Post delivery constipation and anal fissures

[Guest guest]

My daughter is suffering from anal fissures (accompanied with rectal

bleeding) after the delivery of her baby. It is about five months when

it started. She has been taking some Ayurvedic meds and had some

occasional reliefs but no permanent cure. One of the issues that she

needs help is the food that she can eat. She is vegan. She feels that

cow's milk does not suit her, so she takes Soy milk.

 

 

Her diet is mostly liquid,soy milk, spinach soup, smoothie made

from berries, lentil soup, prunes, prune juice. She also takes

magnesium (1000 mg) to keep the stool soft. & nbsp; She also drinks nearly 3-4

liters of water everyday. & nbsp; She is currently nursing her baby and does

not want to take any harsh medication that may prevent her from

nursing. & nbsp; She has been diligently doing sitz baths at least 2-3 times a

day for up to 20 mins.

 

 

 

I am looking for any helpful suggestions at this point. & nbsp; The doctors

are recommending a LIS (Lateral Internal Sphincterectomy) at this

point. & nbsp; We want to exhaust all options before the surgery.

 

 

 

Regards.

 

 

 

Tulu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

There is a particular herb, Da Huang (Rz. et. Rx. Rhei) that is often used

for constipation, it is also one of the very few herbs that I know of that

actually can get into the mother's milk, so she may want to avoid that one.

 

Other than that, I would look at herbal formulas that nourish the blood and

lubricate the intestines. childbirth taxes a woman's blood/jing, but also

the fact that she's not eating red meat, she may be anemic, and even if that

doesn't show up in a blood test, she may still have what TCM would consider

a blood deficiency.

 

Is her tongue more pale that then men of the house? That would support the

blood deficiency thought.

 

One formula for that brand of constipation (which would also include hard

stools) is called Wu Ren Tang which translates to " five seed decoction " . If

you can track down a customized version, consider adding dang gui (Rx.

Angelica Sinensis), which will help nourish her blood.

 

Dang gui (aka dong quai) is also used for wounds that are slow to heal, ala

her anal fissures. They may be due to large, hard poop, or that plus the

underlying blood deficiency (if that indeed is the case).

 

-al.

 

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:05 AM, tulu 489 <tulu489 wrote:

 

> My daughter is suffering from anal fissures (accompanied with rectal

> bleeding) after the delivery of her baby. It is about five months when it

> started. She has been taking some Ayurvedic meds and had some occasional

> reliefs but no permanent cure. One of the issues that she needs help is the

> food that she can eat. She is vegan. She feels that cow's milk does not suit

> her, so she takes Soy milk.

>

> Her diet is mostly liquid,soy milk, spinach soup, smoothie made from

> berries, lentil soup, prunes, prune juice. She also takes magnesium (1000

> mg) to keep the stool soft. & nbsp; She also drinks nearly 3-4 liters of water

> everyday. & nbsp; She is currently nursing her baby and does not want to take

> any harsh medication that may prevent her from nursing. & nbsp; She has been

> diligently doing sitz baths at least 2-3 times a day for up to 20 mins.

>

> I am looking for any helpful suggestions at this point. & nbsp; The doctors

> are recommending a LIS (Lateral Internal Sphincterectomy) at this

> point. & nbsp; We want to exhaust all options before the surgery.

>

> Regards.

>

> Tulu

>

 

 

 

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

A bit more on what Al said. He can add clarification to let you know how much

dang gui to use. Dang gui is a good blood tonic for women. It can be bought

as chunks of dried root which is the way I bought mine. You can find it in

many ordinary Chinese or Oriental grocery stores that are fairly well

stocked. If your daughter makes soups, she can add a piece of dang gui to the

soup at the beginning & when the soup is ready, the root piece will be soft

enough to mash & mix into the soup. I don't mind the taste at all - find it

rather pleasant, if a bit unusual. Al could let you know how big a piece to

use & how often to use it.

 

I wanted to mention too that spinach may not be a good green to use while

she's nursing. Spinach is high in oxalic acid & some other oxalates. It binds

calcium into an insoluble form & it exits the body via stools. Too much

spinach can exacerbate constipation because of the insoluble oxalates formed.

 

Being a vegan limits her diet some but other protein sources are available. If

she can eat nuts, I'd suggest including ground nuts & seeds (almonds, pecans,

peanuts - although not a nut technically - cashews, sesame, etc) for more

protein. And when finely ground, their fibre shouldn't be hard on her system.

Soy milk is still primarily water. Could she include some more legumes/dal in

her diet? If she feels their fibre is harsh, breads or biscuits could be made

with diff mixed flours (including wheat) that would also provide more

calories & protein. There are many plant based gums (guar gum, carrageenan,

agar, pectin, locust bean gum, etc) that form a smooth soft gel that adds

some bulk but are also very gentle to the GI system. Slippery elm bark powder

is also healing & soothing. All can be used as part of a diet or added to

food. These are termed fermentable soluble fibres.

 

I think adding a good flora culture (probiotic mix) will help ease her pain &

reduce inflammation. They do NOT all need milk sugar to work. Many of these

will use the soluble fibres listed above as a food source too. Wikipedia

lists a number of them (although most are listed in dairy products but can be

bought as dairy free capsules at a health food store.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probiotic

 

Has your daughter looked over some vegan sites that may help her with diet &

nutrition? Nursing can take a lot out of a mother & it's hard to keep up milk

production if her protein & calorie intake is insufficient although I

sympathize with her problems. It can affect the quality of her milk she's

feeding her baby.

 

Here's 2 sites that addresses protein & calcium, both vital for her at this

time. http://vegkitchen.com/tips/protein.htm

http://vegkitchen.com/tips/calcium.htm

And here are 2 sites for vegans about nutrition. The 1st also has lots of

recipes. http://www.nutrition.for-vegans.co.uk/

http://www.vegansociety.com/food/nutrition/

She may already know a lot of this but a brush-up on nutrition may be helpful.

 

I know this isn't strictly TCM, other than the info on dang gui, but I hope it

can help her some.

 

Judy

 

On Saturday 24 May 2008 10:05:03 am tulu 489 wrote:

> My daughter is suffering from anal fissures (accompanied with rectal

> bleeding) after the delivery of her baby. It is about five months when it

> started. She has been taking some Ayurvedic meds and had some occasional

> reliefs but no permanent cure. One of the issues that she needs help is the

> food that she can eat. She is vegan. She feels that cow's milk does not

> suit her, so she takes Soy milk.

>

> Her diet is mostly liquid,soy milk, spinach soup, smoothie made from

> berries, lentil soup, prunes, prune juice. She also takes magnesium (1000

> mg) to keep the stool soft. & nbsp; She also drinks nearly 3-4 liters of

> water everyday. & nbsp; She is currently nursing her baby and does not want

> to take any harsh medication that may prevent her from nursing. & nbsp; She

> has been diligently doing sitz baths at least 2-3 times a day for up to 20

> mins.

>

> I am looking for any helpful suggestions at this point. & nbsp; The doctors

> are recommending a LIS (Lateral Internal Sphincterectomy) at this

> point. & nbsp; We want to exhaust all options before the surgery.

>

> Regards.

>

> Tulu

[Guest guest]

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Judy Wilkins <isomorphix wrote:

 

> If your daughter makes soups, she can add a piece of dang gui to the

> soup at the beginning & when the soup is ready, the root piece will be soft

> enough to mash & mix into the soup. I don't mind the taste at all - find it

> rather pleasant, if a bit unusual. Al could let you know how big a piece to

> use & how often to use it.

 

 

Dang gui is commonly used in cooking, yes. It may be a new taste, but it is

pretty good in a chicken soup. Just a slab (dried slice) or two is all you

need, but your taste buds will tell you more. And while you're thinking

about chicken soup, if you have an Asian grocery store around, you may be

able to locate some " black chicken " (named for its black skin, not feathers)

which is often used as a post-partum blood tonic. Add some dang gui and gou

qi zi (aka " gou ji " berries) and you've got a great soup. You might be able

to get gou qi zi much cheaper than the " gou ji " berries since the former is

just a typical Chinese food product/medicinal herb, while " gou ji " is a

miracle cure for everything under the sun, including sunburn. ha.

 

I wanted to mention too that spinach may not be a good green to use while

> she's nursing. Spinach is high in oxalic acid & some other oxalates. It

> binds

> calcium into an insoluble form & it exits the body via stools. Too much

> spinach can exacerbate constipation because of the insoluble oxalates

> formed.

 

 

Just to further muddy up our therapeutic advices here...

 

Spinach is considered a " slippery " food in Chinese culture which makes it

good for constipation, at least according to this theory. Its also a good

source of iron, which I suspect may be missing from the diet in its needed

quantities.

 

So, I guess we can go either way on the spinach thing.

 

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Al Stone " <al wrote:

>

>

> Dang gui is commonly used in cooking, yes. It may be a new taste,

but it is

> pretty good in a chicken soup. Just a slab (dried slice) or two is

all you

> need, but your taste buds will tell you more. And while you're thinking

> about chicken soup, if you have an Asian grocery store around, you

may be

> able to locate some " black chicken " (named for its black skin, not

feathers)

> which is often used as a post-partum blood tonic.

 

Hi. The new mother is a vegan and won't eat chicken soup, unless she

is willing to be flexible. I ate a nondairy veg. diet & occ'l herring

prior to getting pregnant, but I just knew I was expecting when I

developed a hell of a craving for dairy products, esp. in the form of

pizza. And so I went with it. If I had desired a 16 ounce steak I

would have consumed that, also, regardless of how I may have wished to

avoid slaughterhouse products. I don't believe in suffering (hey, Al,

you claim it's optional) for the sake of decisions made under

different (i.e, nonpregnancy) circumstances. (And now I will eat

anything I want, anything at all, and have still not desired any meat!

Amazing. All these decades.)

 

I hope that this woman will include some animal products in her diet,

for the sake of her immediate and long-term health and the health of

her child. The child needs DHA (essential fatty acid), obtainable

from mother's milk; this can be obtained from certain kinds of algae,

if she does not want to eat salmon or herring. I don't see this as a

simple matter of anal fissures/constipation. There is a bigger picture.

>

[Guest guest]

Try low carb bars, those protein bars you see. Get one with malitol as the

first ingredient. It is similar to sorbital, which is used in hospitals for

constipation. I think she should check with the doctor. Does she have back

problems too- if so, she would have to tell the doc that. Malitol may give her

cramps, too.

 

tulu 489 <tulu489 wrote: My daughter is suffering from anal

fissures (accompanied with rectal

bleeding) after the delivery of her baby. It is about five months when

it started. She has been taking some Ayurvedic meds and had some

occasional reliefs but no permanent cure. One of the issues that she

needs help is the food that she can eat. She is vegan. She feels that

cow's milk does not suit her, so she takes Soy milk.

 

Her diet is mostly liquid,soy milk, spinach soup, smoothie made

from berries, lentil soup, prunes, prune juice. She also takes

magnesium (1000 mg) to keep the stool soft. & nbsp; She also drinks nearly 3-4

liters of water everyday. & nbsp; She is currently nursing her baby and does

not want to take any harsh medication that may prevent her from

nursing. & nbsp; She has been diligently doing sitz baths at least 2-3 times a

day for up to 20 mins.

 

I am looking for any helpful suggestions at this point. & nbsp; The doctors

are recommending a LIS (Lateral Internal Sphincterectomy) at this

point. & nbsp; We want to exhaust all options before the surgery.

 

Regards.

 

Tulu

 

 

[Guest guest]

Tulu,

 

I would say for the anal fissures that Chlorophyll Complex Ointment

from Standard Process, applied either topically or even into the

rectum could have wonderfully healing effects. (Please note that this

product is the only chlorophyll product that I am aware of that is

*fat* soluable, which is the way that chlorophyll occurs in nature.

All of the products that I have seen at so-called health food stores

is water-soluable, and basically useless for this purpose.)

 

A case study that I am aware of involved a woman who had an internal

ulcer for a few years that would not heal, and she did not want to go

the surgical route. The ulcer did heal with the ointment and she is

fine.

 

You can contact me at the email address if you have trouble finding

the ointment.

 

Scott

http://www.BrightVibe.com

scott

 

, tulu 489 <tulu489

wrote:

>

> My daughter is suffering from anal fissures (accompanied with rectal

> bleeding) after the delivery of her baby. It is about five months

when

> it started. She has been taking some Ayurvedic meds and had some

> occasional reliefs but no permanent cure. One of the issues that she

> needs help is the food that she can eat. She is vegan. She feels

that

> cow's milk does not suit her, so she takes Soy milk.

>

>

> Her diet is mostly liquid,soy milk, spinach soup, smoothie made

> from berries, lentil soup, prunes, prune juice. She also takes

> magnesium (1000 mg) to keep the stool soft. & nbsp; She also drinks

nearly 3-4

> liters of water everyday. & nbsp; She is currently nursing her baby

and does

> not want to take any harsh medication that may prevent her from

> nursing. & nbsp; She has been diligently doing sitz baths at least 2-

3 times a

> day for up to 20 mins.

>

>

>

> I am looking for any helpful suggestions at this point. & nbsp; The

doctors

> are recommending a LIS (Lateral Internal Sphincterectomy) at this

> point. & nbsp; We want to exhaust all options before the surgery.

>

>

>

> Regards.

>

>

>

> Tulu

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

I had a similar problem having hemorrhoids and constipation for months

both of which seemed to be better with chiropractic care (when the

lower spine is misaligned it can lead to constipation and

hemorrhoids.) My only advice for dieting is lots of fiber and fruits

(which retain a lot of water so shouldn't make digestion harder) I

wound up with bad diarrhea and rectal bleeding at 8 months while still

nursing and was given a suppository topical anti-inflammatory. (2x a

day for 4 days) And after that I felt much, much better. I just

looked up a few homeopathic cures for rectal bleeding and constipation

and they can be found here: http://74.95.82.237:591/boericke/FMPro

 

I hope this helps you.

 

Sincerely,

Bonnie

 

PS: Feel free to e-mail me with any other questions or research you

come across. I'm not a nosy person but I am interested out of concern

with your daughters situation so feel free to keep me informed as well.

 

 

, tulu 489 <tulu489 wrote:

>

> My daughter is suffering from anal fissures (accompanied with rectal

> bleeding) after the delivery of her baby. It is about five months when

> it started. She has been taking some Ayurvedic meds and had some

> occasional reliefs but no permanent cure. One of the issues that she

> needs help is the food that she can eat. She is vegan. She feels that

> cow's milk does not suit her, so she takes Soy milk.

>

>

> Her diet is mostly liquid,soy milk, spinach soup, smoothie made

> from berries, lentil soup, prunes, prune juice. She also takes

> magnesium (1000 mg) to keep the stool soft. & nbsp; She also drinks

nearly 3-4

> liters of water everyday. & nbsp; She is currently nursing her baby

and does

> not want to take any harsh medication that may prevent her from

> nursing. & nbsp; She has been diligently doing sitz baths at least 2-3

times a

> day for up to 20 mins.

>

>

>

> I am looking for any helpful suggestions at this point. & nbsp; The

doctors

> are recommending a LIS (Lateral Internal Sphincterectomy) at this

> point. & nbsp; We want to exhaust all options before the surgery.

>

>

>

> Regards.

>

>

>

> Tulu

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

give her homoeo medicine, Collinsonia - 200c 3 to 4 drops daily during bed time

for a month and keep giving her laxative foods.

If need be she can continue the medicine.

 

Dr. Subrata Das

 

 

: tulu489: Sat, 24 May

2008 10:06:47 -0700 Post delivery constipation and

anal fissures

 

 

 

 

My daughter is suffering from anal fissures (accompanied with rectalbleeding)

after the delivery of her baby. It is about five months whenit started. She has

been taking some Ayurvedic meds and had someoccasional reliefs but no permanent

cure. One of the issues that sheneeds help is the food that she can eat. She is

vegan. She feels thatcow's milk does not suit her, so she takes Soy milk.Her

diet is mostly liquid,soy milk, spinach soup, smoothie madefrom berries, lentil

soup, prunes, prune juice. She also takesmagnesium (1000 mg) to keep the stool

soft. & nbsp; She also drinks nearly 3-4liters of water everyday. & nbsp; She is

currently nursing her baby and doesnot want to take any harsh medication that

may prevent her fromnursing. & nbsp; She has been diligently doing sitz baths at

least 2-3 times aday for up to 20 mins.I am looking for any helpful suggestions

at this point. & nbsp; The doctorsare recommending a LIS (Lateral Internal

Sphincterectomy) at thispoint. & nbsp; We want to exhaust all options before the

surgery.Regards.Tulu

[Guest guest]

Please consider Sangre de Drago, topically.

 

I found this in my extensive file on this herb:

 

Anal Fissures

 

A few weeks ago a massage therapist friend of mine asked me for a

bottle of Sangre de Drago for one of her clients. A few weeks later

she told me that her client, a lovely woman in her earlier 60s,

completely eliminated anal fissures by topical use of the Sangre de

Drago.

 

Eve R,

Olympic Peninsula, WA

 

Sangre de Drago may well be the most concentrated wound healer

in the world. And no side effects except good ones.

It is like having a first aid kit in a one ounce bottle.

Can be found at:

 

http://wildhealing.net

[Guest guest]

i would suggest she uses slippery elm-either in tea or as tablet-if she has nort

tried it as a tea before---tell her to buy a small amount to make into a tea and

buy a pack of tabs-----the tea is slimmy and used with honey and or cinnamon and

honey or sugar to sweeten-the slimmy texture takes some getting use to but will

help at least line the gut-she will need about 6 cups per day- taken at even

intervalls to ensure the gut is protected--- it is rich in calcium as well.

pressed block of figs will help to keep the stool soft-cut a slice off each day,

also rosehip tea -to aid in healling for vit c------the other man Scott

suggested an ointment which sounds good, -perhaps you could use a buck wheat

sprout anal douche but i would look into that more first-- scarless healing

ointment on the exterior of the anus would help too, she'll only need to put a

smear on morning and night and after using the loo if she wipes it off----the

ointment contains calangella, hypericum

and compfrey-all natural healing herbs---there are a couple on the

market-i've used a couple and found them much the same -rosa's is a good

one----ulcers-there are 2 kinds that i am aware of-----one is caused by a

certain bacteria.... she may need to see a homeopath to get something that will

kill that bacteria--------depends on the type-otherwise if she is strict with

the slippery elm it will get rid of one type of ulcer. it will take 16 weeks but

she can't miss one day as the acid will eat back into the ulcer opening it up

again-- she may have have to see a doc and find out which sort of ulcer it

is-paww paw ointment on the exterior is also helpfull--i used this on my

nipples when breast feeding ot lanolin which many women used-i was worried as

sheep get dipped into poisons and was unsure if it was in the lanolin.--just a

tip. She must look into her diet---most vegetarians have absolutely no idea of

how to balance a diet---- they think if they eat plenty of fruit

and vegs they'll be right----- they must understand how foods work with each

other and know how many proteins are in the protein foods as meat has so

many----say 9 proteins (JUST GUESSING ) and some lentels have 4 or 5 and other

beans may have another 3 or 4 so a mix of certain proteins can only give you

the right balance as ech protein has a certain role to play-------- some foods

s with iron in it can not be absorbed unless you have vit c as well as it needs

vit c to help it to be absorbed-etc every one should learn about their diet

and look at suppliments too--some suppliments also can't be absorbed

readily-it takes alot of reading and years to learn but if she wants to bring

a child up as a vegetarian she needs to know heaps.