Soy Debate

[Guest guest]

Hmmm....

I found this very interesting! Soy is going back in my diet. Not eating

processed foods of course.

 

Tammy

 

 

 

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soy_ (http://www.womentowomen.com/nutritionandweightloss/soycontroversy.aspx?)

 

 

 

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yay for my wonderful breakfast smoothie!

 

tammyco5 wrote: Hmmm....

I found this very interesting! Soy is going back in my diet. Not eating

processed foods of course.

 

Tammy

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Just like the article says soy has been used by millions but more like billions

of people for a significant part of human history. There are always reasons why

a particular person or group of people should not eat a particular food. I have

a friend who is at high risk for breast cancer and was told to avoid soy. The

reality is that plant based proteins are the best type of food, and a plant

based diet is the best type of diet. It will not totally prevent you from

getting things like cancer or heart disease as there are more factors than diet

involved. But even when diagnosed with something like heart disease you will do

much better on a plant based diet. I am living proof of that.

 

Richard

 

Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.

 

---Pema Chödrön

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

When I read the beginning of the link about soy my brain jumped a beat when

she wrote about soy interferring with Tamoxifin. I would have a hard time

with any advice from an expert who wrote those words. Tamoxifin should be

off the market and I sit and wait for a class-action lawsuit. I know soy is

controversial but I also know that Salley Fallon's work speaks of

traditional fermented soy being ok it is all the processed soy on the market

that WAPF has issue with like soy milk for example. I think anyone would be

hard pressed to find a traditional culture drinking soy milk and soy based

protein bars.

 

Gwen

[Guest guest]

I totally agree wit you.

 

Rena

 

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" RNR " <rnr4biz

 

Saturday, May 10, 2008 11:49 AM

Re:Soy Debate

 

 

Just like the article says soy has been used by millions but more like

billions of people for a significant part of human history. There are

always reasons why a particular person or group of people should not eat a

particular food. I have a friend who is at high risk for breast cancer and

was told to avoid soy. The reality is that plant based proteins are the

best type of food, and a plant based diet is the best type of diet. It will

not totally prevent you from getting things like cancer or heart disease as

there are more factors than diet involved. But even when diagnosed with

something like heart disease you will do much better on a plant based diet.

I am living proof of that.

 

Richard

 

Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.

 

---Pema Chödrön

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Soy (and the curd of soy beans, tofu) is full of protein, but its also full

of phytoestrogens. Soy and tofu products are really good for you if

fermented so there are no phytoestrogens to interfere with your body's

endrocrine system. For men, estrogen levels will rise in the blood eating

non-fermented soy/tofu products, including drink mixes with soy isolate

protein. Man boobs, anyone? For women, same thing, which will cause

estrogen dominance (beyond nutsy pms women like my mom was). fermented

soy/tofu products are soy sauce (get the better tamari versions, or better

yet, just use bragg's aminos instead), tempeh, miso. Google dr john lee for

more information regarding this sort of thing, particularly if it pertains

to women in peri or menopause.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't believe one article, that is part of the reduction of the

population.. to give the audience what they want to hear.. the research

shows that SOY is terrible for the human body unless it is fermented..

 

 

 

I would research it in more detail before jumping on the SOY bandwagon, so

causes estrogen and hormonal issues, not including it strips the calcium

from your bones..

 

 

 

Take care.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

The making of soy milk is pretty basic as I make my own and also buy it. The

only thing that has really changed is the filtering of the sediment one gets

with " more traditional " soy milk and it comes in a carton or plastic container.

I buy one with some added extras but they are supplements I already take like

calcium, Flax Oil, Vitamin D, B vitamins, Folic Acid, etc., which have nothing

to do with the original soy but are for those who want added supplements.

 

Fermented soy products are only a small part of the soy eaten in Asian cultures.

For one thing many are very high in sodium like Miso,Tamari,fermented tofu,

etc., which one would not find in a " natural diet " . I don't think anyone is

going to find over a thousand milligrams of sodium in a tablespoon of natural

food and for good reason. Tofu or bean curd is made from soy milk and is

basically a curdled concentrated form of soy milk using calcium carbonate to

curdle the soy milk which then is pressed into a block. Having made my own tofu

I am aware of the process. So what you are getting is a concentrated solid form

of soy milk. Tofu in its many variations and forms is a big staple in Asian

countries so I fail to see the difference between soy milk and tofu. Textured

vegetable protein used in many " soy burgers " and other products is just dried or

freeze dried tofu.

 

Richard

 

Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.

 

---Pema Chödrön

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Asian men and women have been eating soy, tofu included for centuries without

any harmful effects. Asian cultures have had the least amount of obesity and a

greatest longevity for quite some time. If soy were such a horrible thing we

would see a cause and effect in Asian cultures. Fermented soy is used in

moderation. Most of it is incredibly high in sodium which is not naturally

found in foods. The sodium is added. As far as Bragg's Aminos, my blood

pressure just rose looking at the sodium content. No where in nature do you

find such a high sodium content in food and for good reason.

 

Richard

 

Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.

 

---Pema Chödrön

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

SoyBeans are a good food if eaten in moderation;they are just

legumes;since they do contain phytoestorgens alternative with brw.rice

Soybeans have an extremely high nutritional content when analyzed.

 

Soybeans are also high in Choline/Lecithin which metabolizes fats.

 

Soybeans also have Isoflavonoids which help prevent osteopenia. a.-

In , " RNR " <rnr4biz wrote:

>

> Asian men and women have been eating soy, tofu included for

centuries without any harmful effects. Asian cultures have had the

least amount of obesity and a greatest longevity for quite some

time. If soy were such a horrible thing we would see a cause and

effect in Asian cultures. Fermented soy is used in moderation. Most

of it is incredibly high in sodium which is not naturally found in

foods. The sodium is added. As far as Bragg's Aminos, my blood

pressure just rose looking at the sodium content. No where in nature

do you find such a high sodium content in food and for good reason.

>

> Richard

>

> Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.

>

> ---Pema

Chödrön

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

People in asian countries do not consume anywhere near the tofu the junk

Chinese restaurants in the u.s. has you consuming here. They consume more

fermented soy products there. For one example, 'chinese restaurants " here

are nothing like Chinese restaurants in china. I never said soy is a

horrible thing. It's a pretty wonderful thing, it's a food, its clothing,

they are even making automobiles from it, google it. But you got it the

other way around, son, fermented soy traditionally was used more than

unfermented soy in asian countries, here it's the other way around.

 

 

 

On Behalf Of RNR

Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:47 PM

 

Re: Soy Debate

 

Asian men and women have been eating soy, tofu included for centuries

without any harmful effects. Asian cultures have had the least amount of

obesity and a greatest longevity for quite some time. If soy were such a

horrible thing we would see a cause and effect in Asian cultures. Fermented

soy is used in moderation. Most of it is incredibly high in sodium which is

not naturally found in foods. The sodium is added. As far as Bragg's

Aminos, my blood pressure just rose looking at the sodium content. No where

in nature do you find such a high sodium content in food and for good

reason.

[Guest guest]

I imagine that if soy is so bad and detrimental to human health, people in Japan

and other Asian countries would be really sick. However, this is not so.

I strongly believe in moderation and variation.

 

Rena

 

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Wani

Monday, May 12, 2008 12:52 PM

Re: Soy Debate

 

 

I wouldn't believe one article, that is part of the reduction of the

population.. to give the audience what they want to hear.. the research

shows that SOY is terrible for the human body unless it is fermented..

 

I would research it in more detail before jumping on the SOY bandwagon, so

causes estrogen and hormonal issues, not including it strips the calcium

from your bones..

 

Take care.

 

[Guest guest]

I heard from a homeopathic doctor, that the reason we have trouble

with soy products here in USA and they don't in Asia, is because of

the way we process it here. It takes out the nutritional value.

 

, " RNR " <rnr4biz wrote:

>

> Asian men and women have been eating soy, tofu included for

centuries without any harmful effects. Asian cultures have had the

least amount of obesity and a greatest longevity for quite some

time. If soy were such a horrible thing we would see a cause and

effect in Asian cultures. Fermented soy is used in moderation.

Most of it is incredibly high in sodium which is not naturally found

in foods. The sodium is added. As far as Bragg's Aminos, my blood

pressure just rose looking at the sodium content. No where in

nature do you find such a high sodium content in food and for good

reason.

>

> Richard

>

> Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.

>

> ---Pema

Chödrön

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Why is it that nobody is mentioning the fact that most soy now is genetically

modified????? The biggest gentically modified crop is in fact soy!!!!!! If you

all want that stuff in you go right ahead and eat all that processed and

genetically modified soy...personally I don't want to put anything in my body

that I know is GM. After all, the studies so far on any modified crop does not

look promising as far as health goes. Just something to think about and realize

that the " bad things " in soy are far less dangerous than the fact it is GM.

 

Marci

 

 

[Guest guest]

I know many people from Asia and have discussed this with them. They would very

much disagree. The Chinese store I shop in is owned and run by Chinese who

almost exclusively sell to other Asians. I rarely if ever see a non

Asian shopping there. They have a multitude of soy products as well as wheat

gluten products. I find it hard to believe they would be selling products they

don't use.

 

Edible soy for them is more than tofu and soy milk. I think Asians would know

best what they eat or don't eat, and the ones I know use a lot of soy as a

complement to the rest of their food. But like most cultures as the economies

improve meat becomes a bigger and bigger part of their diet. I agree with Rena,

everything in moderation. Again, fermented soy products tend to be incredibly

high in sodium and relatively low in protein content so I am hard pressed to

find any outstanding health benefits. Many have mentioned Bragg's Aminos but

1/4 teaspoon has about 150 mg. sodium and no complete protein. You can get lots

of Amino acids from other sources without the high sodium.

 

We can carry this debate on forever. People tend to believe what they want to

believe with or without the research.

 

Richard

 

Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.

 

---Pema Chödrön