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In the Master Herbalist program, David Christopher talks about chronic

fatigue is related to a candida overgrowth.

 

Marisa

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God put Adam and Eve in a Garden NOT a Pharmacy!

 

 

 

 

 

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> Andrea [andreadancingunicorn]

> Thursday, September 30, 2004 10:47 PM

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> Herbal Remedies - Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

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> Hi Everyone,

> I just joined your group and I was wondering if anyone had any

> information for chronic fatigue syndrome and what herbs would help as

> my 18 year old daughter has it and she still after 3 years has days

> where she doesn't have any energy.

> Thankyou!

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> Andrea

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Hi Elizabeth,

 

Excellent on your decision!

 

I definitely would do the Total Body Cleanse as a first action. I'm sure others will have additional suggestions :-)

 

Lisa

 

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epdeans1

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Thursday, November 04, 2004 8:33 PM

Herbal Remedies - Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

Hello. I think that I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. I am literally tired all the time. I try to eat well and get adequate sleep but it is like I can never catch up. I have decided once and for all I want to get a hold on this even if that means making very radical motifications and changes in everything about me. I do not want to go to a doctor who will start me on medications. I want to start to build my body up naturally. I will give any of my changes a year and then seek traditional doctors. Can anyone please help me come up with a plan or resources that I may try to help myself? I am tired of being tired. Thanks and I can not wait to hear from you guys. I know that you can help me help myself.Elizabeth ______________Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95.Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com!Look for special offers at Best Buy stores.

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You probably have candidias. A yeast cleanse would do you good. The reason

MD's don't tell you about this is that candidias can be caused by overusing

antibiotics. I should tell you that when you are in the cleanse you will get

VERY fatigued. As the yeast dies it tries to survive by causing sugar

cravings (that's what it lives off of and you will want to avoid it during

and right after the cleanse) and massive fatigue.

You might also be anemic. Something worthwhile iron wise can fix that.

-Shelby

 

P.S. I know I can't spell candidias.

 

 

epdeans1 [epdeans1]

Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:33 PM

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Herbal Remedies - Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

 

 

 

 

 

Hello. I think that I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. I am literally tired

all the time. I try to eat well and get adequate sleep but it is like I can

never catch up. I have decided once and for all I want to get a hold on this

even if that means making very radical motifications and changes in

everything about me.

 

I do not want to go to a doctor who will start me on medications. I want to

start to build my body up naturally. I will give any of my changes a year

and then seek traditional doctors.

 

Can anyone please help me come up with a plan or resources that I may try to

help myself? I am tired of being tired.

 

Thanks and I can not wait to hear from you guys. I know that you can help me

help myself.

 

Elizabeth

 

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my first question is ..Have you had your thyroid checked...

hypothyroidism is a big fatigue culpurate

 

 

hugs

Deana

 

epdeans1 wrote:

 

>

>

> Hello. I think that I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. I am literally

> tired all the time. I try to eat well and get adequate sleep but it is

> like I can never catch up. I have decided once and for all I want to

> get a hold on this even if that means making very radical

> motifications and changes in everything about me.

>

> I do not want to go to a doctor who will start me on medications. I

> want to start to build my body up naturally. I will give any of my

> changes a year and then seek traditional doctors.

>

> Can anyone please help me come up with a plan or resources that I may

> try to help myself? I am tired of being tired.

>

> Thanks and I can not wait to hear from you guys. I know that you can

> help me help myself.

>

> Elizabeth

>

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I have suspected for some time that I have a yeast problem as I have

every single symptom. Where can I find the yeast cleanse? I looked

throught the files and couldn't find anything.

 

> You probably have candidias. A yeast cleanse would do you good. The

> P.S. I know I can't spell candidias.

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Well, I have something called " Yeast Fighters " . You take these capsuls for 6

weeks. I found them at my local health food store.

-Shelby

 

P.S. You can't have much sugar while on these as it will feed the yeast.

 

 

Cheryl [originalskin54]

Monday, November 08, 2004 8:37 AM

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Re: Herbal Remedies - Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

 

 

 

 

 

I have suspected for some time that I have a yeast problem as I have

every single symptom. Where can I find the yeast cleanse? I looked

throught the files and couldn't find anything.

 

> You probably have candidias. A yeast cleanse would do you good. The

> P.S. I know I can't spell candidias.

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I am 55 years old .I have fatigue .I eat well all natural foods ,no

beef no fat.

Could you please help me to overcome my fatigue.

Thanks for all.

Eimo

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<<<I am 55 years old .I have fatigue .I eat well all natural foods ,no

beef no fat.

Could you please help me to overcome my fatigue.

Thanks for all.

Eimo>>>

 

Hello Eimo,

That in itself may be part of your problem. If you are eating a low fat diet you

are not supplying your body with the essential fuel it needs for energy. This

will contribute to fatigue. You may also be low on vitamin b-12 if you are

skimping on animal sources of protein, which also contributes to fatigue.

 

Dee

 

 

 

 

 

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I am sorry about your illness. I would reconsider your position on

fat. Experts say that there are healthy and unhealthy fats, not all

fat is bad. You may find this information interesting:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-

and-cholesterol/index.html

 

With respect to fatigue, it has been shown in several studies that

moderate cooling, such as a gradual cold shower or a cold bath can

reduce fatigue. One researcher also recently proposed to treat CFS

using twice daily adapted cold showers:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17958903

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15253480

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13985984

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/5246975

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18058595

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11879418

 

 

, " eimo53 " <eimo53

wrote:

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> I am 55 years old .I have fatigue .I eat well all natural foods ,no

> beef no fat.

> Could you please help me to overcome my fatigue.

> Thanks for all.

> Eimo

>

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Hi craiggers_985:

Thanks alot these are valuable infos.do You think that Magneto

therapy may improve Chronic Fatigue . I found some sites advising it.

I need your openion specially because iam Hepatic with Hepatitis C

for 10 years.

Thanks in advance for your kind reply.

Eimo

eimo53

 

 

, " craiggers_985 "

<cata1laxi5 wrote:

>

> I am sorry about your illness. I would reconsider your position on

> fat. Experts say that there are healthy and unhealthy fats, not all

> fat is bad. You may find this information interesting:

> http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-

eat/fats-

> and-cholesterol/index.html

>

> With respect to fatigue, it has been shown in several studies that

> moderate cooling, such as a gradual cold shower or a cold bath can

> reduce fatigue. One researcher also recently proposed to treat CFS

> using twice daily adapted cold showers:

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17958903

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15253480

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13985984

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/5246975

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18058595

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11879418

>

>

> , " eimo53 " <eimo53@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I am 55 years old .I have fatigue .I eat well all natural

foods ,no

> > beef no fat.

> > Could you please help me to overcome my fatigue.

> > Thanks for all.

> > Eimo

> >

>

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-In order for the cells to repair themselves, you do need some fat.

do not eat anything that says " no fat " " low fat " or reduced fat. Eat

only real food. Do not eat margerine, use butter. Take ashwaganda

capsules and Fo-Ti capsules ( He shou wu is the Chinese name for it).

Ashwaganda is the Ayurvedic herb and Fo-ti is the Chinese herb.

Ashwaganda means frisky horse and Fo-Ti is rejuvenating, anti aging.--

Love, Cecile

___________________

In , " Donna Anne Masi "

<FantasyDollsByD wrote:

>

> <<<I am 55 years old .I have fatigue .I eat well all natural

foods ,no

> beef no fat.

> Could you please help me to overcome my fatigue.

> Thanks for all.

> Eimo>>>

>

> Hello Eimo,

> That in itself may be part of your problem. If you are eating a low

fat diet you are not supplying your body with the essential fuel it

needs for energy. This will contribute to fatigue. You may also be

low on vitamin b-12 if you are skimping on animal sources of protein,

which also contributes to fatigue.

>

> Dee

>

>

>

>

>

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Chronic fatigue could come from any number of problems from emotional,

dietary, disease, lack of exercise, etc. Lets assume that:

 

1. You don't suffer from any nutritional deficiencies

2. You are active or at least don't lead an entirely sedentary life

style and

3. You are not depressed or ill in any way

 

These are HUGE assumptions. But if the above is true, there is a good

chance you simply have a blockage of energy flow through your body.

Before going to a doctor and having them run all kinds of tests and put

you on all types of medications, please do the following.

 

1. Go see an accupuncturist. They can often clear up blockages in

just a few visits.

 

2. Take up a hobby that will cultivate your internal energies and

clear energy blockages such as Chi Kung or Tai Chi.

 

If you choose to follow my advice, I would love for you to report back

your results.

 

Good luck!

 

 

, " eimo53 " <eimo53 wrote:

>

> I am 55 years old .I have fatigue .I eat well all natural foods ,no

> beef no fat.

> Could you please help me to overcome my fatigue.

> Thanks for all.

> Eimo

>

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you have fatigue because your body has to break down your muscle mass because

you aren't giving it any fat. stick with mono unsaturated fats like nuts,

olives, dark chocolate, and avacados.

 

much love in Christ,

sara 22/f/WI

 

Donna Anne Masi <FantasyDollsByD wrote:

<<<I am 55 years old .I have fatigue .I eat well all natural foods ,no

beef no fat.

Could you please help me to overcome my fatigue.

Thanks for all.

Eimo>>>

 

Hello Eimo,

That in itself may be part of your problem. If you are eating a low fat diet

you are not supplying your body with the essential fuel it needs for energy.

This will contribute to fatigue. You may also be low on vitamin b-12 if you are

skimping on animal sources of protein, which also contributes to fatigue.

 

Dee

 

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Fatigue is just another symptom and may derive from different physical,

emotional or environmental causes.

Another possibility is that your liver is not working well.

You even may find the culprit in your environment as certain situations,

relationships and so on can produce depression, fatigue, etc.

Physically speaking, I suggest that you have some lab tests done.

 

Rena

 

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Donna Anne Masi

Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:31 PM

Re:Chronic fatigue syndrome

 

 

<<<I am 55 years old .I have fatigue .I eat well all natural foods ,no

beef no fat.

Could you please help me to overcome my fatigue.

Thanks for all.

Eimo>>>

 

Hello Eimo,

That in itself may be part of your problem. If you are eating a low fat diet

you are not supplying your body with the essential fuel it needs for energy.

This will contribute to fatigue. You may also be low on vitamin b-12 if you are

skimping on animal sources of protein, which also contributes to fatigue.

 

Dee

 

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i do not agree that you should not eat foods that are low or fat free... you

should eat these products when such version is available (cheese, milk, yogurt,

butter, sour cream, pudding, etc), to cut down on your intake of trans and

saturated fats but you need to eat things w/ mono unsaturated fats like olives,

avacados, dark chocolate, and nuts. that way you are saving the fat content in

your diet... which you NEED... for the good fats.

 

much love in Christ,

sara 22/f/WI

 

cecile <RSchl44964 wrote: -In order for the

cells to repair themselves, you do need some fat.

do not eat anything that says " no fat " " low fat " or reduced fat. Eat

only real food. Do not eat margerine, use butter. Take ashwaganda

capsules and Fo-Ti capsules ( He shou wu is the Chinese name for it).

Ashwaganda is the Ayurvedic herb and Fo-ti is the Chinese herb.

Ashwaganda means frisky horse and Fo-Ti is rejuvenating, anti aging.--

Love, Cecile

________

In , " Donna Anne Masi "

<FantasyDollsByD wrote:

>

> <<<I am 55 years old .I have fatigue .I eat well all natural

foods ,no

> beef no fat.

> Could you please help me to overcome my fatigue.

> Thanks for all.

> Eimo>>>

>

> Hello Eimo,

> That in itself may be part of your problem. If you are eating a low

fat diet you are not supplying your body with the essential fuel it

needs for energy. This will contribute to fatigue. You may also be

low on vitamin b-12 if you are skimping on animal sources of protein,

which also contributes to fatigue.

>

> Dee

>

>

>

>

>

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---here are a few ideas now without knowing if your condition is

physical it is hard to say.

so i would recomend you try spiritual /reiki healing

and something which has helped me immensly is earth energy

In AlEarth energy

Without doubt this energy is one of the most profound and beneficial.

Generally speaking we are surrounded by whole structures of

inanimate matter, matter which is lifeless .A few examples would be

concrete brick, dead wood, p laster, carpets, metal radiators,

plastic and that is just the average living room. When we work in

offices it can be just the same in fact a lot of the time we can be

suurounded for a lenghy period with nothing living at all.But some

people farmers forestry people fishermen are surrounded with living

things such as gardens, nice scenery, mountains, rivers lakesor seas.

We generally gain something from these things.

 

This is why so many people retreat to the mountains, lakes, and

seaside to gain sustenance from just being there. Each area has its

own innate energy and you will have noticed some people attracted

with real desire to live near the sea, or the south, north or other

areas. Nearly everyone wishes to have a Mediterranean climate with

loads more sunshine and thousands migrate there each winter.

 

The earth is a living breathing being of immense power and is quite

literally alive and very conscious, many people are engaged in

keeping her in a better state of balance and repairing her of which

in general we know little about.

 

Just think for a moment of the vast number of plants, trees, etc that

spring out from the planet. Literally billions of different life

forms each possessing life force.can you think of anything which

gives such life force . Around her circumference it is approximately

24000miles, she is spinning at over 1000mph and travelling around our

sun at over 66000mph, that is every hour we have moved 66000miles not

to mention our sun and solar system moving in relation to other stars

at a fantastic rate. She also possesses an aura, which is being fed

from the sun, moon planets and stars.

 

Being close to earth can be very interesting and by close what I mean

here is having your back against her and feeling the energy of the

earth from the closeness. Don't feel that the energy is going to hit

you hard, it is far subtler than that.

 

As an experiment try laying on the floor of your average house and

then comparing the feeling you get from laying on the earth on your

average lawn. There is a vast difference.A diference in how it feels

energy wise . Throughout the many trials and tribulations of life

this energy has been one of the keystones which has helped many

people .It provides a lovely sustenance which helps us keep in

balance.It can feed us spiritually too giving us energy , and also

when practised a sence of unity not unlike the feeling when a couple

are hugging each other closely for a good length of time.Yes that

feeling can come from mother earth .Now being people of course male

and female it is quite natural for the male to seek the female and

vice versa because we are half not complete and there is need for

many people to feel unity .IN my experience mother earth can bring

very much a sence of unity or a very special feeling inside of

you .In fact you may feel better for being with her than being in the

company of many people .

 

I cannot think of any medical problem where this energy and sence of

unity would not help and would and recommend that everyone try it

and experience it .

Those with M.E. or any energy problem in particular would be well

advised to try this. Obviously only give yourself just enough ,if you

feel you are slightly irritated after a while I would say this could

be your limit at that time. Like any energy it has to be treated with

respect. This is very much filling our more spiritual natures and I

would love to see more research done with this energy on the many

complaints, which we have to deal with.

 

Very often when camping out much better sleep and a greater sense of

refreshment is experienced even when sleeping on air beds as we are

much closer to the earth .If one was psychic one could possibly see

this energy which would be an entirely new field to explore.

 

Many people will have hugged trees or will have sat with their backs

to trees to experience a different kind of energy. Again caution is

advised here as you are touching a large energy source.Hugging trees

can be fascinating subject and i have found that each tree is

different . it has a different kind of energy , an oak is different

to an ash or a beech .i have never hugged one of the big trees in

america, we might have to be a bit cautious with that as these trees

are truly sacred and the shear physical size of them and consequent

power with them could be overwhelming to some people . Start with

exposures, which are not too long. Pick a decent size tree to start

with a large girth, the older the better.

Give reverence to it as a living thing. It will have seen many

sunrises in its time and many sunsets and felt the wind blow through

its leaves and also the mornings of Jack Frost. People say if that

tree could talk and do you know something -some trees actually do.

Stay with me here for a moment , firstly have a seat under your

favourite tree and I hope we all have a favourite and put your ear to

its trunk and then switch off your self and just listen to the tree

and do this for at least 10 mins. What did you feel from this

experience? I am certainly not going to pre-empt your own

experience's just to tell you that if you did that often enough you

will experience something intriguing.

 

Just to let you know I have my own tent on the back garden all year

round and regularly go in it to feel refreshed .not every night but

it is much more beneficial than my bedroom stuck in a house

surrounded by dead matter .You see underneath the stars ,with birds

singing In the morning .fresher air , living closer to nature you

will naturally feel better etc

 

as an addon to this a simple meditation will help you attune yourself

to mothiper earth and start to develop your relationship with her.

did i say relationship, yes thats right for when you are attuned to

her you will have formed a link a relationship between you and

mother earth .Find a nice spot where you will not be disturbed andif

its dry lay on the grass but if not a simple sheet will do, get

comfortable relax now what id o i picture the centre of the earth and

say in my mind join with the spirit of the earth and send down a beam

from you through the thousands miles of rock untill you reach the

centre of her hold yourself there and feel , athis point i often feel

connected often my body relaxes even more and i start to feel joined

in unity and a feeling of energy fills me .a good idea is to send

love to her and thankfullness for she gives so much , this will

strengen the bond even more .be receptive to what you feel in

return .Hold these loving connection for s long as you want for some

this will be a few minutes for others perhaps half an hour will have

passed

..when you are ready you can return by coming up that chord or beam

and returning and grounding yourself within your body.

now you may or may not have experienced something in your consious.

this depends on how consiously aware you are . but subconsiously you

will have certainly felt something .What you expereinced from this

may very well depend to a large degree on how well you are connected

to your subconsious.

 

There is obviously much much more to this vast subject, it is hoped

here to give you a flavour and encouragement to try something which

has been immensely

beneficial to me,it would even have such importance to me as to say

life saving for i doubt i would be here in this physical form were it

not for this connection.

Everyone with depression should do this, it is my protocol for

dealing with depression for very good reason .This is a vast subject

we have not touched upon energy lines stone circles crystals and

their place and uses in working with mother earth .This is just

looking at one or two aspects of this spiritual subject.

 

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> I am 55 years old .I have fatigue .I eat well all natural foods ,no

> beef no fat.

> Could you please help me to overcome my fatigue.

> Thanks for all.

> Eimo

>

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Wonderful reading; thanks for writing; I too agree fatigue can be a

helped by your state of mind; i beleive in imagery

 

for example say you feel like lying down but you have to go somewhere

instead of lying down; mediate on walking out the door and leaving

 

imagine in your mind a picture of yourself walking out the door;

 

then follow the image in your mind and walk out the door to work

it's all a matter of mind control; mind over body;spirit over matter.-

-- In , " pjb12345uk " <pho

wrote:

>

> ---here are a few ideas now without knowing if your condition is

> physical it is hard to say.

> so i would recomend you try spiritual /reiki healing

> and something which has helped me immensly is earth energy

> In AlEarth energy

> Without doubt this energy is one of the most profound and

beneficial.

> Generally speaking we are surrounded by whole structures of

> inanimate matter, matter which is lifeless .A few examples would be

> concrete brick, dead wood, p laster, carpets, metal radiators,

> plastic and that is just the average living room. When we work in

> offices it can be just the same in fact a lot of the time we can be

> suurounded for a lenghy period with nothing living at all.But some

> people farmers forestry people fishermen are surrounded with

living

> things such as gardens, nice scenery, mountains, rivers lakesor

seas.

> We generally gain something from these things.

>

> This is why so many people retreat to the mountains, lakes, and

> seaside to gain sustenance from just being there. Each area has its

> own innate energy and you will have noticed some people attracted

> with real desire to live near the sea, or the south, north or other

> areas. Nearly everyone wishes to have a Mediterranean climate with

> loads more sunshine and thousands migrate there each winter.

>

> The earth is a living breathing being of immense power and is quite

> literally alive and very conscious, many people are engaged in

> keeping her in a better state of balance and repairing her of which

> in general we know little about.

>

> Just think for a moment of the vast number of plants, trees, etc

that

> spring out from the planet. Literally billions of different life

> forms each possessing life force.can you think of anything which

> gives such life force . Around her circumference it is

approximately

> 24000miles, she is spinning at over 1000mph and travelling around

our

> sun at over 66000mph, that is every hour we have moved 66000miles

not

> to mention our sun and solar system moving in relation to other

stars

> at a fantastic rate. She also possesses an aura, which is being fed

> from the sun, moon planets and stars.

>

> Being close to earth can be very interesting and by close what I

mean

> here is having your back against her and feeling the energy of the

> earth from the closeness. Don't feel that the energy is going to

hit

> you hard, it is far subtler than that.

>

> As an experiment try laying on the floor of your average house and

> then comparing the feeling you get from laying on the earth on your

> average lawn. There is a vast difference.A diference in how it

feels

> energy wise . Throughout the many trials and tribulations of life

> this energy has been one of the keystones which has helped many

> people .It provides a lovely sustenance which helps us keep in

> balance.It can feed us spiritually too giving us energy , and also

> when practised a sence of unity not unlike the feeling when a

couple

> are hugging each other closely for a good length of time.Yes that

> feeling can come from mother earth .Now being people of course male

> and female it is quite natural for the male to seek the female and

> vice versa because we are half not complete and there is need for

> many people to feel unity .IN my experience mother earth can bring

> very much a sence of unity or a very special feeling inside of

> you .In fact you may feel better for being with her than being in

the

> company of many people .

>

> I cannot think of any medical problem where this energy and sence

of

> unity would not help and would and recommend that everyone try it

> and experience it .

> Those with M.E. or any energy problem in particular would be well

> advised to try this. Obviously only give yourself just enough ,if

you

> feel you are slightly irritated after a while I would say this

could

> be your limit at that time. Like any energy it has to be treated

with

> respect. This is very much filling our more spiritual natures and I

> would love to see more research done with this energy on the many

> complaints, which we have to deal with.

>

> Very often when camping out much better sleep and a greater sense

of

> refreshment is experienced even when sleeping on air beds as we are

> much closer to the earth .If one was psychic one could possibly see

> this energy which would be an entirely new field to explore.

>

> Many people will have hugged trees or will have sat with their

backs

> to trees to experience a different kind of energy. Again caution is

> advised here as you are touching a large energy source.Hugging

trees

> can be fascinating subject and i have found that each tree is

> different . it has a different kind of energy , an oak is different

> to an ash or a beech .i have never hugged one of the big trees in

> america, we might have to be a bit cautious with that as these

trees

> are truly sacred and the shear physical size of them and consequent

> power with them could be overwhelming to some people . Start with

> exposures, which are not too long. Pick a decent size tree to start

> with a large girth, the older the better.

> Give reverence to it as a living thing. It will have seen many

> sunrises in its time and many sunsets and felt the wind blow

through

> its leaves and also the mornings of Jack Frost. People say if that

> tree could talk and do you know something -some trees actually do.

> Stay with me here for a moment , firstly have a seat under your

> favourite tree and I hope we all have a favourite and put your ear

to

> its trunk and then switch off your self and just listen to the tree

> and do this for at least 10 mins. What did you feel from this

> experience? I am certainly not going to pre-empt your own

> experience's just to tell you that if you did that often enough you

> will experience something intriguing.

>

> Just to let you know I have my own tent on the back garden all year

> round and regularly go in it to feel refreshed .not every night but

> it is much more beneficial than my bedroom stuck in a house

> surrounded by dead matter .You see underneath the stars ,with

birds

> singing In the morning .fresher air , living closer to nature you

> will naturally feel better etc

>

> as an addon to this a simple meditation will help you attune

yourself

> to mothiper earth and start to develop your relationship with her.

> did i say relationship, yes thats right for when you are attuned to

> her you will have formed a link a relationship between you and

> mother earth .Find a nice spot where you will not be disturbed

andif

> its dry lay on the grass but if not a simple sheet will do, get

> comfortable relax now what id o i picture the centre of the earth

and

> say in my mind join with the spirit of the earth and send down a

beam

> from you through the thousands miles of rock untill you reach the

> centre of her hold yourself there and feel , athis point i often

feel

> connected often my body relaxes even more and i start to feel

joined

> in unity and a feeling of energy fills me .a good idea is to send

> love to her and thankfullness for she gives so much , this will

> strengen the bond even more .be receptive to what you feel in

> return .Hold these loving connection for s long as you want for

some

> this will be a few minutes for others perhaps half an hour will

have

> passed

> .when you are ready you can return by coming up that chord or beam

> and returning and grounding yourself within your body.

> now you may or may not have experienced something in your consious.

> this depends on how consiously aware you are . but subconsiously

you

> will have certainly felt something .What you expereinced from this

> may very well depend to a large degree on how well you are

connected

> to your subconsious.

>

> There is obviously much much more to this vast subject, it is hoped

> here to give you a flavour and encouragement to try something which

> has been immensely

> beneficial to me,it would even have such importance to me as to

say

> life saving for i doubt i would be here in this physical form were

it

> not for this connection.

> Everyone with depression should do this, it is my protocol for

> dealing with depression for very good reason .This is a vast

subject

> we have not touched upon energy lines stone circles crystals and

> their place and uses in working with mother earth .This is just

> looking at one or two aspects of this spiritual subject.

>

> phill ternativeAnswers , " eimo53 " <eimo53@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I am 55 years old .I have fatigue .I eat well all natural

foods ,no

> > beef no fat.

> > Could you please help me to overcome my fatigue.

> > Thanks for all.

> > Eimo

> >

>

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Hi Eimo53,

 

i did a little research on magneto therapy, there are no studies

published in peer-reviewed journals (this includes those specializing

in alternative medicine) that would demonstrate any benefits of

magnetic fields in CFS or any other type of fatigue. On the contrary,

application of strong magnetic fields to muscle can induce fatigue

without any physical effort. In other words, there is no reliable

trustworthy information on this type of therapy in CFS. This does not

necessarily mean that this approach doesn't work, it is just the

amount of reliable evidence is close to zero.

 

On the positive side, magnetic fields of weak to moderate power are

fairly safe and do not pose serious risks to health.

With this in mind, I would try magneto therapy for free, but avoid it

if it costs money.

 

As somebody else already mentioned vitamin B12 deficiency can cause

fatigue, and I know one CFS patient who says that B12 supplement

reduces his symptoms significantly (although this is not a cure).

This vitamin is virtually absent in plant foods and animal liver is

the best natural source of vitamin B12.

 

You may find a lot of other CFS patients and share your experiences

on this non-commercial peer-support website: dailystrength dot org

 

Best wishes,

Craig

 

, " eimo53 " <eimo53

wrote:

>

> Hi craiggers_985:

> Thanks alot these are valuable infos.do You think that Magneto

> therapy may improve Chronic Fatigue . I found some sites advising

it.

> I need your openion specially because iam Hepatic with Hepatitis C

> for 10 years.

> Thanks in advance for your kind reply.

> Eimo

> eimo53

>

>

> , " craiggers_985 "

> <cata1laxi5@> wrote:

> >

> > I am sorry about your illness. I would reconsider your position

on

> > fat. Experts say that there are healthy and unhealthy fats, not

all

> > fat is bad. You may find this information interesting:

> > http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-

> eat/fats-

> > and-cholesterol/index.html

> >

> > With respect to fatigue, it has been shown in several studies

that

> > moderate cooling, such as a gradual cold shower or a cold bath

can

> > reduce fatigue. One researcher also recently proposed to treat

CFS

> > using twice daily adapted cold showers:

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17958903

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15253480

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13985984

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/5246975

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18058595

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11879418

> >

> >

> > , " eimo53 " <eimo53@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > I am 55 years old .I have fatigue .I eat well all natural

> foods ,no

> > > beef no fat.

> > > Could you please help me to overcome my fatigue.

> > > Thanks for all.

> > > Eimo

> > >

> >

>

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Hi friends

Thank you all for your kind replies.

 

I have tried all.I had

hepatitis c from 10 years.my liver is ok

 

 

, " Blua Birdo "

<bluabirdo wrote:

>

> Fatigue is just another symptom and may derive from different

physical, emotional or environmental causes.

> Another possibility is that your liver is not working well.

> You even may find the culprit in your environment as certain

situations, relationships and so on can produce depression, fatigue,

etc.

> Physically speaking, I suggest that you have some lab tests done.

>

> Rena

>

> -

> Donna Anne Masi

>

> Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:31 PM

> Re:Chronic fatigue syndrome

>

>

> <<<I am 55 years old .I have fatigue .I eat well all natural

foods ,no

> beef no fat.

> Could you please help me to overcome my fatigue.

> Thanks for all.

> Eimo>>>

>

> Hello Eimo,

> That in itself may be part of your problem. If you are eating a

low fat diet you are not supplying your body with the essential fuel

it needs for energy. This will contribute to fatigue. You may also be

low on vitamin b-12 if you are skimping on animal sources of protein,

which also contributes to fatigue.

>

> Dee

>

>

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I don't know where you were looking but search for Dr. Michael

Weintraub who did a double-blind peer-reviewed study using over 300

patients in 24 centers with diabetic neuropathy. There was a 90%

improvement rate. You might even be able to find an audio or video of

him online if they haven't been removed.

 

Magnets are VERY effective for chronic fatigue in all cases I've ever

seen. In Asia they have been used for thousands of years and are

standard medical practice in Japan and are used in hospitals.

 

I've heard many people with fibromyalgia say they felt great after an

MRI for a day or so after.

 

I've used magnets myself as I was extremely fatigued and magnetic

insoles were actually the first thing that worked. Like Eimo, my

liver was damaged and couldn't process toxins so using the insoles

prompted a skin break out but the energy made a huge difference in my

life. I stopped yawning all the time. I ended up getting a magnetic

sleep system which further improved my health. It's not a cure but it

sure made my life more tolerable.

 

I got way, way better and my liver is completely normal now after

having elevated liver counts for years after using Natural Cellular

Defense. I've written about it numerous times here already. It

removes toxins from the liver better than anything I've ever tried,

which is a lot of things, especially since I used to work for a

holistic doctor.

 

Knowing that, I would have to say, the magnets are more of a band-aid

solution and for someone with a known liver problem, it would be more

effective to cleanse the liver which is really the cause of things

like fatigue and depression but magnets can sure make a difference in

people's lives. Magnets release toxins but if the liver is congested

they can recirculate. Lots of water needs to be drank to flush them

out and most people feel worse at the beginning, either for a few days

or a week or so before noticing improvements.

 

Eimo, I'm pretty sure I emailed you the other day about this. Did you

get my email? Maybe it got stuck in your bulk folder.

 

Sharon Hoehner

www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen

 

 

, " craiggers_985 "

<cata1laxi5 wrote:

>

> Hi Eimo53,

>

> i did a little research on magneto therapy, there are no studies

> published in peer-reviewed journals (this includes those specializing

> in alternative medicine) that would demonstrate any benefits of

> magnetic fields in CFS or any other type of fatigue. On the contrary,

> application of strong magnetic fields to muscle can induce fatigue

> without any physical effort. In other words, there is no reliable

> trustworthy information on this type of therapy in CFS. This does not

> necessarily mean that this approach doesn't work, it is just the

> amount of reliable evidence is close to zero.

>

> On the positive side, magnetic fields of weak to moderate power are

> fairly safe and do not pose serious risks to health.

> With this in mind, I would try magneto therapy for free, but avoid it

> if it costs money.

>

> As somebody else already mentioned vitamin B12 deficiency can cause

> fatigue, and I know one CFS patient who says that B12 supplement

> reduces his symptoms significantly (although this is not a cure).

> This vitamin is virtually absent in plant foods and animal liver is

> the best natural source of vitamin B12.

>

> You may find a lot of other CFS patients and share your experiences

> on this non-commercial peer-support website: dailystrength dot org

>

> Best wishes,

> Craig

>

> , " eimo53 " <eimo53@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi craiggers_985:

> > Thanks alot these are valuable infos.do You think that Magneto

> > therapy may improve Chronic Fatigue . I found some sites advising

> it.

> > I need your openion specially because iam Hepatic with Hepatitis C

> > for 10 years.

> > Thanks in advance for your kind reply.

> > Eimo

> > eimo53@

> >

> >

> > , " craiggers_985 "

> > <cata1laxi5@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I am sorry about your illness. I would reconsider your position

> on

> > > fat. Experts say that there are healthy and unhealthy fats, not

> all

> > > fat is bad. You may find this information interesting:

> > > http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-

> > eat/fats-

> > > and-cholesterol/index.html

> > >

> > > With respect to fatigue, it has been shown in several studies

> that

> > > moderate cooling, such as a gradual cold shower or a cold bath

> can

> > > reduce fatigue. One researcher also recently proposed to treat

> CFS

> > > using twice daily adapted cold showers:

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17958903

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15253480

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13985984

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/5246975

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18058595

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11879418

> > >

> > >

> > > , " eimo53 " <eimo53@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I am 55 years old .I have fatigue .I eat well all natural

> > foods ,no

> > > > beef no fat.

> > > > Could you please help me to overcome my fatigue.

> > > > Thanks for all.

> > > > Eimo

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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