HAVE DU WILL TRAVEL: ‘They have exposed close to a million of our troops.’ - Ka

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February 28, 2006 7:49 PM

HAVE DU WILL TRAVEL

 

`They have exposed close to a million of our troops.'

An Interview With Karl Schwarz

 

By W. Leon Smith

EDITOR-IN-CHIEF

 

ICONOCLAST: Regarding Chris Busby's study about DU traveling, I would

like to get a political perspective from you. You know, The London

Times printed a short story about this recently and the Ministry of

Defense there said that it's unfeasible that depleted uranium could

have traveled so far.

 

KARL SCHWARZ: Well, that's what their stance is, but if you look a lot

closer at the comments of this ministry and also the Royal Academy

people, they come up with two diametrically opposed solutions and

answers. One person says that this was natural uranium that was

stirred up in the atmosphere through shock and awe in Iraq. If natural

uranium could reach there, by God, the DU probably could, too.

 

I mean, that's just to cut straight through the political-speak, okay?

 

You have to read that article real close to detect that, and you might

even have to quote the article or cite it. They are actually saying

that " no, this wasn't DU from the use of depleted uranium weapons,

this was natural uranium from Iraq that got stirred up into the

atmosphere through shock and awe. Now that's the official British

stance " one. " Okay?

 

Official British stance " two " is somewhat more problematic. Evidently,

according to this governmental official, they've had a Chernobyl that

they didn't bother to tell their citizens about. Because he claims

that uranium was local source from their own nuclear reactors, you

know, electrical power plants, and didn't have anything to do with DU

from Iraq. Well, as a matter of fact, the reason that they put them in

pellets and they put them in cores and they sink them in heavy water

is so that uranium can't get out, and they are sealed.

 

Those plants do not put any uranium in the air whatsoever. If they do,

they have to shut them down. Period.

 

ICONOCLAST: What are your thoughts politically on this. What do you

think our government needs to be doing?

 

SCHWARZ: I think our government needs to face this issue head-on, not

only as a public policy issue for the troops that they've had exposed

to this ever since Desert Storm which includes Bosnia, which includes

Afghanistan, also includes Iraqi Freedom, the second go-round over

here. They have used depleted uranium weapons in all four of those

deployments. The troops, if you start backtracking, you don't ever

read about this, but you can find it if you look for Bosnia syndrome,

like Desert Storm syndrome. One of the reasons and how I got on this

story, Leon, was up in Canada. They have a thing called the Uranium

Medical Research Center.

 

They actually have one in Canada and one in the United States. The

Canadians told me, " Oh, for the record, the reason we didn't go to

Iraq is we are already seeing some huge health issues on the Canadian

troops that participated in Desert Storm, Bosnia, and Afghanistan.

We're not going to be exposing our folks to this stuff anymore. We're

against it. " Now, they're coming to grips in their own country with

some very real and very tragic health stories, and our government is

sitting on it.

 

Now, from a public policy viewpoint, they need to take care of our

veterans.

 

They put them over there on deployment on questionable issues. If you

look back at this issue, we have created the circumstances to attack

Iraq the first time. There were some very questionable issues

surrounding Clinton's bombing of Bosnia. If you go back on 9/11,

dissect that story, it won't stand the light of day. Within 12 hours

they were ready to attack Afghanistan and they were actually

practicing that invasion in the late spring and early spring of 2001.

And then, all of a sudden, we find out that everything about Iraq was

fabricated.

 

So, basically, the last four engagements, the last four deployments,

are under questionable circumstances. And they have exposed close to a

million of our troops. Now, if you go back and start to look at the

health implications that's going on, they put 425,000 Americans in

Desert Storm and over 300,000 of them are having medical disability

issues.

 

They go over there some of the healthiest people on the face of this

planet and come home with their life devastated.

 

ICONOCLAST: I know that some of the state legislatures are in the

process of allowing testing for DU...

 

SCHWARZ: They are mandating it. Actually 10 have the legislation

pending and two others have passed it.

 

ICONOCLAST: Do you think Texas should do it?

 

SCHWARZ: Yes.

 

ICONOCLAST: Why haven't we?

 

SCHWARZ: Why haven't we? Because it's not politcally acceptable to

this federal government. A lot of the states will run scared if the

federal government starts threatening them with loss of funding.

 

ICONOCLAST: Do you think that that's going to happen to some of those

12 states?

 

SCHWARZ: They may have some toning to do. I heard that an overwhelming

number of the Republicans in the Louisiana House and Senate voted to

pass that legislation down there. I'm trying to get it stirred up in

Arkansas. That's where my son is from. I want him tested. He was over

there a year in the Green Zone. Even though he wasn't out where they

were dropping the bombs, this stuff was spread everywhere.

 

I talked to one lady down in Florida. She's a doctor and tested 87 of

them and every one was positive.

 

ICONOCLAST: If they test positive, what's their future?

 

SCHWARZ: Well, first off they are going to have to get a urine test

and chromosome test, which costs about six grand to get those tests

done. There are some things they can do related to heavy metal

poisoning treatment. You know, if you can get the damn metal out of

your system through various medical means of treating metal poisoning,

the prognosis may be much better than it is right now.

 

ICONOCLAST: High protein diets?

 

SCHWARZ: That, but they also give you certain types of medicine to

flush it out of your system. This stuff tends to go for you liver,

your kidneys, your brain, and most of the vets I've talked to about

this are having side effects, blurred vision, blurred memory, aching

joints. They went over there healthy and came home like they were

crippled.

 

ICONOCLAST: Is the federal government doing anything for them?

 

SCHWARZ: Stalling. The VA has been locked up in committee. They aren't

even proposing to be out with the fourth draft until December 2006. I

can tell you that for some of the people who served in 2003, that will

be too late.

 

ICONOCLAST: What do you think needs to happen?

 

SCHWARZ: I think the government needs to (1) honor its word to the

U.S. soldiers, (2) I think they need to start testing anywhere

downstream of these firing ranges, the bases, the nuclear weapons

labs, the storage facilities. I think they need to start looking at

the watershed and air drifting issues right here in the states. And I

think they need to come public with what they are detecting on these

high volume air sensors. We have them. I've been on some on two of our

military bases and also government labs. They have those sensors on them.

 

And, for some reason, they don't want anybody to know about it.

 

Now, the other thing I've noted, because I'm watching it, is the story

that broke in the U.K. (about DU traveling) and was posted within 24

hours in Australia and has not been picked up by any U.S. newspaper,

and I've personally put about 600 of them on notice. I also sent it to

Canada, Germany, France, Ireland, U.K., Australia, Japan. The world

desk, national news editors.

 

ICONOCLAST: What about the people that live in Great Britain. Have you

heard any feedback?

 

SCHWARZ: Yes. Some of the people on my e-mail update list, who are

from Armenia, all the west to Singapore and Australia. Then there's

about 18 or 19 of them in the U.K. They have all posted this on their

blogs if they have blogs. Canada has been very actively pushing this

out, because now it's adding up in their heads why so many Canadian

troops came home sick.

 

A lot of the Canadians I know said they felt ashamed when their

government wouldn't go to Iraq with us. That is the first time Canada

has not joined us in a jolly good war. They felt a little ashamed, but

now they are starting to see the truth. In fact, some of them that

served in Afghanistan are now dead. Some of them in Bosnia, now dead.

 

ICONOCLAST: Do we need to change our munitions to something different?

 

SCHWARZ: Yes.

 

ICONOCLAST: Or can we?

 

SCHWARZ: We could. Well, we can and we can't. Sometimes we're a victim

of our own successes. I'm pretty sure the Russians and the Chinese are

going to try to come up with tanks that have the same type of depleted

uranium and armor that the Abrams tank has. We can't penetrate them. A

tungsten-tipped projectile will not be effective enough. You'd have to

kind of shoot it in the ass, like the tiger thing. You can't go

head-to-head with them.

 

What you could do is tremendously scale down the reasoning behind some

of this stuff. Like they're using depleted uranium as penetrators for

bunker busters just so they can bust those up. There are ways to take

those bunkers out in a ground assault. You could get in there and blow

the doors open, take the thing out that way. You might have to bomb it

from the air. You might lose a few more people, but at least you

aren't condemning millions of people.

 

The story that you saw coming out of the United Kingdom is a very

typical response that even U.S. government labs do when they get

caught with their britches down polluting the environment and exposing

people to nuclear contamination. They basically always try to say " Oh,

that was natural uranium. " The only problem is once you start doing

these samples, you find plutonium, you find neptunium, and you find

U-236, which is not naturally occurring, at least plutonium and U-236

are not. And they are finding that, as well. Now, those two things are

highly radioactive and highly toxic, in fact, there may be one or two

things invented by man that are more toxic that plutonium. That is

lethal stuff. It doesn't take much to do you in.

 

ICONOCLAST: So their arguments don't hold water?

 

SCHWARZ: They don't hold water. And this is one of those things, as

long as they obfuscate, they are literally guilty of genocide. They

are guilty of cruel and inhumane treatment of our soldiers. And, you

stop and think about it, our allies, our coalition partners are

starting to see this and I think that's why they are starting to fold

up on some of these military policies. They're not going to keep

exposing their populations to this crap.

 

And now, if this story is true, that they're being exposed thousands

of miles away, you may seen a worldwide uprising to nuclear arms,

period. That would be a good thing. Darn, Leon, I'm not even an

anti-war person.

 

I'm standing here, outside, right now, looking around. I mean, what if

this crap is right out here on these people's yards? They're out here

doing their gardening, maybe getting exposed to this crap. You have no

way of knowing, and it doesn't take much of this stuff to put your

health over the edge.

 

ICONOCLAST: Some of the scientists I've talked to say that it is

everywhere, and that it's in what we consume.

 

SCHWARZ: In an article I have coming out tomorrow, I talk about how

this is probably in our water, it's in our food chain, it's in the air

we breathe, it's in the materials we touch. You know, yeah, it's

around. And that scares me because I've been sitting here for the last

25 years wondering why my friends are getting so damned sick with

disorders they don't even have names for.

 

About the only science that I'm aware of that can address this is

nanotechnology. They have not come up with any chemical means

whatsoever to neutralize this crap. Nanotechnology might be the answer.

 

ICONOCLAST: How would that be the answer? What form?

 

SCHWARZ: You are actually getting down to submolecular size that could

actually trap and catch this stuff, maybe change its properties, with

the damage caused to the nanotube and not to the human body.