Beachball-with-legs dog needs help!

[Guest guest]

I have already checked the archive until 'the server ran out of

memory' and I couldn't see anything...

I have three chihuahuas who weigh about 6-lbs (11yrs), 11-lbs

(12yrs) and 17-lbs (13yrs)!

The little one has finally started eating better. (We switched her

to soft food, as her teeth are not good. Sad, but a cleaning is

over $300.) The middle (11 lbs) one has lost a nice amount of

weight on a vet diet food and looks good. The 'beachball w/legs'

has been eating the same vet diet food and has gained 2 lbs. The

vet recommended that she weigh about 10 lbs.

 

We used to leave food/water out all the time and they've done fine

for years. We have changed to only giving them 1/2 c. 2x/day.

Beefcake thinks she is starving to death and has resorted to eating

grains of hard white rice, wheat bread and lettuce. She can hardly

walk and doesn't want to. It's like she needs a cleanse or

something, but she seems to be eliminating ok. The vet also did

bloodwork and didn't see anything " wrong " .

 

What else can I do to help her lose the weight?

 

Alison

[Guest guest]

Get her/him on raw foods.

 

Zeb

 

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Alison

herbal remedies

Monday, May 03, 2004 1:43 AM

Herbal Remedies - Beachball-with-legs dog needs help!

I have already checked the archive until 'the server ran out of memory' and I couldn't see anything...I have three chihuahuas who weigh about 6-lbs (11yrs), 11-lbs (12yrs) and 17-lbs (13yrs)!The little one has finally started eating better. (We switched her to soft food, as her teeth are not good. Sad, but a cleaning is over $300.) The middle (11 lbs) one has lost a nice amount of weight on a vet diet food and looks good. The 'beachball w/legs' has been eating the same vet diet food and has gained 2 lbs. The vet recommended that she weigh about 10 lbs.We used to leave food/water out all the time and they've done fine for years. We have changed to only giving them 1/2 c. 2x/day. Beefcake thinks she is starving to death and has resorted to eating grains of hard white rice, wheat bread and lettuce. She can hardly walk and doesn't want to. It's like she needs a cleanse or something, but she seems to be eliminating ok. The vet also did bloodwork and didn't see anything "wrong".What else can I do to help her lose the weight? AlisonFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Hard white rice, white bread not good... get them on raw meats, veggies, or Flints dog food.. ... these poor dogs need total nutrition also. and don't leave the food down..you need to get the weight down - it will kill them also. You can also give them acidolphis (sp)... which should help the digestion some, I would even think about IC #1

Suzi

 

 

Alison

herbal remedies

Herbal Remedies - Beachball-with-legs dog needs help!

I have already checked the archive until 'the server ran out of memory' and I couldn't see anything...I have three chihuahuas who weigh about 6-lbs (11yrs), 11-lbs (12yrs) and 17-lbs (13yrs)!The little one has finally started eating better. (We switched her to soft food, as her teeth are not good. Sad, but a cleaning is over $300.) The middle (11 lbs) one has lost a nice amount of weight on a vet diet food and looks good. The 'beachball w/legs' has been eating the same vet diet food and has gained 2 lbs. The vet recommended that she weigh about 10 lbs.We used to leave food/water out all the time and they've done fine for years. We have changed to only giving them 1/2 c. 2x/day. Beefcake thinks she is starving to death and has resorted to eating grains of hard white rice, wheat bread and lettuce. She can hardly walk and doesn't want to.

It's like she needs a cleanse or something, but she seems to be eliminating ok. The vet also did bloodwork and didn't see anything "wrong".What else can I do to help her lose the weight? AlisonFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your

own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability.

Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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[Guest guest]

You have already gotten great advice. 10 pounds seemed awful big so

I checked the breed standard. AKC says 6 tops. Does the oldest do

any kind of excersize? Could you get her to swim? Play catch? Go

for walks?

Becky

>

> Alison

> herbal remedies

> Herbal Remedies - Beachball-with-legs dog needs help!

>

>

> I have already checked the archive until 'the server ran out of

> memory' and I couldn't see anything...

> I have three chihuahuas who weigh about 6-lbs (11yrs), 11-lbs

> (12yrs) and 17-lbs (13yrs)!

> The little one has finally started eating better. (We switched her

> to soft food, as her teeth are not good. Sad, but a cleaning is

> over $300.) The middle (11 lbs) one has lost a nice amount of

> weight on a vet diet food and looks good. The 'beachball w/legs'

> has been eating the same vet diet food and has gained 2 lbs. The

> vet recommended that she weigh about 10 lbs.

>

> We used to leave food/water out all the time and they've done fine

> for years. We have changed to only giving them 1/2 c. 2x/day.

> Beefcake thinks she is starving to death and has resorted to eating

> grains of hard white rice, wheat bread and lettuce. She can hardly

> walk and doesn't want to. It's like she needs a cleanse or

> something, but she seems to be eliminating ok. The vet also did

> bloodwork and didn't see anything " wrong " .

>

> What else can I do to help her lose the weight?

>

> Alison

>

>

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as

long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner

and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

>

>

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as

long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner

and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You aren't feeding raw so I will asume your feeding a carb/biproduct

based canned food, AKA - Fast Food !

That being the case you should research and use a good enzyme and

nutritional yeast/ B vitamins - over there food.

Pam

 

 

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2 & cat=1661 & articleid=655

 

Carbohydrates as Energy Sources in Dog Foods

Veterinary & Aquatic Services Department, Drs. Foster & Smith, Inc.

 

 

Carbohydrates are present in almost all commercially available pet

foods. While we often focus on the protein and fat content of a pet

food, carbohydrates may actually have a bigger impact on the quality

of your pet's diet. Carbohydrates are responsible for many health

problems, if not fed correctly. This article will focus primarily on

the soluble carbohydrates. There is a separate article that

discusses, in greater detail, insoluble carbohydrates better known

as fiber.

 

The function of carbohydrates in pet food

The value of carbohydrates in dog and cat foods is often debated

among nutritionists. Despite the debate, most commercial dry foods

contain between 30% and 70% carbohydrates. If we examine the diets

of the wild canines and felines that most closely resemble our

domestic pets, we recognize that the wild canines do eat some

carbohydrates through the consumption of berries and intestinal

contents of their prey. However, it would rarely constitute even 30%

of their diet, and in wild felines, the carbohydrate intake would be

less than 5%, if any at all. This then raises the question as to why

we feed our domestic pets so much carbohydrate, when it appears to

be an unnatural food source.

 

Canines and felines have the ability to consume large quantities of

protein and then convert that protein into energy in addition to

muscle. They also have the ability to convert many carbohydrate

sources into the same kind of energy. This ability to utilize both

carbohydrates and proteins as an energy source explains how we are

able to feed our pets a high carbohydrate diet, particularly when we

feed processed carbohydrates that are easily digested by canines.

While cats are similar to dogs in their ability to utilize some

carbohydrates, cats need a much higher level of protein and fat to

remain healthy. So, essentially we are meeting the dog's or cat's

protein requirement with meat, and then meeting their energy and

fiber requirements with carbohydrates instead of the protein they

would often use in the wild.

 

Using carbohydrates as an energy source has benefits for the

manufacturer and consumer. Carbohydrates are less expensive and more

readily available as an energy source than proteins. Carbohydrates

are also essential in the formation of dry pet food. The starchy

carbohydrates are used to add structure, texture, and form to

kibbled food helping to create a product that is stable and easy to

feed. Canned foods could be composed without the addition of

carbohydrates, but dry kibble could not exist in its current form

without carbohydrates.

 

Soluble carbohydrates used in pet foods

 

Soluble carbohydrates are the starchy portion of a plant that can be

easily broken down in the digestive tract of the dog or cat. Soluble

carbohydrates are found in high concentrations in cereal grains such

as rice, wheat, corn, barley, and oats. The cooked or extruded forms

of soluble carbohydrates found in most pet foods are easily and

rapidly digested.It should be noted that not all forms of starch are

easily digested by dogs and cats. Raw cereal grains are digested

much more slowly in the intestine and there are some starchy

carbohydrates, including raw potatoes and bananas, that are

completely resistant to digestion in pets.

 

Health problems related to carbohydrates

While carbohydrates are an important part of dry commercial pet

foods, they can occasionally cause medical problems in dogs and cats

including obesity and maldigestion. Obesity occurs when an animal's

energy needs are exceeded and the extra glucose created by the

digestion of the carbohydrates is stored as fat. Realize that an

excess of carbohydrates, fats, or proteins can all lead to obesity,

but carbohydrates are often the most common energy source and are

easily converted to glucose.

 

Signs of maldigestion can range from mild to severe and often

include excessive gas, bloating, and diarrhea. As carbohydrates pass

through the digestive tract, enzymes such as amylase, lactase,

maltase, sucrase, and disaccharidase break them down into usable

forms. Animals that have deficiencies in these enzymes will be

unable to adequately break down these carbohydrates. The undigested

carbohydrates will then ferment and create bacterial overgrowth

resulting in the production of gas and excess water creating the

symptoms of maldigestion. In some animals, the lack of enzymes may

be due to an actual deficiency, in others, infections or

inflammation in the intestinal tract may result in a breakdown of

the normally available enzymes.

 

Lactose intolerance is a common form of maldigestion. Young animals

have the enzyme lactase, which breaks down the sugar in milk called

lactose. Often, as an animal ages, it stops producing lactase. When

that animal consumes milk products, the lactose is not digested and

the symptoms of maldigestion occur. We also recognize that animals

have different tolerances for the amount of carbohydrates that they

can digest. Whereas, many dogs can tolerate the level of

carbohydrates found in most commercial dog foods, there are some

dogs that will develop maldigestion when fed these foods. If these

dogs are fed a lower carbohydrate diet, or if they are fed a

digestive enzymatic supplement, they can usually tolerate the

carbohydrates that are present.

 

Summary

 

Soluble carbohydrates provide an affordable source of calories and

play an important role in the composition of most commercial pet

foods. While dogs and cats have not evolved to eat large quantities

of carbohydrates, when properly prepared, they appear to be well

tolerated by most animals. Some animals have an intolerance to

carbohydrates and need to be supplemented with natural enzymes or

fed a reduced carbohydrate diet.

 

References and Further Reading

 

 

Hand; Thatcher; Remillard; Roudebush. Small Animal Clinical

Nutrition 4th edition. Walsworth Publishing Company. Marceline, MO;

2000.

 

Lewis, L; Morris, M; Hand, M. Small Animal Clinical Nutrition 3rd

edition. Mark Morris Associates. Topeka, KS; 1987.

 

 

 

 

 

 

herbal remedies , " Alison " <rlmaynes@e...>

wrote:

> I have already checked the archive until 'the server ran out of

> memory' and I couldn't see anything...

> I have three chihuahuas who weigh about 6-lbs (11yrs), 11-lbs

> (12yrs) and 17-lbs (13yrs)!

> The little one has finally started eating better. (We switched

her

> to soft food, as her teeth are not good. Sad, but a cleaning is

> over $300.) The middle (11 lbs) one has lost a nice amount of

> weight on a vet diet food and looks good. The 'beachball w/legs'

> has been eating the same vet diet food and has gained 2 lbs. The

> vet recommended that she weigh about 10 lbs.

>

> We used to leave food/water out all the time and they've done fine

> for years. We have changed to only giving them 1/2 c. 2x/day.

> Beefcake thinks she is starving to death and has resorted to

eating

> grains of hard white rice, wheat bread and lettuce. She can

hardly

> walk and doesn't want to. It's like she needs a cleanse or

> something, but she seems to be eliminating ok. The vet also did

> bloodwork and didn't see anything " wrong " .

>

> What else can I do to help her lose the weight?

>

> Alison

[Guest guest]

The really best thing to do here is to put your dogs that are over weight on a weight loss program. Feed them cod and brown rice. This will reduce their weight very quick. Then when their weight is down get them on Flint River or Sold Gold. Follow the directions for this food and only feed them the puppy type food. Not the dog food for older dogs.

 

Zeb

 

 

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doodlebugboodles

herbal remedies

Monday, May 03, 2004 9:27 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Beachball-with-legs dog needs help!

You have already gotten great advice. 10 pounds seemed awful big so I checked the breed standard. AKC says 6 tops. Does the oldest do any kind of excersize? Could you get her to swim? Play catch? Go for walks?Becky> > Alison > herbal remedies > Herbal Remedies - Beachball-with-legs dog needs help!> > > I have already checked the archive until 'the server ran out of > memory' and I couldn't see anything...> I have three chihuahuas who weigh about 6-lbs (11yrs), 11-lbs > (12yrs) and 17-lbs (13yrs)!> The little one has finally started eating better. (We switched her > to soft food, as her teeth are not good. Sad, but a cleaning is > over $300.) The middle (11 lbs) one has lost a nice amount of > weight on a vet diet food and looks good. The 'beachball w/legs' > has been eating the same vet diet food and has gained 2 lbs. The > vet recommended that she weigh about 10 lbs.> > We used to leave food/water out all the time and they've done fine > for years. We have changed to only giving them 1/2 c. 2x/day. > Beefcake thinks she is starving to death and has resorted to eating > grains of hard white rice, wheat bread and lettuce. She can hardly > walk and doesn't want to. It's like she needs a cleanse or > something, but she seems to be eliminating ok. The vet also did > bloodwork and didn't see anything "wrong".> > What else can I do to help her lose the weight? > > Alison> > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... > > >

[Guest guest]

Awesome data. Thank you.

 

Love,

 

Zeb

 

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pam

herbal remedies

Monday, May 03, 2004 3:52 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Beachball-with-legs dog needs help!

You aren't feeding raw so I will asume your feeding a carb/biproduct based canned food, AKA - Fast Food !That being the case you should research and use a good enzyme and nutritional yeast/ B vitamins - over there food. Pamhttp://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2 & cat=1661 & articleid=655Carbohydrates as Energy Sources in Dog FoodsVeterinary & Aquatic Services Department, Drs. Foster & Smith, Inc. Carbohydrates are present in almost all commercially available pet foods. While we often focus on the protein and fat content of a pet food, carbohydrates may actually have a bigger impact on the quality of your pet's diet. Carbohydrates are responsible for many health problems, if not fed correctly. This article will focus primarily on the soluble carbohydrates. There is a separate article that discusses, in greater detail, insoluble carbohydrates better known as fiber.The function of carbohydrates in pet foodThe value of carbohydrates in dog and cat foods is often debated among nutritionists. Despite the debate, most commercial dry foods contain between 30% and 70% carbohydrates. If we examine the diets of the wild canines and felines that most closely resemble our domestic pets, we recognize that the wild canines do eat some carbohydrates through the consumption of berries and intestinal contents of their prey. However, it would rarely constitute even 30% of their diet, and in wild felines, the carbohydrate intake would be less than 5%, if any at all. This then raises the question as to why we feed our domestic pets so much carbohydrate, when it appears to be an unnatural food source.Canines and felines have the ability to consume large quantities of protein and then convert that protein into energy in addition to muscle. They also have the ability to convert many carbohydrate sources into the same kind of energy. This ability to utilize both carbohydrates and proteins as an energy source explains how we are able to feed our pets a high carbohydrate diet, particularly when we feed processed carbohydrates that are easily digested by canines. While cats are similar to dogs in their ability to utilize some carbohydrates, cats need a much higher level of protein and fat to remain healthy. So, essentially we are meeting the dog's or cat's protein requirement with meat, and then meeting their energy and fiber requirements with carbohydrates instead of the protein they would often use in the wild.Using carbohydrates as an energy source has benefits for the manufacturer and consumer. Carbohydrates are less expensive and more readily available as an energy source than proteins. Carbohydrates are also essential in the formation of dry pet food. The starchy carbohydrates are used to add structure, texture, and form to kibbled food helping to create a product that is stable and easy to feed. Canned foods could be composed without the addition of carbohydrates, but dry kibble could not exist in its current form without carbohydrates.Soluble carbohydrates used in pet foodsSoluble carbohydrates are the starchy portion of a plant that can be easily broken down in the digestive tract of the dog or cat. Soluble carbohydrates are found in high concentrations in cereal grains such as rice, wheat, corn, barley, and oats. The cooked or extruded forms of soluble carbohydrates found in most pet foods are easily and rapidly digested.It should be noted that not all forms of starch are easily digested by dogs and cats. Raw cereal grains are digested much more slowly in the intestine and there are some starchy carbohydrates, including raw potatoes and bananas, that are completely resistant to digestion in pets.Health problems related to carbohydratesWhile carbohydrates are an important part of dry commercial pet foods, they can occasionally cause medical problems in dogs and cats including obesity and maldigestion. Obesity occurs when an animal's energy needs are exceeded and the extra glucose created by the digestion of the carbohydrates is stored as fat. Realize that an excess of carbohydrates, fats, or proteins can all lead to obesity, but carbohydrates are often the most common energy source and are easily converted to glucose.Signs of maldigestion can range from mild to severe and often include excessive gas, bloating, and diarrhea. As carbohydrates pass through the digestive tract, enzymes such as amylase, lactase, maltase, sucrase, and disaccharidase break them down into usable forms. Animals that have deficiencies in these enzymes will be unable to adequately break down these carbohydrates. The undigested carbohydrates will then ferment and create bacterial overgrowth resulting in the production of gas and excess water creating the symptoms of maldigestion. In some animals, the lack of enzymes may be due to an actual deficiency, in others, infections or inflammation in the intestinal tract may result in a breakdown of the normally available enzymes.Lactose intolerance is a common form of maldigestion. Young animals have the enzyme lactase, which breaks down the sugar in milk called lactose. Often, as an animal ages, it stops producing lactase. When that animal consumes milk products, the lactose is not digested and the symptoms of maldigestion occur. We also recognize that animals have different tolerances for the amount of carbohydrates that they can digest. Whereas, many dogs can tolerate the level of carbohydrates found in most commercial dog foods, there are some dogs that will develop maldigestion when fed these foods. If these dogs are fed a lower carbohydrate diet, or if they are fed a digestive enzymatic supplement, they can usually tolerate the carbohydrates that are present.SummarySoluble carbohydrates provide an affordable source of calories and play an important role in the composition of most commercial pet foods. While dogs and cats have not evolved to eat large quantities of carbohydrates, when properly prepared, they appear to be well tolerated by most animals. Some animals have an intolerance to carbohydrates and need to be supplemented with natural enzymes or fed a reduced carbohydrate diet.References and Further ReadingHand; Thatcher; Remillard; Roudebush. Small Animal Clinical Nutrition 4th edition. Walsworth Publishing Company. Marceline, MO; 2000.Lewis, L; Morris, M; Hand, M. Small Animal Clinical Nutrition 3rd edition. Mark Morris Associates. Topeka, KS; 1987.herbal remedies , "Alison" <rlmaynes@e...> wrote:> I have already checked the archive until 'the server ran out of > memory' and I couldn't see anything...> I have three chihuahuas who weigh about 6-lbs (11yrs), 11-lbs > (12yrs) and 17-lbs (13yrs)!> The little one has finally started eating better. (We switched her > to soft food, as her teeth are not good. Sad, but a cleaning is > over $300.) The middle (11 lbs) one has lost a nice amount of > weight on a vet diet food and looks good. The 'beachball w/legs' > has been eating the same vet diet food and has gained 2 lbs. The > vet recommended that she weigh about 10 lbs.> > We used to leave food/water out all the time and they've done fine > for years. We have changed to only giving them 1/2 c. 2x/day. > Beefcake thinks she is starving to death and has resorted to eating > grains of hard white rice, wheat bread and lettuce. She can hardly > walk and doesn't want to. It's like she needs a cleanse or > something, but she seems to be eliminating ok. The vet also did > bloodwork and didn't see anything "wrong".> > What else can I do to help her lose the weight? > > AlisonFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington