ready to try it

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I'm about to possable to make a serious change in my life job wise

and everything around me will change. anyway I an ready to try to

come off my meds a little at a time. As some of u may know I have

bipolar illness, which I believe in my openion is caused from

several factors, past diet, urs and parent while in the womb during

develpoment. the sorry enveroment we live in and I live in a very

polluted place, lots of toxins in the air, and childhood

experiences. I think it is more or less a illness due to the result

of the poor way man has got this world and himself in. There is not

much I can do about my enverioment or my curmmy past, but I can

still improve my diet more. and If I make this job change I will be

very active. so here are the meds I want to come off of. lamictal,

topamax, risperdal. I need to know in great detail besides

improveing my diet what I can do what can I take that is natural to

help with the bipolar. regardless of how I feel it is caused it will

still be there due to my background. This is what I know, I can take

fish oil, flax seed oil, vit B complex, vit E and Vit C. I don't

know what else. Once I come off the meds, I know I can take st.

johns wort for depression, however we still have to deal with manic.

fish oil will help. So Doc and others if u have any ideas that will

help let me know. I want to do this one med at a time. first lets

tackle the topamax, once we have a plan in place I will reduce it

little by little. I'm currently on 50mg a day so it will not take

long. after I come off the meds I want to do a liver and kidney

detox to flush my body of the meds entirely. so I'm open to all

ideas on how to do this so please answer and help.

Poneyboy.

[Guest guest]

Nathan,

 

Hubby is bi-polar and had VAST improvement after the cleanse. Prior

to that, it was like living with two totally differnt people. He did

not use medication so the effects were obvious to the extreme. He had

a similar childhood it sounds like and as a teen started drinking so

this only compounded matters.

 

If you do not already have Doc's tape i would suggest that as a good

place to start as well as the article on ADHD/ADD as i believe the

causes and treatments are similar. There is also a nerve or brain

tonic in the files. A cleanse would be beneficial if you can do it.

 

Excersice is really really important too. I find that hubby is much

mellower when he has expended alot of his reserve energy (yard work,

weights, martial arts) So if you can incorporate workout time or

walking/running maybe that will help?

 

Most of all, do not give up. As you start weaning off the drugs you

may have some high and low days, if you dont have someone close to

you to help with love and encouragement, make sure you log in here

and talk to all of us for moral support.

 

Sylvia

 

herbal remedies , " Nathan Kirk " <poneyboy@t...>

wrote:

> I'm about to possable to make a serious change in my life job wise

> and everything around me will change. anyway I an ready to try to

> come off my meds a little at a time. As some of u may know I have

> bipolar illness, which I believe in my openion is caused from

> several factors, past diet, urs and parent while in the womb

during

> develpoment. the sorry enveroment we live in and I live in a very

> polluted place, lots of toxins in the air, and childhood

> experiences. I think it is more or less a illness due to the result

> of the poor way man has got this world and himself in. There is not

> much I can do about my enverioment or my curmmy past, but I can

> still improve my diet more. and If I make this job change I will be

> very active. so here are the meds I want to come off of. lamictal,

> topamax, risperdal. I need to know in great detail besides

> improveing my diet what I can do what can I take that is natural to

> help with the bipolar. regardless of how I feel it is caused it

will

> still be there due to my background. This is what I know, I can

take

> fish oil, flax seed oil, vit B complex, vit E and Vit C. I don't

> know what else. Once I come off the meds, I know I can take st.

> johns wort for depression, however we still have to deal with

manic.

> fish oil will help. So Doc and others if u have any ideas that will

> help let me know. I want to do this one med at a time. first lets

> tackle the topamax, once we have a plan in place I will reduce it

> little by little. I'm currently on 50mg a day so it will not take

> long. after I come off the meds I want to do a liver and kidney

> detox to flush my body of the meds entirely. so I'm open to all

> ideas on how to do this so please answer and help.

> Poneyboy.

[Guest guest]

Hi Poneyboy, Besides the meds, can you give us all an idea what your diet is like? Specifics - food (raw, cooked, meat, fruits/veggies, organic?), other drugs (cigarettes, alcohol, recreational?). Do you get any exercise?

Any additional info will be helpful.

 

Thanks,

Kelli

 

 

Nathan Kirk [poneyboy] Tuesday, April 20, 2004 3:38 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - ready to try itI'm about to possable to make a serious change in my life job wise and everything around me will change. anyway I an ready to try to come off my meds a little at a time.

[Guest guest]

Sylvia,

 

Names Greg when I joined I accenditally used a very old id that I have not deleted yet. Sorry about that, I changed it. I was severaly abused as a child which turned me to use at a very young are. I started using at age 12 very hard drugs, and drinking heavy also. When I was first dx I was convenced it was a imbalence in the brain. I still believe it but I think it is caused from the things I mentioned. I will not beable to do the cleanse until I come off the meds, I have to taper off them one by one because if I stop them all at once it will put me in the hospital. thats the brilence of modern medican they can't fix u right but they can sure break u. So for now just till i taper off I need something to help me through the transition. then once I'm off the meds I can do the cleanse and start the other stuff. I will purise the files section looking for the one u mentioned. I got Doc's take and really enjoyed it very much. I will listen to it again to see what I can gleen from it once more. I learned a lot from it.

Poneyboy (Gregory)

 

<Sylvia Posted>

Hubby is bi-polar and had VAST improvement after the cleanse. Priorto that, it was like living with two totally different people. He didnot use medication so the effects were obvious to the extreme. He hada similar childhood it sounds like and as a teen started drinking sothis only compounded matters.If you do not already have Doc's tape i would suggest that as a goodplace to start as well as the article on ADHD/ADD as i believe thecauses and treatments are similar. There is also a nerve or braintonic in the files. A cleanse would be beneficial if you can do it.Excersice is really really important too. I find that hubby is muchmellower when he has expended alot of his reserve energy (yard work,weights, martial arts) So if you can incorporate workout time orwalking/running maybe that will help?Most of all, do not give up. As you start weaning off the drugs youmay have some high and low days, if you dont have someone close toyou to help with love and encouragement, make sure you log in hereand talk to all of us for moral support.Sylvia

Poneyboy

 

"The Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...or the one" Spock Star Trek IIThe Wrath of Kahn.MSN poneyboy1967 poneyboyfxICQ 301927482

[Guest guest]

You "Tell 'Em" Sylvie!

 

Zeb

 

-

Sylvia

herbal remedies

Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:47 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: ready to try it

Nathan,Hubby is bi-polar and had VAST improvement after the cleanse. Prior to that, it was like living with two totally differnt people. He did not use medication so the effects were obvious to the extreme. He had a similar childhood it sounds like and as a teen started drinking so this only compounded matters.If you do not already have Doc's tape i would suggest that as a good place to start as well as the article on ADHD/ADD as i believe the causes and treatments are similar. There is also a nerve or brain tonic in the files. A cleanse would be beneficial if you can do it.Excersice is really really important too. I find that hubby is much mellower when he has expended alot of his reserve energy (yard work, weights, martial arts) So if you can incorporate workout time or walking/running maybe that will help?Most of all, do not give up. As you start weaning off the drugs you may have some high and low days, if you dont have someone close to you to help with love and encouragement, make sure you log in here and talk to all of us for moral support.Sylvia

[Guest guest]

Well for the longest my diet was great. lately it needs work. I

don't eat red meat. I eat very little sugar but I have no problem

cutting out the rest of it. I use wheat flour for breads and

cooking, and olive oil for cooking. I eat lots of vegies both freash

and canned and frozen. hate cigarettes, can't even stand to be

around someone who smells like it. I drink maybe one beer a month.

as far as exercise I really need improvement there. If I get this

job I will be real active lots of walking and weight lifting. but

work related. it will be easy for me to change my diet back to what

I need to, I will just attach what I created for a diet about a year

ago, I edited out all the references to products, but this will give

u a better idea of how I eat for the most part.

This is a diet that I created and I do for the most part.

 

STEP 1 On a daily basis count your carbs to 165 a day. Do not eat

more than 165 carbs a day, and eat about 55 carbs at each meal. Try

to put the most carbs during the first two meals of the day. Make

the last meal of the day the lightest. Also eat the last meal before

5 p.m. and if you do eat after 5 p.m. eat a light salad or fruit. DO

NOT snack before bedtime.

 

Step 2 Cut out all red meat. Why, because of the fat. Red meat

contains too much fat. Eat fish or chicken, if u fry it fry it in

olive oil with whole wheat flour, prefer to bake it. I have a recipe

for fish.

 

STEP 3 Eliminate all refined sugar (that's the white kind). It turns

into fat in the body. And can lead to other health problems down the

road. Stevia is a good natural substitute for sugar. To use it add

one packet to a pint of tea, a pinch to a cup of coffee, or a ½

packet to a large cup of tea. Since you can't cook with it I would

suggest fructose for cooking. Read labels to find out what has

sugar in it. Be careful of stuff that says it has low fat, by taking

out fat they add more sugar to make up for lack of taste. Also

 

STEP 4 Do away with all white flour. Eat wheat bread instead; Buy

wheat flour instead of white. Besides being better for you it taste

better. And it is better for the body. Also avoid all can soups.

They contain white flour as a base.

 

STEP 5 Exercise somewhat at least 3 times a week. Do crunches or

walk but do something.

 

STEP 6 Cut out all excess salt. Salt retains fluid in the body.

There is enough salt added to food. Do not add salt to food while

cooking or after cooking. It is harder to sweat if u use a lot of

salt and u will retain fluids if u use a lot of salt. For women salt

also causes problems with menopause and in both sexes it causes

lower back pain if used in excess. Which if added to food is excess.

It is also known to cause mood problems.

 

STEP 7 If you drink milk, some people drink soy milk, switch to skim

milk or 1%. Whole milk has a lot of fat in it. You would be

surprised how much a little whole milk can put on you.

 

STEP 8 I would also suggest taking no less than 2,000mg of Vitamin C

a day. Take it in 1,000mg doses. It will do wonders for your body

and also help rid the body of excess water.

 

 

 

STEP 9 Try to limit breads as much as possible. Bread is stored in

the body longer in the body than any other food and is harder to

expel. But remember you are allowed to have bread on this diet, just

keep it limited.

 

STEP 10 Eat lots of fresh vegies. Steam them if you can. To curb

your sweet tooth eat fruit. When you drink fruit juice do not buy

frozen juice in a can, also juice in a bottle has a lot of sugar in

it too.

 

STEP 11 As much as you hate to try not to eat out too often. If you

do, do not eat fast food. There is no such thing as good fast food.

It is all going to add the pounds.

 

STEP 12 Think about this a minute, (info from Carla) a regular 20oz

of Coke has 17 tea spoonfuls of sugar. Would you dare put that much

in a glass of tea? Stay away from pop.

 

Remember to read labels, sugar is in everything we eat so try to

read everything and see just what it is in. If u allow yourself the

one treat a week and then eat more sugar throughout the week then

you are in for it you will just add the pounds. This IS NOT the

Atkins diet. You should limit you protein to 35-45gs a day. The

Atkins diet has you eating 1,000 of grams a day. So this is a very

safe and friendly diet. I hope you enjoy you new way of living and

happy eating.

 

Gregory D. Watts Creator copyright 2003

This is basically how I eat when things are going good. I have

deaveted to sugar a little not much, so I need to cut that out and

everything else is the same as on the list.

Poneyboy

 

 

herbal remedies , " Kelli Bever " <kelli@c...>

wrote:

> Hi Poneyboy, Besides the meds, can you give us all an idea what

your diet is like? Specifics - food (raw, cooked, meat,

fruits/veggies, organic?), other drugs (cigarettes, alcohol,

recreational?). Do you get any exercise?

>

> Any additional info will be helpful.

>

> Thanks,

> Kelli

>

>

> Gregory Watts[poneyboy@t...]

> Tuesday, April 20, 2004 3:38 PM

> herbal remedies

> Herbal Remedies - ready to try it

>

>

> I'm about to possable to make a serious change in my life

job wise

> and everything around me will change. anyway I an ready to

try to

> come off my meds a little at a time.

[Guest guest]

WOW Greg (thanks for the correction LOL)

 

Sounds very much like hubby's childhood, i'm really, really sorry.

 

I noticed from your other post that you said you eat only whole

wheat, you need to kick that up a notch and make that only sprouted

grain bread. Sprouted grain is the ultimate and can be easily used

by your body unlike even whole wheat. You can either make your own

using sprouted flours (Source in the files - Essential Eating Bakery)

or look for Ezekiel breads in HFS.

 

Also, you may want to call and consult with Doc and have him help you

with an overall plan of action.

 

And dont forget again, that we are all here for you.

 

Sylvia

 

herbal remedies , Poneyboy <poneyboy@t...>

wrote:

> Sylvia,

>

> Names Greg when I joined I accenditally used a very old id that I

have not deleted yet. Sorry about that, I changed it. I was severaly

abused as a child which turned me to use at a very young are. I

started using at age 12 very hard drugs, and drinking heavy also.

When I was first dx I was convenced it was a imbalence in the brain.

I still believe it but I think it is caused from the things I

mentioned. I will not beable to do the cleanse until I come off the

meds, I have to taper off them one by one because if I stop them all

at once it will put me in the hospital. thats the brilence of modern

medican they can't fix u right but they can sure break u. So for now

just till i taper off I need something to help me through the

transition. then once I'm off the meds I can do the cleanse and start

the other stuff. I will purise the files section looking for the one

u mentioned. I got Doc's take and really enjoyed it very much. I will

listen to it again to see what I can gleen from it once more. I

learned a lot from it.

> Poneyboy (Gregory)

>

> <Sylvia Posted>

> Hubby is bi-polar and had VAST improvement after the cleanse. Prior

> to that, it was like living with two totally different people. He

did

> not use medication so the effects were obvious to the extreme. He

had

> a similar childhood it sounds like and as a teen started drinking so

> this only compounded matters.

>

> If you do not already have Doc's tape i would suggest that as a good

> place to start as well as the article on ADHD/ADD as i believe the

> causes and treatments are similar. There is also a nerve or brain

> tonic in the files. A cleanse would be beneficial if you can do it.

>

> Excersice is really really important too. I find that hubby is much

> mellower when he has expended alot of his reserve energy (yard work,

> weights, martial arts) So if you can incorporate workout time or

> walking/running maybe that will help?

>

> Most of all, do not give up. As you start weaning off the drugs you

> may have some high and low days, if you dont have someone close to

> you to help with love and encouragement, make sure you log in here

> and talk to all of us for moral support.

>

> Sylvia

>

>

> Poneyboy

>

> " The Needs of the many outweigh the needs

> of the few...or the one " Spock Star Trek II

> The Wrath of Kahn.

> MSN poneyboy1967@h...

> poneyboyfx

> ICQ 301927482