Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I am looking for some information and treatment options to Vitamin D deficiency. Here's my story in a nutshell: I am 46 y.o. female with a family history or rheumatoid/osteoarthritis. Last summer at a routine physical a blood test came back with low vit. D. Dr. prescribed 1,000 units vit. D daily. What first concerned me about the results of the test was that at the time of the test, I was extremely suntanned. We spend great deals of time outside on the boat in the summer so I was getting at least 2-6 hours of sunshine a day. I just went back for a re-check (6 months have past) taking my 1,000 units of vit. D (fairly regularly, at least 3-4 days a week). My vitamin D is still low and the Dr. wants me to take 2,000 units per day of Vit. D. Couple of concerns and questions: 1. Why would my Vit. D level be so low with so much sun exposure on a daily basis? 2. Could the low Vit. D be indicative of something else going on in my body? 3. Does this low D have any connection to rheumatoid or osteoarthritis? 4. Are there any other alternatives to take the Vit. D in pill form? Thank you for your time. Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 That's a fascinating question, Lori. Good for you for trying to figure it out more. It doesn't make sense to me, either, with all the sun and the supplemental vitamin D. Seems like somehow your body isn't absorbing it. I can help with one of your questions, though. I take vitamin D in liquid form that I get from my holistic doctor. They're made by Biotics Research Corporation and are called Bio-D-Mulsion. He feels a lot of us are deficient in vitamin D anymore, and that it leads to a lot of problems, like depression, and possibly can even help fight cancer. Cindy Cindy Kirchhoff http://livinginrhyme.com , Zakam <zakam wrote: > > I am looking for some information and treatment options to Vitamin D > deficiency. Here's my story in a nutshell: > > I am 46 y.o. female with a family history or rheumatoid/osteoarthritis. > Last summer at a routine physical a blood test came back with low vit. > D. Dr. prescribed 1,000 units vit. D daily. What first concerned me > about the results of the test was that at the time of the test, I was > extremely suntanned. We spend great deals of time outside on the boat > in the summer so I was getting at least 2-6 hours of sunshine a day. > > I just went back for a re-check (6 months have past) taking my 1,000 > units of vit. D (fairly regularly, at least 3-4 days a week). My > vitamin D is still low and the Dr. wants me to take 2,000 units per day > of Vit. D. > > Couple of concerns and questions: > > 1. Why would my Vit. D level be so low with so much sun exposure on a > daily basis? > 2. Could the low Vit. D be indicative of something else going on in my > body? > 3. Does this low D have any connection to rheumatoid or osteoarthritis? > 4. Are there any other alternatives to take the Vit. D in pill form? > > Thank you for your time. > > > Lori > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I have to take 10,000 iu of D (you can get it in capsules of 5000 each, tho I prefer gelcaps) and although I have been on that dose for three weeks, I still tested just barely into the normal range. Sunshine doesn't do it for everyone, esp depending on the time of year. Low D can result in a lot of problems. I take it for cancer, but there's no end of different things it's involved in. Take the supplements - they will not hurt you and may help a lot. Just my suggestion, Thea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 The general recommendation is that you should never self supplement with Vitamin D at higher than 1000 i.u. per day, without regular testing to ensure that your Vit D levels are within safe range. High levels of supplementation can lead to toxic overdose. There are no symptoms of this overdosing, but the damage can very serious and even life threatening. Everyone is different when it comes to metabolising Vit. D. What is safe for one person can be dangerous for another. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 > I am looking for some information and treatment options to > Vitamin D deficiency. Here's my story in a nutshell: > > I am 46 y.o. female with a family history or > rheumatoid/osteoarthritis. Last summer at a routine physical a > blood test came back with low vit. D. Dr. prescribed 1,000 > units vit. D daily. What first concerned me about the results > of the test was that at the time of the test, I was extremely > suntanned. We spend great deals of time outside on the boat in > the summer so I was getting at least 2-6 hours of sunshine a > day. Unfortunately, there is more going on than just the amount of time we spend in the Sun. There has been quite an amount research done on our absorption vitamin D; one of the things that has been found out is that there are several genes which affect our skin colour (and our ability to Tan etc) and a different set of genes which define the absorption of sunlight and the process of generating vitamin D through the skin. We know for example, that people from northern Europe Celtic background who have ginger coloured hair have a different set of genes activated to peoples from a Mediterranean background and different again from those of an Afro-American background. If, in your ancestral past, your ancestors lived in an area where there were many hours of sunshine from vertically overhead all year round, then the genes will govern a relatively slow rate of vitamin D production and the body will not be set up to store vitamin D. However, if you come from northern Europe, then a particular gene will set the body up to produce more vitamin D from relatively little sunshine and to be able to store it during periods when there is no sunshine. Another factor in the vitamin D. story the sort of diet that your ancestors had. If, for example, they came from an area where their main dietary source was from the sea, it is more than probable that some of the fish they ate provided massive vitamin D supplementation; those peoples who used to eat cod, whale meat etc got their vitamin D requirements from this source. This of course means that, if you came from anywhere around the Mediterranean, you are going to tan fairly easily but, your metabolism is not going to produce the vitamin D you need -- especially if your people came from an area where they were fish eaters. > > I just went back for a re-check (6 months have past) taking my > 1,000 units of vit. D (fairly regularly, at least 3-4 days a > week). My vitamin D is still low and the Dr. wants me to take > 2,000 units per day of Vit. D. > > Couple of concerns and questions: > > 1. Why would my Vit. D level be so low with so much sun > exposure on a daily basis? I think just answered that question above ... > > 2. Could the low Vit. D be indicative of something else going > on in my body? Not necessarily -- in fact it is quite unlikely. > > 3. Does this low D have any connection to rheumatoid or > osteoarthritis? There has been a lot of research by some very reputable organisations -- including Mayo Clinic and Harvard Medical School. Low vitamin D does have a direct connection with the way the body metabolises calcium, magnesium, phosphorus etc. For example it is known that with a deficiency of vitamin D, an organic compound of calcium (calcium 2 AEP) is not produced -- and this is absolutely essential for nerve cells in particular. > > 4. Are there any other alternatives to take the Vit. D in pill > form? The best form of supplementary vitamin D is in capsule form -- not tablets. You could try cod liver oil capsules, but you will be taking a lot of them to make up the one vitamin D capsule. Again, depending on your ancestry, it is possible that your body will not be able to utilise vitamin D in supplement form. > > Thank you for your time. > > > Lori Christopher Wynter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I'm posting this for your consideration only because sun an suppliments don't seem to be helping. http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/15/vitamind/#1 Its a long articule but here is a part of it. Please read it an give me your oppinions. I personly believe we need more sun an fresh air but who knows. I'm confused because I found the amazon board from a link to the iodine for breast cancer board. There i found a link to a board that believes most deseases are caused by bacteria. If I read it right they believe that supplements feed the deseases. I may just not understand. That sounds like the old school of thought to me. Barbara PS: I've posted it on the iodine board for their consideration also. Most alarming, however, is the fact that the medical community is currently oblivious to yet another public health disaster of epic proportions - one that is affecting the entire population. In an effort to curb chronic disease, well-intentioned researchers are promoting vitamin D, a substance that, according to recent molecular modeling research, can act as an immunosuppressive steroid. Studies which incorrectly interpret the reason for low vitamin D in patients with chronic disease have been seized upon by the media, and form the basis of massive advertising campaigns – which, along with ill- informed recommendations by doctors and researchers, have created a perfect storm of misunderstanding and bad advice. What follows are fourteen pieces of a puzzle that, when complete, reveal a massive misunderstanding of the actions of vitamin D. Let's start with this fact: the vast majority of doctors touting the benefits of vitamin D are not aware of discoveries made by researchers in the field of molecular biology, which have clearly shown that the " vitamin " D derived from diet and supplements is not a vitamin, but a steroid with immunosuppressive properties when elevated.2 There are several forms of vitamin D. The form of vitamin D we get from food, diet, supplements and sun exposure is called D3. D3 is converted by the kidneys into 25-D, which functions as a steroid. 1,25-D, the activated form of vitamin D, functions as both a steroid and a hormone. It is produced inside various types of cells, including those of the immune system and the kidneys, as well as in response to sunlight. In healthy individuals, the kidneys continually convert 25-D into its active form, 1,25-D.34 According to a paper published by the Institute of Biomedical Research in Birmingham, England, " The active form of vitamin D, [1,25- D] is a potent immunomodulatory seco-steroid " meaning that it is a steroid-like molecule which is able to control the activity of the immune system. " 5 Molecular modeling has shown that the hormonal 1,25-D form binds and activates the Vitamin D Receptor. The Vitamin D Receptor plays a fundamental role in the body. It transcribes 913 genes, and researchers at McGill University in Canada just released a paper saying it may actually transcribe 27,091.6 But, the Vitamin D Receptor also performs another critical function – it serves as a switch that regulates the activity of the innate immune system.789 A molecular model comparing the structure of 25-D and of 1,25- D10According to recent molecular models, the steroid 25-D binds the Vitamin D Receptor and affects the activity of the immune system as well, but in a manner opposite to 1,25-D. When the steroid 25-D binds the Vitamin D Receptor, it decreases the activity of the receptor, causing the innate immune system to slow down and shut off. This effect begins around 20 ng/ml and gradually increases with higher levels of 25-D, until the VDR becomes completely blocked.11 > I am looking for some information and treatment options to Vitamin D > deficiency. Here's my story in a nutshell: > > I am 46 y.o. female with a family history or rheumatoid/osteoarthritis. > Last summer at a routine physical a blood test came back with low vit. > D. Dr. prescribed 1,000 units vit. D daily. What first concerned me > about the results of the test was that at the time of the test, I was > extremely suntanned. We spend great deals of time outside on the boat > in the summer so I was getting at least 2-6 hours of sunshine a day. > > I just went back for a re-check (6 months have past) taking my 1,000 > units of vit. D (fairly regularly, at least 3-4 days a week). My > vitamin D is still low and the Dr. wants me to take 2,000 units per day > of Vit. D. > > Couple of concerns and questions: > > 1. Why would my Vit. D level be so low with so much sun exposure on a > daily basis? > 2. Could the low Vit. D be indicative of something else going on in my > body? > 3. Does this low D have any connection to rheumatoid or osteoarthritis? > 4. Are there any other alternatives to take the Vit. D in pill form? > > Thank you for your time. > > > Lori > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Malabsorption of nutrients can be caused by Leaky Gut Syndrome. Vit D when taken with Calcium and Magnesium is absorbed better than by itself. The 3 minerals go hand in hand. I use the Cal-Mag Complex by Unicity which is powdered form. 1 tsp daily in water or juice has a 90% absorption rate compared to the 40% rate of capsules and tablets. My last bone density scan was normal for a woman in menopause and a history of osteoperosis from grandmothers. Leaky Gut can be caused my many things, especially antibiotics, anti-inflammitary medications and other medications. Ant-acids products also can contribute because they are supposed to recuce the acids which breaks down contents of the stomache for digestion process and in turn allows other pathogens which wouldn't normally grow in the stomache. These drugs etc cause small leaks in the stomache and bowel. Leaky Gut can be contributed to many issues that an Allopathic Dr ( medical) would not normally test or look for. Jenny Kernan --- kiaradaze <ckirchhoff wrote: > That's a fascinating question, Lori. Good for you > for trying to figure > it out more. It doesn't make sense to me, either, > with all the sun and > the supplemental vitamin D. Seems like somehow your > body isn't > absorbing it. > > I can help with one of your questions, though. I > take vitamin D in > liquid form that I get from my holistic doctor. > They're made by > Biotics Research Corporation and are called > Bio-D-Mulsion. He feels a > lot of us are deficient in vitamin D anymore, and > that it leads to a > lot of problems, like depression, and possibly can > even help fight cancer. > > Cindy > > Cindy Kirchhoff > http://livinginrhyme.com > > , Zakam > <zakam wrote: > > > > I am looking for some information and treatment > options to Vitamin D > > deficiency. Here's my story in a nutshell: > > > > I am 46 y.o. female with a family history or > rheumatoid/osteoarthritis. > > Last summer at a routine physical a blood test > came back with low vit. > > D. Dr. prescribed 1,000 units vit. D daily. What > first concerned me > > about the results of the test was that at the time > of the test, I was > > extremely suntanned. We spend great deals of time > outside on the boat > > in the summer so I was getting at least 2-6 hours > of sunshine a day. > > > > I just went back for a re-check (6 months have > past) taking my 1,000 > > units of vit. D (fairly regularly, at least 3-4 > days a week). My > > vitamin D is still low and the Dr. wants me to > take 2,000 units per day > > of Vit. D. > > > > Couple of concerns and questions: > > > > 1. Why would my Vit. D level be so low with so > much sun exposure on a > > daily basis? > > 2. Could the low Vit. D be indicative of > something else going on in my > > body? > > 3. Does this low D have any connection to > rheumatoid or osteoarthritis? > > 4. Are there any other alternatives to take the > Vit. D in pill form? > > > > Thank you for your time. > > > > > > Lori > > > > > Quantum Biofeedback Therapist Theta Practitioner/ Medical Intuitive www.quantumassociatesoftuah.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Christopher, Thank you and others for your thoughtful information. Unfortunately, I am light skinned and hair (Polish/ Canadian French background), although I do tan fairly easily. I live in New England and the summer sun is fairly strong. I just didn't know why my body wasn't absorbing the Vitamin D that I was obviously getting from the sun. I will continue my supplements but am still baffled by this. Lori > > > If, in your ancestral past, your ancestors lived in an area > where there were many hours of sunshine from vertically overhead > all year round, then the genes will govern a relatively slow > rate of vitamin D production and the body will not be set up to > store vitamin D. However, if you come from northern Europe, > then a particular gene will set the body up to produce more > vitamin D from relatively little sunshine and to be able to > store it during periods when there is no sunshine. > > . > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9/1237 - Release 1/22/2008 11:04 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 French are medeteranian. Even the ones who settled Canada have that background so its possible even though you have a fair complexion your metabolism has that particular characteristic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Great addition, Jenny; I forgot all about that. My daughter suffered from terrible hives and other problems, all because of leaky gut. Once that was remedied, the other issues disappeared. This is definitely something worth pursuing with a holistic type of health professional. Cindy Cindy Kirchhoff http://livinginrhyme.com , Jenny Kernan <rainysnana wrote: > > Malabsorption of nutrients can be caused by Leaky Gut > Syndrome. Vit D when taken with Calcium and Magnesium > is absorbed better than by itself. The 3 minerals go > hand in hand. > > I use the Cal-Mag Complex by Unicity which is powdered > form. 1 tsp daily in water or juice has a 90% > absorption rate compared to the 40% rate of capsules > and tablets. > > My last bone density scan was normal for a woman in > menopause and a history of osteoperosis from > grandmothers. > > Leaky Gut can be caused my many things, especially > antibiotics, anti-inflammitary medications and other > medications. Ant-acids products also can contribute > because they are supposed to recuce the acids which > breaks down contents of the stomache for digestion > process and in turn allows other pathogens which > wouldn't normally grow in the stomache. These drugs > etc cause small leaks in the stomache and bowel. > > Leaky Gut can be contributed to many issues that an > Allopathic Dr ( medical) would not normally test or > look for. > > Jenny Kernan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 >I just didn't know why my body wasn't > absorbing the Vitamin D that I was obviously getting from the sun. I > will continue my supplements but am still baffled by this. Last Saturday I was listening to a local radio show about health issues and there were some docs on who were recommending genetic testing for things like this. I called b/c I was dxd w/osteoporosis at a young age (30), and they were saying that calcium supplements are virtually useless (in general, not just for osteoporosis). They said that there are some people, one of these docs included, who are genetically unable to absorb vitamin D from the sun, and that the only way to determine for sure is a $300 genetic test (used to be $3K). They said that vitamin D3 can be easily absorbed sublingually, and is very useful. Unfortunately, I can't give you specifics, but here's a link to the show: http://www.patricktimpone.com/radioshow.asp I don't have the money for the test, so I'm using topical progesterone for the osteoporosis, and hoping my body's absorbing the vitamin D I need from passive sunlight I get all day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 ---it sounds like an absorption problem , would suggest you look at ways of increasing absorption , this could involve detoxing massage colinics i have a file on this e mail me pho and i will send phill In , Zakam <zakam wrote: > > I am looking for some information and treatment options to Vitamin D > deficiency. Here's my story in a nutshell: > > I am 46 y.o. female with a family history or rheumatoid/osteoarthritis. > Last summer at a routine physical a blood test came back with low vit. > D. Dr. prescribed 1,000 units vit. D daily. What first concerned me > about the results of the test was that at the time of the test, I was > extremely suntanned. We spend great deals of time outside on the boat > in the summer so I was getting at least 2-6 hours of sunshine a day. > > I just went back for a re-check (6 months have past) taking my 1,000 > units of vit. D (fairly regularly, at least 3-4 days a week). My > vitamin D is still low and the Dr. wants me to take 2,000 units per day > of Vit. D. > > Couple of concerns and questions: > > 1. Why would my Vit. D level be so low with so much sun exposure on a > daily basis? > 2. Could the low Vit. D be indicative of something else going on in my > body? > 3. Does this low D have any connection to rheumatoid or osteoarthritis? > 4. Are there any other alternatives to take the Vit. D in pill form? > > Thank you for your time. > > > Lori > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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