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Health Problems among People with PTSD and Diabetes PTSD has been found to be

associated with a number of different physical health problems

such as heart, respiratory, digestive, and reproductory problems and

disease. In addition, PTSD has also been found to be related to

autoimmune diseases such as HIV/AIDS, arthritis, and diabetes. PTSD andDiabetes

Studies

have found that individuals with PTSD are more likely to have diabetes.

The unhealthy behaviors often associated with PTSD (for example,

smoking, substance use, poor eating habits) may place a person at risk

for developing diabetes. zSB(3,3) Specific Health Problems among People

with PTSD and Diabetes Researchers

at the State University of New York Upstate Medical University and the

VA Medical Center in Syracuse, New York, examined the specific

health-related problems among people with both PTSD and diabetes. They

identified 14,795 military veterans with diabetes and looked at whether

or not the veterans had PTSD, depression, or other psychiatric diagnoses.

Participants

were divided into four groups: people with depression and PTSD, people

with PTSD but not depression, people with depression but not PTSD,

people with other psychiatric diagnoses besides PTSD and depression,

and people without any psychiatric diagnoses. Across these different

groups, they then examined differences on a number of different

health-related factors, such as glycemic control, cholesterol levels (total

cholesterol, LDL, and HDL), triglycerides, weight, body mass index (BMI). The

researchers found that compared to other groups, people with both PTSD and

depression: had worse total cholesterol levels and LDL had

highertriglyceride levels weighed more had a higher BMI. In

regard to glycemic control, however, people with only depression had

poorer glycemic control than people with PTSD or both PTSD and

depression. Improving Your Physical and Mental Health PTSD

and related conditions like depression can have a major impact on a

person's health, and people with a pre-existing medical conditions,

such as diabetes, who have PTSD and/or depression may be particularly

at risk for health problems. If you have diabetes and PTSD, make sure

that you take steps to effectively manage your diabetes, in addition to getting

treatment for your PTSD. Sources: Goodwin,

R.D., & amp; Davidson, J.R. (2005).Self-reported diabetes and

posttraumatic stress disordera mong adults in the community. Preventive

Medicine, 40, 570-574. Green, B.L., & amp; Kimerling, R. (2004). Trauma, PTSD,

and health status. In P.P. Schurr & amp; B.L. Green (Eds.), Physical health

consequences of exposure to extreme stress (pp. 13-42). Washington DC: American

Psychological Association. Trief,

P.M., Ouimette, P., Wade, M., Shanahan, P., & amp; Weinstock, R.S.

(2006). Post-traumatic stress disorder and diabetes: Co-morbidity and

outcomes in a male veterans sample. Journal of Behavioral Medicine, 29, 411-418.

Weisberg,

R.B., Bruce, S.E., Machan, J.T., Kessler, R.C., Culpepper, L., & amp;

Keller, M.B. (2002). Nonpsychiatric illness among primary care patients

with trauma histories and posttraumatic stress disorder. Psychiatric Services,

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What is PTSD??

 

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Health Problems among People with PTSD and Diabetes PTSD has been

found to be associated with a number of different physical health

problems

such as heart, respiratory, digestive, and reproductory problems and

disease. In addition, PTSD has also been found to be related to

autoimmune diseases such as HIV/AIDS, arthritis, and diabetes. PTSD

andDiabetes Studies

have found that individuals with PTSD are more likely to have diabetes.

The unhealthy behaviors often associated with PTSD (for example,

smoking, substance use, poor eating habits) may place a person at risk

for developing diabetes. zSB(3,3) Specific Health Problems among

People with PTSD and Diabetes Researchers

at the State University of New York Upstate Medical University and the

VA Medical Center in Syracuse, New York, examined the specific

health-related problems among people with both PTSD and diabetes. They

identified 14,795 military veterans with diabetes and looked at whether

or not the veterans had PTSD, depression, or other psychiatric diagnoses.

Participants

were divided into four groups: people with depression and PTSD, people

with PTSD but not depression, people with depression but not PTSD,

people with other psychiatric diagnoses besides PTSD and depression,

and people without any psychiatric diagnoses. Across these different

groups, they then examined differences on a number of different

health-related factors, such as glycemic control, cholesterol levels

(total cholesterol, LDL, and HDL), triglycerides, weight, body mass index

(BMI). The researchers found that compared to other groups, people with

both PTSD and depression: had worse total cholesterol levels and LDL

had highertriglyceride levels weighed more had a higher BMI. In

regard to glycemic control, however, people with only depression had

poorer glycemic control than people with PTSD or both PTSD and

depression. Improving Your Physical and Mental Health PTSD

and related conditions like depression can have a major impact on a

person's health, and people with a pre-existing medical conditions,

such as diabetes, who have PTSD and/or depression may be particularly

at risk for health problems. If you have diabetes and PTSD, make sure

that you take steps to effectively manage your diabetes, in addition to

getting treatment for your PTSD. Sources: Goodwin,

R.D., & amp; Davidson, J.R. (2005).Self-reported diabetes and

posttraumatic stress disordera mong adults in the community. Preventive

Medicine, 40, 570-574. Green, B.L., & amp; Kimerling, R. (2004). Trauma,

PTSD, and health status. In P.P. Schurr & amp; B.L. Green (Eds.), Physical

health consequences of exposure to extreme stress (pp. 13-42). Washington

DC: American Psychological Association. Trief,

P.M., Ouimette, P., Wade, M., Shanahan, P., & amp; Weinstock, R.S.

(2006). Post-traumatic stress disorder and diabetes: Co-morbidity and

outcomes in a male veterans sample. Journal of Behavioral Medicine, 29,

411-418. Weisberg,

R.B., Bruce, S.E., Machan, J.T., Kessler, R.C., Culpepper, L., & amp;

Keller, M.B. (2002). Nonpsychiatric illness among primary care patients

with trauma histories and posttraumatic stress disorder. Psychiatric

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Hello Thea,

 

PTSD is Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. It is a common problem for

veterans returning from war and people who have experienced other

kinds of trauma. During some of the early wars, it was called " Shell

Shock, " and might bring to mind veterans jumping in a ditch when a

car backfires.

 

I am a Desert Storm veteran and felt a very mild form of PTSD when I

returned from Saudi Arabia and recognized it immediately. It is a

repeating memory or thought pattern that never goes away, Vietnam

vets seem to have gotten the worst of it because of the surrounding

sentiment of the war.

 

Veterans describe it as a record that plays in their head over and

over again, never ending. I've known some Vietnam veterans who will

check the doors and windows of their home ritualistically many times

throughout the day and night because they still find themselves there

in the war and fighting for their life.

 

I would love to try the technique of regressive hypnosis I use to

help these veterans. I personally believe the pain is deep seated

and requires a mind, body, and spirit holistic look to treat it. I

realize this is a very simple explanation for PTSD. It seems to be

much more complicated. This will give you an idea.

 

Sending you love and light...

 

 

Sharon

http://foru2bhealed.angelfire.com/

http://health.gnosticholistichealingcenter/

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, thelma m noble

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>

> What is PTSD??

>

> thea

>

>

>

>

>

> --------- Forwarded message ----------

> " Pratham " <pratham

> dimpill_gang

> Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:30:00 -0400 (EDT)

> Health Problems among People with

PTSD and

> Diabetes

> Message-ID: <20071022113000.996D5469D4

>

>

> Health Problems among People with PTSD and Diabetes PTSD has been

> found to be associated with a number of different physical health

> problems

> such as heart, respiratory, digestive, and reproductory problems and

> disease. In addition, PTSD has also been found to be related to

> autoimmune diseases such as HIV/AIDS, arthritis, and diabetes. PTSD

> andDiabetes Studies

> have found that individuals with PTSD are more likely to have

diabetes.

> The unhealthy behaviors often associated with PTSD (for example,

> smoking, substance use, poor eating habits) may place a person at

risk

> for developing diabetes. zSB(3,3) Specific Health Problems

among

> People with PTSD and Diabetes Researchers

> at the State University of New York Upstate Medical University and

the

> VA Medical Center in Syracuse, New York, examined the specific

> health-related problems among people with both PTSD and diabetes.

They

> identified 14,795 military veterans with diabetes and looked at

whether

> or not the veterans had PTSD, depression, or other psychiatric

diagnoses.

> Participants

> were divided into four groups: people with depression and PTSD,

people

> with PTSD but not depression, people with depression but not PTSD,

> people with other psychiatric diagnoses besides PTSD and depression,

> and people without any psychiatric diagnoses. Across these different

> groups, they then examined differences on a number of different

> health-related factors, such as glycemic control, cholesterol levels

> (total cholesterol, LDL, and HDL), triglycerides, weight, body mass

index

> (BMI). The researchers found that compared to other groups, people

with

> both PTSD and depression: had worse total cholesterol levels

and LDL

> had highertriglyceride levels weighed more had a higher BMI. In

> regard to glycemic control, however, people with only depression had

> poorer glycemic control than people with PTSD or both PTSD and

> depression. Improving Your Physical and Mental Health PTSD

> and related conditions like depression can have a major impact on a

> person's health, and people with a pre-existing medical conditions,

> such as diabetes, who have PTSD and/or depression may be

particularly

> at risk for health problems. If you have diabetes and PTSD, make

sure

> that you take steps to effectively manage your diabetes, in

addition to

> getting treatment for your PTSD. Sources: Goodwin,

> R.D., & amp; Davidson, J.R. (2005).Self-reported diabetes and

> posttraumatic stress disordera mong adults in the community.

Preventive

> Medicine, 40, 570-574. Green, B.L., & amp; Kimerling, R. (2004).

Trauma,

> PTSD, and health status. In P.P. Schurr & amp; B.L. Green (Eds.),

Physical

> health consequences of exposure to extreme stress (pp. 13-42).

Washington

> DC: American Psychological Association. Trief,

> P.M., Ouimette, P., Wade, M., Shanahan, P., & amp; Weinstock, R.S.

> (2006). Post-traumatic stress disorder and diabetes: Co-morbidity

and

> outcomes in a male veterans sample. Journal of Behavioral Medicine,

29,

> 411-418. Weisberg,

> R.B., Bruce, S.E., Machan, J.T., Kessler, R.C., Culpepper, L., & amp;

> Keller, M.B. (2002). Nonpsychiatric illness among primary care

patients

> with trauma histories and posttraumatic stress disorder. Psychiatric

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post traumatic stress disorder.

It's where your physiological body and mind finally appear strong enough to

rehash trauma in one's past. It's a very scary thing.

Jess

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thelma m noble

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:45 PM

Fw: Health Problems among People with PTSD and

Diabetes

 

 

What is PTSD??

 

thea

 

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" Pratham " <pratham

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Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:30:00 -0400 (EDT)

Health Problems among People with PTSD and

Diabetes

Message-ID: <20071022113000.996D5469D4

 

 

Health Problems among People with PTSD and Diabetes PTSD has been

found to be associated with a number of different physical health

problems

such as heart, respiratory, digestive, and reproductory problems and

disease. In addition, PTSD has also been found to be related to

autoimmune diseases such as HIV/AIDS, arthritis, and diabetes. PTSD

andDiabetes Studies

have found that individuals with PTSD are more likely to have diabetes.

The unhealthy behaviors often associated with PTSD (for example,

smoking, substance use, poor eating habits) may place a person at risk

for developing diabetes. zSB(3,3) Specific Health Problems among

People with PTSD and Diabetes Researchers

at the State University of New York Upstate Medical University and the

VA Medical Center in Syracuse, New York, examined the specific

health-related problems among people with both PTSD and diabetes. They

identified 14,795 military veterans with diabetes and looked at whether

or not the veterans had PTSD, depression, or other psychiatric diagnoses.

Participants

were divided into four groups: people with depression and PTSD, people

with PTSD but not depression, people with depression but not PTSD,

people with other psychiatric diagnoses besides PTSD and depression,

and people without any psychiatric diagnoses. Across these different

groups, they then examined differences on a number of different

health-related factors, such as glycemic control, cholesterol levels

(total cholesterol, LDL, and HDL), triglycerides, weight, body mass index

(BMI). The researchers found that compared to other groups, people with

both PTSD and depression: had worse total cholesterol levels and LDL

had highertriglyceride levels weighed more had a higher BMI. In

regard to glycemic control, however, people with only depression had

poorer glycemic control than people with PTSD or both PTSD and

depression. Improving Your Physical and Mental Health PTSD

and related conditions like depression can have a major impact on a

person's health, and people with a pre-existing medical conditions,

such as diabetes, who have PTSD and/or depression may be particularly

at risk for health problems. If you have diabetes and PTSD, make sure

that you take steps to effectively manage your diabetes, in addition to

getting treatment for your PTSD. Sources: Goodwin,

R.D., & amp; Davidson, J.R. (2005).Self-reported diabetes and

posttraumatic stress disordera mong adults in the community. Preventive

Medicine, 40, 570-574. Green, B.L., & amp; Kimerling, R. (2004). Trauma,

PTSD, and health status. In P.P. Schurr & amp; B.L. Green (Eds.), Physical

health consequences of exposure to extreme stress (pp. 13-42). Washington

DC: American Psychological Association. Trief,

P.M., Ouimette, P., Wade, M., Shanahan, P., & amp; Weinstock, R.S.

(2006). Post-traumatic stress disorder and diabetes: Co-morbidity and

outcomes in a male veterans sample. Journal of Behavioral Medicine, 29,

411-418. Weisberg,

R.B., Bruce, S.E., Machan, J.T., Kessler, R.C., Culpepper, L., & amp;

Keller, M.B. (2002). Nonpsychiatric illness among primary care patients

with trauma histories and posttraumatic stress disorder. Psychiatric

Services, 53, 848-854.Group Moderatordimpill_gang

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Thank you, Jess.

 

We just wish there was something we could do to lessen the impact of

y'all

having to fight for our freedom when the rest of us seem to not be

impacted by this.

 

May God help America and help our men and women who have fought and

are fighting for our freedom.

 

God bless America.

 

thea

 

 

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post traumatic stress disorder.

It's where your physiological body and mind finally appear strong enough

to rehash trauma in one's past. It's a very scary thing.

Jess

-

thelma m noble

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:45 PM

Fw: Health Problems among People with

PTSD and Diabetes

 

 

What is PTSD??

 

thea

 

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" Pratham " <pratham

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Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:30:00 -0400 (EDT)

Health Problems among People with PTSD

and

Diabetes

Message-ID: <20071022113000.996D5469D4

 

 

Health Problems among People with PTSD and Diabetes PTSD has been

found to be associated with a number of different physical health

problems

such as heart, respiratory, digestive, and reproductory problems and

disease. In addition, PTSD has also been found to be related to

autoimmune diseases such as HIV/AIDS, arthritis, and diabetes. PTSD

andDiabetes Studies

have found that individuals with PTSD are more likely to have diabetes.

The unhealthy behaviors often associated with PTSD (for example,

smoking, substance use, poor eating habits) may place a person at risk

for developing diabetes. zSB(3,3) Specific Health Problems among

People with PTSD and Diabetes Researchers

at the State University of New York Upstate Medical University and the

VA Medical Center in Syracuse, New York, examined the specific

health-related problems among people with both PTSD and diabetes. They

identified 14,795 military veterans with diabetes and looked at whether

or not the veterans had PTSD, depression, or other psychiatric

diagnoses.

Participants

were divided into four groups: people with depression and PTSD, people

with PTSD but not depression, people with depression but not PTSD,

people with other psychiatric diagnoses besides PTSD and depression,

and people without any psychiatric diagnoses. Across these different

groups, they then examined differences on a number of different

health-related factors, such as glycemic control, cholesterol levels

(total cholesterol, LDL, and HDL), triglycerides, weight, body mass

index

(BMI). The researchers found that compared to other groups, people with

both PTSD and depression: had worse total cholesterol levels and LDL

had highertriglyceride levels weighed more had a higher BMI. In

regard to glycemic control, however, people with only depression had

poorer glycemic control than people with PTSD or both PTSD and

depression. Improving Your Physical and Mental Health PTSD

and related conditions like depression can have a major impact on a

person's health, and people with a pre-existing medical conditions,

such as diabetes, who have PTSD and/or depression may be particularly

at risk for health problems. If you have diabetes and PTSD, make sure

that you take steps to effectively manage your diabetes, in addition to

getting treatment for your PTSD. Sources: Goodwin,

R.D., & amp; Davidson, J.R. (2005).Self-reported diabetes and

posttraumatic stress disordera mong adults in the community. Preventive

Medicine, 40, 570-574. Green, B.L., & amp; Kimerling, R. (2004). Trauma,

PTSD, and health status. In P.P. Schurr & amp; B.L. Green (Eds.),

Physical

health consequences of exposure to extreme stress (pp. 13-42).

Washington

DC: American Psychological Association. Trief,

P.M., Ouimette, P., Wade, M., Shanahan, P., & amp; Weinstock, R.S.

(2006). Post-traumatic stress disorder and diabetes: Co-morbidity and

outcomes in a male veterans sample. Journal of Behavioral Medicine, 29,

411-418. Weisberg,

R.B., Bruce, S.E., Machan, J.T., Kessler, R.C., Culpepper, L., & amp;

Keller, M.B. (2002). Nonpsychiatric illness among primary care patients

with trauma histories and posttraumatic stress disorder. Psychiatric

Services, 53, 848-854.Group

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Sharon wrote:

 

I would love to try the technique of regressive hypnosis I use to

help these veterans. I personally believe the pain is deep seated

and requires a mind, body, and spirit holistic look to treat it. >

 

Sharon, have you seen the work Gary Craig, the founder of EFT,

did with Vietnam vets? There is a video about it. These poor

men had become so traumatized that they could not function in

society. They had been in this veteran's hospital for 20 years.

I'll see if I still have it, you'd be welcome to a copy.

 

Ien in the Kootenays

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Ien,

 

EFT appears to be a healing therapy, working with the energy

meridians of the body. Thanks for sharing it with me. I am also

doing and continue to study healing. Everyone seems to do healing a

little different. From what I can tell, it works similarily to

regressive hypnosis in clearing the debris (we call it cell memory)

causing the problem.

 

I have worked with functional PTSD veterans, those living outside the

veteran's hospitals for the most part prior to being trained to do

hypnosis. I am not suggesting hypnosis as a cure for PTSD. I

believe hypnosis can only help someone willing to allow the process.

It is participative. Actually, I believe so is healing.

 

I am excited at the results I have seen hypnosis and healing in my

own work help a multitude of problems. The technique I use is Sylvia

Browne's, and I have seen no studies to indicate her technique of

regressive hypnosis has been attempted on PTSD veterans. She does

describe in her book Past Life, Future Healing, helping PTSD victims

of other types of traumas.

 

If I were a victim of PTSD or had a loved one experiencing this, I'd

do whatever it took to try to bring them back into society. My heart

goes out to all veterans who have experienced the horrors of war.

 

Sending love and light...

 

 

Sharon

http://foru2bhealed.angelfire.com/

 

 

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<ienvan wrote:

>

> Sharon wrote:

>

> I would love to try the technique of regressive hypnosis I use to

> help these veterans. I personally believe the pain is deep seated

> and requires a mind, body, and spirit holistic look to treat it. >

>

> Sharon, have you seen the work Gary Craig, the founder of EFT,

> did with Vietnam vets? There is a video about it. These poor

> men had become so traumatized that they could not function in

> society. They had been in this veteran's hospital for 20 years.

> I'll see if I still have it, you'd be welcome to a copy.

>

> Ien in the Kootenays

> http://freegreenliving.com

>

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Hi Sharron-i would love to have a copy of this if possible-i am happy to pay for

it-i am interested in all forms of healing and my friend swears by the eft

method and has just sent me a couple of dvds about the tapping

technique-unfortunately we had a black out last night and i couldn't watch

them-------Thanks for info

 

Ieneke van Houten <ienvan wrote: Sharon

wrote:

 

I would love to try the technique of regressive hypnosis I use to

help these veterans. I personally believe the pain is deep seated

and requires a mind, body, and spirit holistic look to treat it. >

 

Sharon, have you seen the work Gary Craig, the founder of EFT,

did with Vietnam vets? There is a video about it. These poor

men had become so traumatized that they could not function in

society. They had been in this veteran's hospital for 20 years.

I'll see if I still have it, you'd be welcome to a copy.

 

Ien in the Kootenays

http://freegreenliving.com

 

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Cheryl,

 

I do regressive and behaviorial hypnosis in person. I have not

created a CD for PTSD. I am not sure I'd want to do that long

distance. I'd want to be in the room and help a client through this

process.

 

If you are referring to Ieneke's suggestion about EFT, I found a

website for that at http://www.emofree.com/newcomer.htm It looks

like some interesting work with some great indorsements from familar

faces in healing.

 

You are welcome to contact me further about the regressive hypnosis I

am referring to at foru2bhealed. I will try to explain

anything you would like to know.

 

 

 

Sharon

http://foru2bhealed.angelfire.com/

http://health.gnosticholistichealingcenter/

 

 

 

 

 

 

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<cooee.shari wrote:

>

> Hi Sharron-i would love to have a copy of this if possible-i am

happy to pay for it-i am interested in all forms of healing and my

friend swears by the eft method and has just sent me a couple of

dvds about the tapping technique-unfortunately we had a black out

last night and i couldn't watch them-------Thanks for info

>

> Ieneke van Houten <ienvan wrote:

Sharon wrote:

>

> I would love to try the technique of regressive hypnosis I use to

> help these veterans. I personally believe the pain is deep seated

> and requires a mind, body, and spirit holistic look to treat it. >

>

> Sharon, have you seen the work Gary Craig, the founder of EFT,

> did with Vietnam vets? There is a video about it. These poor

> men had become so traumatized that they could not function in

> society. They had been in this veteran's hospital for 20 years.

> I'll see if I still have it, you'd be welcome to a copy.

>

> Ien in the Kootenays

> http://freegreenliving.com

>

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