Question about natural induction of labor

[Guest guest]

I just found out that I am losing my insurance two days before my due

date. Everyone is telling me to induce with pitocin before my

insurance runs out, but I don't want to do that because of the

increased risks associated with that sort of induction. I'd like to

try to induce naturally before my insurance runs out, if I can. I

know nothing is going to make the baby come out if its not ready, but

I want to try. I know several methods midwives suggest, sex, walking,

nipple stimulation, red raspberry leaf tea, evening primrose oil. I

won't do the castor oil thing, I've heard too many horror stories.

Sex is also out of the question, because I am single. But everything

else seems like an option for me. When should I start taking evening

primrose oil? I have heard I should take it orally and vaginally,

does anyone know the proceedure? Any suggestions on any of these

methods, or if you know others, would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Here is what worked for me! I was threatened with a cesarean many years

ago, if I did not go into labor in the next 24 hours. Your uterus shares

it's walls with your intestines. If you eat something that causes a lot of

" intestinal activity " you may stimulate labor. I made a big plate of navy

beans, and went for a long walk in a park. Then I came home and took a

laxative. I was in the hospital at 3AM in labor....

 

My mother had nine children (bless her) and used this method with great

success several times.

 

On 9/12/07, remindersofthen <remindersofthen wrote:

>

> I just found out that I am losing my insurance two days before my due

> date. Everyone is telling me to induce with pitocin before my

> insurance runs out, but I don't want to do that because of the

> increased risks associated with that sort of induction. I'd like to

> try to induce naturally before my insurance runs out, if I can. I

> know nothing is going to make the baby come out if its not ready, but

> I want to try. I know several methods midwives suggest, sex, walking,

> nipple stimulation, red raspberry leaf tea, evening primrose oil. I

> won't do the castor oil thing, I've heard too many horror stories.

> Sex is also out of the question, because I am single. But everything

> else seems like an option for me. When should I start taking evening

> primrose oil? I have heard I should take it orally and vaginally,

> does anyone know the proceedure? Any suggestions on any of these

> methods, or if you know others, would be greatly appreciated.

> Thanks!

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

Mary Alford

 

Mary Alford, LLC (Green Building, Energy Star Consultations)

 

www.chemohairapy.com

Useful Gifts for Cancer Patients!

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Years ago, when I had my first baby whose 25 now, they

used to give us enemas to clean us out before

delivery. For some of us it also induced labor.

 

I'm going to make some people unhappy with my

statement here. Babies should be born when they are

ready and not before. There is an important reaction

that takes place that is necessary for balance during

and after birth.

 

r. Janov writes about it in his book " Imprints: the

life long effects of the birthing experience " . I

strongly agree with his theories as I work with

clients all the time that have birthing issues as an

underlying cause for health and well being issues

later in life.

 

Now after labor has started you can do things to

encourage it to progress faster naturally. I was in

the delivery room with my daughter with the drs.

permission I used biofeedback on her to help her

relax, balance her hormones, neurotransmitters, pain

etc and we have a healthy happy 11 month old.

 

 

Jenny Kernan

Quantum Biofeedback Therapist

www.quantumassociatesofutah.com

 

--- Mary Alford <mary.alford wrote:

 

> Here is what worked for me! I was threatened with a

> cesarean many years

> ago, if I did not go into labor in the next 24

> hours. Your uterus shares

> it's walls with your intestines. If you eat

> something that causes a lot of

> " intestinal activity " you may stimulate labor. I

> made a big plate of navy

> beans, and went for a long walk in a park. Then I

> came home and took a

> laxative. I was in the hospital at 3AM in labor....

>

> My mother had nine children (bless her) and used

> this method with great

> success several times.

>

> On 9/12/07, remindersofthen

> <remindersofthen wrote:

> >

> > I just found out that I am losing my insurance

> two days before my due

> > date. Everyone is telling me to induce with

> pitocin before my

> > insurance runs out, but I don't want to do that

> because of the

> > increased risks associated with that sort of

> induction. I'd like to

> > try to induce naturally before my insurance runs

> out, if I can. I

> > know nothing is going to make the baby come out if

> its not ready, but

> > I want to try. I know several methods midwives

> suggest, sex, walking,

> > nipple stimulation, red raspberry leaf tea,

> evening primrose oil. I

> > won't do the castor oil thing, I've heard too many

> horror stories.

> > Sex is also out of the question, because I am

> single. But everything

> > else seems like an option for me. When should I

> start taking evening

> > primrose oil? I have heard I should take it orally

> and vaginally,

> > does anyone know the proceedure? Any suggestions

> on any of these

> > methods, or if you know others, would be greatly

> appreciated.

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Mary Alford

>

> Mary Alford, LLC (Green Building, Energy Star

> Consultations)

>

> www.chemohairapy.com

> Useful Gifts for Cancer Patients!

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am in my seventies and when the babies were not born on time in my day, they

used to give the mothers a dose of castor oil. That usually started labor.

Margi

-

Mary Alford

Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:19 AM

Re: Question about natural induction of labor

 

 

Here is what worked for me! I was threatened with a cesarean many years

ago, if I did not go into labor in the next 24 hours. Your uterus shares

it's walls with your intestines. If you eat something that causes a lot of

" intestinal activity " you may stimulate labor. I made a big plate of navy

beans, and went for a long walk in a park. Then I came home and took a

laxative. I was in the hospital at 3AM in labor....

 

My mother had nine children (bless her) and used this method with great

success several times.

 

On 9/12/07, remindersofthen <remindersofthen wrote:

>

> I just found out that I am losing my insurance two days before my due

> date. Everyone is telling me to induce with pitocin before my

> insurance runs out, but I don't want to do that because of the

> increased risks associated with that sort of induction. I'd like to

> try to induce naturally before my insurance runs out, if I can. I

> know nothing is going to make the baby come out if its not ready, but

> I want to try. I know several methods midwives suggest, sex, walking,

> nipple stimulation, red raspberry leaf tea, evening primrose oil. I

> won't do the castor oil thing, I've heard too many horror stories.

> Sex is also out of the question, because I am single. But everything

> else seems like an option for me. When should I start taking evening

> primrose oil? I have heard I should take it orally and vaginally,

> does anyone know the proceedure? Any suggestions on any of these

> methods, or if you know others, would be greatly appreciated.

> Thanks!

>

>

>

 

--

Mary Alford

 

Mary Alford, LLC (Green Building, Energy Star Consultations)

 

www.chemohairapy.com

Useful Gifts for Cancer Patients!

 

[Guest guest]

accchhheeemmmmm *clearing my throat*

 

the reason sex works is the ummmm activity on the cervix

ummmmmmmmmmm ummmmmmmmmmmm

" things " those substitues type things could be used

 

the hormones released with uuuuummmmmmmmm " o " help as well

 

My dad's momma who also had lots of kids had a combo tactic.. and she

told each one of us as we decided to have kids

Her " Triple-Threat " worked for her daughter, her sons wives

(including my mom), me & both of my sisters..... in each case, we

were able to say 1 - 2 days ahead of time... IT WILL BE HERE WITHIN

72 hours.

 

1) Roughage for a week with plenty of warm liquids.. she got to a

point where when she decided the baby had baked long enough & the doc

said anyday now... she would eat tons of celery... why celery I am

not sure other than it is roughage, is there more than that, I don't

know.... and she would simply warm water to the temp of drinking

coffee and do that each morning & each evening.

2) Walk... walk.... walk some more... if you can, bounce a little

while you walk... slight jaring is what you are after

3) Sex (or in your case, sex substitute)

 

 

I also remember her saying if ya constipated, add glycerin

supposatory... I don't know if anyone ever even had to to do that...

I drank so much durn water that drying out was not an issue for my

body.

 

I was able to use this technique to have my son born on veteran's day

(so he was always out of school on his Bday) instead of a week later.

 

My sister used this as an attempt to have her daughter on my mom's

bday instead of 10 days later... the baby was only 1 day late for our

mom's bday.

 

My mom used it so my brother was born on labor day.. granted that

changes every year.. but that particular year, he was due 5 days

after labor day, so she decided why not have Brian when alot of folks

had the day off work.

 

 

I don't know about the Primrose... It would make sense that if would

slightly shift estrogen levels.

 

Angela

 

 

 

, " Mary Alford "

<mary.alford wrote:

>

> Here is what worked for me! I was threatened with a cesarean many

years

> ago, if I did not go into labor in the next 24 hours. Your uterus

shares

> it's walls with your intestines. If you eat something that causes

a lot of

> " intestinal activity " you may stimulate labor. I made a big plate

of navy

> beans, and went for a long walk in a park. Then I came home and

took a

> laxative. I was in the hospital at 3AM in labor....

>

> My mother had nine children (bless her) and used this method with

great

> success several times.

>

> On 9/12/07, remindersofthen <remindersofthen wrote:

> >

> > I just found out that I am losing my insurance two days before

my due

> > date. Everyone is telling me to induce with pitocin before my

> > insurance runs out, but I don't want to do that because of the

> > increased risks associated with that sort of induction. I'd like

to

> > try to induce naturally before my insurance runs out, if I can. I

> > know nothing is going to make the baby come out if its not ready,

but

> > I want to try. I know several methods midwives suggest, sex,

walking,

> > nipple stimulation, red raspberry leaf tea, evening primrose oil.

I

> > won't do the castor oil thing, I've heard too many horror stories.

> > Sex is also out of the question, because I am single. But

everything

> > else seems like an option for me. When should I start taking

evening

> > primrose oil? I have heard I should take it orally and vaginally,

> > does anyone know the proceedure? Any suggestions on any of these

> > methods, or if you know others, would be greatly appreciated.

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Mary Alford

>

> Mary Alford, LLC (Green Building, Energy Star Consultations)

>

> www.chemohairapy.com

> Useful Gifts for Cancer Patients!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I'm going to make some people unhappy with my statement here.

> Babies should be born when they are ready and not before. There is

> an important reaction that takes place that is necessary for

> balance during and after birth.

 

Essentially Jenny, I'm going to agree with you .. and make a lot more people

unhappy .. with me this time.

 

25 years working as a Transpersonal Psychologist .. and delivering a number of

babies as a midwife .. and working with up to 5 generations of different

families has taught me a lot.

 

There are some reasons why a mother cannot deliver a child naturally .. and

birth time is not the time to work on these. Often, they are genetic and a

C-section can be required.

 

However, for people who have deep unconscious memories of their own difficult

birth and childhood, there is often an unwillingness to allow birth.

 

Many mothers can actually fear their child .. and how they will cope.

 

For some mothers who are caught in their own survival issues, the inherent fear

also obstructs or retards childbirth.

 

A child who has been held back in birth will be held back through all of their

life 'new beginnings'.

 

A child who is induced will repeat that pattern of needing to be induced

everytime there is a need to face a new challenge in life.

 

A child who is born with pethedine will have a 75% chance of needing a drug to

face life's challenges .. especially if the pethedine crossed the placental

barrier or enters the breast milk.

 

A child who is born to replace one who has died from a mother has not dealt with

her grief will always be " second best to an angel " .. and the imaginary friends

are the thought-form projections of mother's unresolved grief ..

 

and so the list goes on ... don't even get me started on what damage prayer can

do to the child when it grows to be 40+ years old .. how it can affect both the

immune system and the central nervous system

 

then .. the child who is burdened by being needed to be born on someone's

birthday. Later through life, that child will develop a multiple personality ..

its own and the personality of the memory.

 

It is possible to look at every human and what surrounds there 2nd, 7th, 14th,

21st, 28th, 35th, 42nd and so on birthday .. and from that determine exactly the

circumstances of their birth .. including all of the thoughts, feelings and

emotions.

 

It is possible to look at the patterns of thoughts, feelings and emotions that

repeat every year on their birthday .. and determine what sort of birth they had

and, their mother's feelings around that birth.

 

HOWEVER .. if the birth is approached from a holistic perspective and, as some

have suggested, use natural methods to assist the birth at its appropriate time,

then the impact of all of this will be lessened ..

 

and I know this is a bit off the topic ...

 

but, for those mothers who have had a termination, the womb retains the memory

of the termination and this is the environment into which every subsequent

conception takes place.

 

and people wonder at the increase in teenage attempted suicides ... they take

place on the anniversary of the gestational date when the abortion took place.

 

then, I could go on about the effects of a baby not getting the colostrum in the

mother's first milk .. if you don't, you'll likely end up with clinical

depression or bi-polar due to glutamate intolerance in later life ...

 

and the worst part of all of this ...

 

if the child is a female, her own children will be born with all of the memories

... and pass these on to the grandchildren ..

 

but .. mother is not to blame .. up until now, she has done the very best she

could with the information she has had available .. her own life experience ..

and considering that for nearly 2000 years, the word 'sin' .. as in " original

sin " comes from the Aramaic .. meaning 'the feminine'.

 

yes .. underneath it all, according to Rome, every child is born from sin ... no

matter what mother does. So what does that memory do to the uterus and pelvic

floor of female .. especially when she is about to give birth!

 

if you can find a very good Yoga teacher who knows these things, then birth can

be done with pure sound, no pushing, no labor .. only pure orgasmic ecstasy as

the child birth itself .. with no pain afterwards.

 

but that mother can never talk about her experience because birth is not

supposed to be like that .. unless the child is a Buddha or Jesus ...

 

but, isn't that the birthright of every child born?

 

Christopher Wynter

[Guest guest]

As I understood, a large part of what makes sex work

is the prostaglandins found in semen, which softens

the cervix. Of course, oxytocin, the hormone that

causes uterine contractions, is also released during

orgasm, and I have kept that in mind.

The idea behind the evening primrose oil is that it

also contains prostaglandins, so that might be a

replacement for semen, if only I knew exactly how to

use it.

Thanks for those other suggestions though, I will

certainly be considering every suggestion I get!

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I agree that it is best to let the baby come on its

own and there is nothing I want more than that, but

the fact of the matter is that if I don't have this

baby by the 20th of November on my own, my doctor is

going to pump me full of pitocin.

During a pitocin birth, I will experience contractions

that are stronger and more frequent than I would in a

natural birth. I will be forced to stay lying in bed

with an iv in me and an internal fetal heart monitor

screwed into my baby's scalp. Pitocin births greatly

increase the liklihood of all other interventions,

including epidurals, forceps birth, and cesarian.

Pitocin also increases the liklihood of all sorts of

complications, including the extremely rare uterine

rupture.

So what I'm looking for is an alternative to pitocin,

which I think we can all agree is far worse for the

baby than evening primrose oil or lots of walking.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Christopher,

 

I couldn't agree with you more. Yes c-section is

necessary at times. My daughter who is brain damaged

was one of those. Placenta separated and she was in

oxygen deprivation for many hours. However I do not

believe in C-sections for choosing delivery dates, or

convenience.

 

I did all of my deliveres natural...not because I knew

better or wanted to...because of a heart murmur or

they were preemies with the exception of my daugter. I

am so grateful that I did go that way.

 

I used Biofeedback to help my daughter have an easier

delivery and pregnancy with excellent results. It's

not something every Dr. will allow or understand. Not

every practitioner will perform it either because of

the possibility of lawsuits.

 

My mother was also there to help with the delivery,

she also delivered my last two. She used hypnosis to

help relax and ease the deliveries. I highly recommend

this as an alternative to medications etc which make

babies toxic from the start.

 

When you can trigger the mother bonding hormone during

delivery it makes a huge difference on the mothers

attitude towards her baby and the bonding takes place

through the whole delivery.

 

I so totally agree with the issues you spoke about and

yes I have personally worked on children of mothers

who aborted, miscarried or stillbirthed. Those issues

run deeply, painfully and many times are exactly what

is blocking the client. When those issues/memories are

released the healing is spontaneous and immediate.

 

One client whose mother had lost a baby prior to her

birth, took a beautiful baby doll to her mother to

help her let go. The mother still birthed and was not

allowed to see her baby when it was born. The babydoll

was a therapy so the mother could have some form of

closure. This allowed both the mother and daughter to

heal. When the mother started to heal the daughter did

also and no longer had to compete with a baby that

never lived.

 

Yes the body does carry a cellular memory of anything

that has been done to it. It also carries the memory

of organs that have been removed, which in turn causes

blockages to healing and balancing the body. Healing

begins to take place when the body is allowed to

release those memories. Tonsils is a good example. I

run into clients with clogged or blocked lymphatics

and subtle irritations, unexplained sore throats etc.

When working with them I find they have had tonsils or

adenoids removed. When I work to release that memory,

the body then allows the lymphatics to run thier

natural course and the throat irritation goes away.

 

Breast milk is THE best form of food for an infant.

Formulas are notorius for malabsorption, deficiencies

and malnutrition issues. Look at the 50's and 60's

when babies did not get folic acid in their formulas,

it's necessary for brain development. The milk is made

specifically for that baby with everything in it that

baby needs, be it more fats, calories etc. It's proven

that preemies do much better when fed breast milk,

than they do formula.

 

Now they are finding that soy formulas are terrible

for babies. They can't absorb soy, their bodies are

not developed enough for it. Babies that are breast

feed have fewer health issues, are more easily soothed

etc.

 

It has been found that morning sickness is not just a

physical issue, but one that can be created via

unresolved emotional issues toward the pregnancy, the

father etc, and it can also be caused because the

mother is actually having an allergic reaction to the

pregnancy itself!

 

Just my experience

Jenny Kernan

Quantum Biofeedback Therapist

www.quantumassociatesofutah.com

 

 

 

 

--- Christopher Wynter <christopher wrote:

 

> > I'm going to make some people unhappy with my

> statement here.

> > Babies should be born when they are ready and not

> before. There is

> > an important reaction that takes place that is

> necessary for

> > balance during and after birth.

>

> Essentially Jenny, I'm going to agree with you ..

> and make a lot more people

> unhappy .. with me this time.

>

> 25 years working as a Transpersonal Psychologist ..

> and delivering a number of

> babies as a midwife .. and working with up to 5

> generations of different

> families has taught me a lot.

>

> There are some reasons why a mother cannot deliver a

> child naturally .. and

> birth time is not the time to work on these. Often,

> they are genetic and a

> C-section can be required.

>

> However, for people who have deep unconscious

> memories of their own difficult

> birth and childhood, there is often an unwillingness

> to allow birth.

>

> Many mothers can actually fear their child .. and

> how they will cope.

>

> For some mothers who are caught in their own

> survival issues, the inherent fear

> also obstructs or retards childbirth.

>

> A child who has been held back in birth will be held

> back through all of their

> life 'new beginnings'.

>

> A child who is induced will repeat that pattern of

> needing to be induced

> everytime there is a need to face a new challenge in

> life.

>

> A child who is born with pethedine will have a 75%

> chance of needing a drug to

> face life's challenges .. especially if the

> pethedine crossed the placental

> barrier or enters the breast milk.

>

> A child who is born to replace one who has died from

> a mother has not dealt with

> her grief will always be " second best to an angel "

> .. and the imaginary friends

> are the thought-form projections of mother's

> unresolved grief ..

>

> and so the list goes on ... don't even get me

> started on what damage prayer can

> do to the child when it grows to be 40+ years old ..

> how it can affect both the

> immune system and the central nervous system

>

> then .. the child who is burdened by being needed to

> be born on someone's

> birthday. Later through life, that child will

> develop a multiple personality ..

> its own and the personality of the memory.

>

> It is possible to look at every human and what

> surrounds there 2nd, 7th, 14th,

> 21st, 28th, 35th, 42nd and so on birthday .. and

> from that determine exactly the

> circumstances of their birth .. including all of the

> thoughts, feelings and

> emotions.

>

> It is possible to look at the patterns of thoughts,

> feelings and emotions that

> repeat every year on their birthday .. and determine

> what sort of birth they had

> and, their mother's feelings around that birth.

>

> HOWEVER .. if the birth is approached from a

> holistic perspective and, as some

> have suggested, use natural methods to assist the

> birth at its appropriate time,

> then the impact of all of this will be lessened ..

>

> and I know this is a bit off the topic ...

>

> but, for those mothers who have had a termination,

> the womb retains the memory

> of the termination and this is the environment into

> which every subsequent

> conception takes place.

>

> and people wonder at the increase in teenage

> attempted suicides ... they take

> place on the anniversary of the gestational date

> when the abortion took place.

>

> then, I could go on about the effects of a baby not

> getting the colostrum in the

> mother's first milk .. if you don't, you'll likely

> end up with clinical

> depression or bi-polar due to glutamate intolerance

> in later life ...

>

> and the worst part of all of this ...

>

> if the child is a female, her own children will be

> born with all of the memories

> .. and pass these on to the grandchildren ..

>

> but .. mother is not to blame .. up until now, she

> has done the very best she

> could with the information she has had available ..

> her own life experience ..

> and considering that for nearly 2000 years, the word

> 'sin' .. as in " original

> sin " comes from the Aramaic .. meaning 'the

> feminine'.

>

> yes .. underneath it all, according to Rome, every

> child is born from sin ... no

> matter what mother does. So what does that memory do

> to the uterus and pelvic

> floor of female .. especially when she is about to

> give birth!

>

> if you can find a very good Yoga teacher who knows

> these things, then birth can

> be done with pure sound, no pushing, no labor ..

> only pure orgasmic ecstasy as

> the child birth itself .. with no pain afterwards.

>

> but that mother can never talk about her experience

> because birth is not

> supposed to be like that .. unless the child is a

> Buddha or Jesus ...

>

> but, isn't that the birthright of every child born?

>

> Christopher Wynter

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jessika,

 

You sound stressed and worried and are thinking some pretty negative

thoughts. It almost seems that you " expect " to experience the worst.

The best thing you can do is change your thinking! Relax. Visualize

your baby being ready to arrive at the perfect time. Talk to him/her

about it. Be the creator of your own beautiful birth experience!

 

And, while you're at it, take some castor oil, enjoy a spicey dinner

and indulge in great sex!

 

Relax and KNOW that everything is perfect,

Michelle

 

PS I had my only child at almost 40. My water broke 2 weeks early and

I hadn't even begun to dialate. Took 18 hours to get to 3 cm.

Therefore, I had a " Pitocin birth " . Yep, I had an IV, but I walked

the halls of my birthing center, did NOT have a monitor screwed into

my sons head, did NOT need foreceps, and had a beautiful vaginal

delivery. THINK GOOD THOUGHTS!

 

 

> During a pitocin birth, I will experience contractions

> that are stronger and more frequent than I would in a

> natural birth. I will be forced to stay lying in bed

> with an iv in me and an internal fetal heart monitor

> screwed into my baby's scalp. Pitocin births greatly

> increase the liklihood of all other interventions,

> including epidurals, forceps birth, and cesarian.

> Pitocin also increases the liklihood of all sorts of

> complications, including the extremely rare uterine

> rupture.

[Guest guest]

Jessica,

 

You do not have to have pitocin! You are in charge of

your delivery and if your dr does not respect your

wishes you need a different dr.

 

I also refused to lay there and take it! I got up,

moved around, turned on my side to deliver...it was my

easiest delivery! I read up on all the different

things I could do before I went into labor and I told

my dr I was going to do it my way unless the baby was

in stress of course. I didn't have the monitor

attached to his head, just the fetal monitor over my

belly. I didn't need forceps when I turned on my side

because I could push much easier etc. I actually broke

a record at the hospital...lol

 

I refused pit with my babies. I was forced to have it

with my first one and yes labor with pit is miserable

and not something I would recommend.

 

When I had #4 because my water had broken and he was 8

weeks early, the dr wanted to start me with pit. I

refused. He complied. My mother instead hypnotized me

and my son inutero. When HE was ready, the

contractions started all on their own and he was born

two hours later. He was on a respirator for 18 hours

only!. Most preemies do not get off it that soon. The

only reason he even had to have the respirator was

because he had the cord wrapped around his neck and

needed a little help to acclimate. No surfactants etc.

He is a beautiful 16 yr old now with no lasting

complications.

 

I have pissed off drs many times with my refusal to

let them do whatever to me and my babies. Including

changing to a new Dr in the last trimester!

 

I would find a hypnotherapist with medical

certifications and have them attend your delivery and

work with them prior to delivery to help you and your

baby prepare. It does make a huge difference.

 

Good Luck

Jenny Kernan

Quantum Biofeedback Therapist

www.quantumassociatesofutah.com

 

 

--- Jessika Stone <remindersofthen wrote:

 

> I agree that it is best to let the baby come on its

> own and there is nothing I want more than that, but

> the fact of the matter is that if I don't have this

> baby by the 20th of November on my own, my doctor is

> going to pump me full of pitocin.

> During a pitocin birth, I will experience

> contractions

> that are stronger and more frequent than I would in

> a

> natural birth. I will be forced to stay lying in

> bed

> with an iv in me and an internal fetal heart monitor

> screwed into my baby's scalp. Pitocin births

> greatly

> increase the liklihood of all other interventions,

> including epidurals, forceps birth, and cesarian.

> Pitocin also increases the liklihood of all sorts of

> complications, including the extremely rare uterine

> rupture.

> So what I'm looking for is an alternative to

> pitocin,

> which I think we can all agree is far worse for the

> baby than evening primrose oil or lots of walking.

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

OK, I just read your original post and realize sex and castor oil

aren't options.

 

I just did a Google search on natural approaches for labor induction

and found this site with some great info. Some you already have, but a

few things on here sounded great.

 

http://www.maternitycorner.com/mcmag/articles/preg0007.html

[Guest guest]

Christopher,

 

You brought up a lot of interesting topics with food for thought in this

post.

 

One of them that I am really curious about is what you said about prayer

having an effect on a 40 year old.

 

I would like to know what that means.

 

 

 

Health & Happiness To You,

~Leese

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of Christopher Wynter

Friday, September 14, 2007 12:50 AM

 

Re: Question about natural induction of labor

 

 

 

> I'm going to make some people unhappy with my statement here.

> Babies should be born when they are ready and not before. There is

> an important reaction that takes place that is necessary for

> balance during and after birth.

 

Essentially Jenny, I'm going to agree with you .. and make a lot more people

 

unhappy .. with me this time.

 

25 years working as a Transpersonal Psychologist .. and delivering a number

of

babies as a midwife .. and working with up to 5 generations of different

families has taught me a lot.

 

There are some reasons why a mother cannot deliver a child naturally .. and

birth time is not the time to work on these. Often, they are genetic and a

C-section can be required.

 

However, for people who have deep unconscious memories of their own

difficult

birth and childhood, there is often an unwillingness to allow birth.

 

Many mothers can actually fear their child .. and how they will cope.

 

For some mothers who are caught in their own survival issues, the inherent

fear

also obstructs or retards childbirth.

 

A child who has been held back in birth will be held back through all of

their

life 'new beginnings'.

 

A child who is induced will repeat that pattern of needing to be induced

everytime there is a need to face a new challenge in life.

 

A child who is born with pethedine will have a 75% chance of needing a drug

to

face life's challenges .. especially if the pethedine crossed the placental

barrier or enters the breast milk.

 

A child who is born to replace one who has died from a mother has not dealt

with

her grief will always be " second best to an angel " .. and the imaginary

friends

are the thought-form projections of mother's unresolved grief ..

 

and so the list goes on ... don't even get me started on what damage prayer

can

do to the child when it grows to be 40+ years old .. how it can affect both

the

immune system and the central nervous system

 

then .. the child who is burdened by being needed to be born on someone's

birthday. Later through life, that child will develop a multiple personality

...

its own and the personality of the memory.

 

It is possible to look at every human and what surrounds there 2nd, 7th,

14th,

21st, 28th, 35th, 42nd and so on birthday .. and from that determine exactly

the

circumstances of their birth .. including all of the thoughts, feelings and

emotions.

 

It is possible to look at the patterns of thoughts, feelings and emotions

that

repeat every year on their birthday .. and determine what sort of birth they

had

and, their mother's feelings around that birth.

 

HOWEVER .. if the birth is approached from a holistic perspective and, as

some

have suggested, use natural methods to assist the birth at its appropriate

time,

then the impact of all of this will be lessened ..

 

and I know this is a bit off the topic ...

 

but, for those mothers who have had a termination, the womb retains the

memory

of the termination and this is the environment into which every subsequent

conception takes place.

 

and people wonder at the increase in teenage attempted suicides ... they

take

place on the anniversary of the gestational date when the abortion took

place.

 

then, I could go on about the effects of a baby not getting the colostrum in

the

mother's first milk .. if you don't, you'll likely end up with clinical

depression or bi-polar due to glutamate intolerance in later life ...

 

and the worst part of all of this ...

 

if the child is a female, her own children will be born with all of the

memories

... and pass these on to the grandchildren ..

 

but .. mother is not to blame .. up until now, she has done the very best

she

could with the information she has had available .. her own life experience

...

and considering that for nearly 2000 years, the word 'sin' .. as in

" original

sin " comes from the Aramaic .. meaning 'the feminine'.

 

yes .. underneath it all, according to Rome, every child is born from sin

.... no

matter what mother does. So what does that memory do to the uterus and

pelvic

floor of female .. especially when she is about to give birth!

 

if you can find a very good Yoga teacher who knows these things, then birth

can

be done with pure sound, no pushing, no labor .. only pure orgasmic ecstasy

as

the child birth itself .. with no pain afterwards.

 

but that mother can never talk about her experience because birth is not

supposed to be like that .. unless the child is a Buddha or Jesus ...

 

but, isn't that the birthright of every child born?

 

Christopher Wynter

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

I would have to agree with you Michelle. I have three beautiful

healthy normal daughters. Who all three were born with induction and

use of pit. My first one was an emergency situations as she was under

stress and had stopped moving, they induced me and I was in labor for

two days, yes it was tough but my focus was on that baby that would

be born and how wonderful she was. I was bedridden with her only

because of complications I had. My second one I was allowed to get up

and walk the halls and move around. My third it was so quick I barely

had time to prepare myself for the delivery of her. So each and

eveytime you are induce is different then the ones before. Positive

thoughts will change the outcome of the deleivery

Jen

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Michelle " <michelle

wrote:

>

> Hi Jessika,

>

> You sound stressed and worried and are thinking some pretty

negative

> thoughts. It almost seems that you " expect " to experience the

worst.

> The best thing you can do is change your thinking! Relax. Visualize

> your baby being ready to arrive at the perfect time. Talk to

him/her

> about it. Be the creator of your own beautiful birth experience!

>

> And, while you're at it, take some castor oil, enjoy a spicey

dinner

> and indulge in great sex!

>

> Relax and KNOW that everything is perfect,

> Michelle

>

> PS I had my only child at almost 40. My water broke 2 weeks early

and

> I hadn't even begun to dialate. Took 18 hours to get to 3 cm.

> Therefore, I had a " Pitocin birth " . Yep, I had an IV, but I walked

> the halls of my birthing center, did NOT have a monitor screwed

into

> my sons head, did NOT need foreceps, and had a beautiful vaginal

> delivery. THINK GOOD THOUGHTS!

>

>

> > During a pitocin birth, I will experience contractions

> > that are stronger and more frequent than I would in a

> > natural birth. I will be forced to stay lying in bed

> > with an iv in me and an internal fetal heart monitor

> > screwed into my baby's scalp. Pitocin births greatly

> > increase the liklihood of all other interventions,

> > including epidurals, forceps birth, and cesarian.

> > Pitocin also increases the liklihood of all sorts of

> > complications, including the extremely rare uterine

> > rupture.

>