Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Follow your heart and do NOT let her have those vaccines! The long term risks from the vaccine are NOT worth that risk. I'm on numerous other lists related to vaccine information and I have yet to hear anything positive said about this HPV vaccine. The over-whelming consensus is that these young girls who have the vaccine will end up having a life-time of other health issues, including sterility. There is no better immunity than a natural immunity, not man-made immunity and all your daughter needs to do is follow safe-sex principles. Lyndall ---- Linda 26/07/2007 5:21:10 AM Vaccinating young girls for HPV I teach this in Health and present facts unpersuasively. Now it is time to make decisions for my own 15 1/2 year old. In my heart I do not want her to have these 3 vaccines. Any knowlwdge out there on this topic? In appreciation, and in loving kindness, Linda ********************************************* Peacefulmind.com Sponsors Alternative Answers- HEALING NATURALLY- Learn preventative and curative measure to take for many ailments at: http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments.htm __________ -To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them: http://health./subs_invite _________ To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://health./links ___________ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______ Shortcut URL to this page: http://health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Dear Linda you wrote: Whatever happened to internalized morals, and abstainence? Now I must do the job of Mothering my child (and being a Health teacher, too) and use all my knowledge and beliefs that collide with my daughter's 24 year old unmarried Health teacher's viewpoints. As I left the Pediatrician's office this morning, I told her no decisions would be made until I researched CAM and then sat down to have a heart to heart talk with my child. Any knowlwdge out there on this topic? In appreciation, and in loving kindness, Dear Linda: It's important to have an honest communication model with your daughter first. My daughter is 15 and has always come to me to tell me about her daily highs and lows. I've had to learn to listen to her and how she is feeling and to justify her feelings as I ask further questions about each situation. I was fortunate to have read John Gray's Venus and Mars on a Date, shortly after my divorce. His insight into human emotional stability hinging on the level of commitment specific to the level of intimacy really opened my eyes. To sum it up in a nut shell, he says while dating, stay above the neck. He states the man needs to ask for exclusivity at which point intimacy stays above the waist. He says the man also needs to ask for a commitment, as in marriage at which point intimacy can go below the waist, but that intercourse doesn't happen. He states intercourse is saved for once the marriage has been performed. He states that if a woman doesn't stick to this system, she will not be getting the emotional support in the form of a commitment from the man that she needs in order to remain emotionally stable. It's a good idea to read the entire book, as it gives research and reasons for his statements. I had been raised to abstain with no emotional coping being taught. Once I " lost " my innocence, I didn't have the skills or education needed to understand my emotional needs and how to gage them against commitment and intimacy. I also didn't have an honest communication model with my mother. I had caught her in lies and she was incapable of justifying my emotions. I learned much later in life that my defense mechanism was to emotionally block. A person who emotionally blocks cannot access those internalized morals. Abstinence needs an emotional understanding, not denial or coping systems. Rachel ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 It's funny, the commericals for this, the whole " One Less " BS, is what turned me off to it.....all the " Gardisil does not protect against all strains of cervical cancer " and disclaimer stuff they had to put in was hilarious....they basically talked people out of getting it....at least, the thinking people. Lori Shana Clagg <A.Healthier.Shana Wed, 25 Jul 2007 9:03 pm Re: Vaccinating young girls for HPV Linda, I feel for you! My daughter is 14, and I wrestled with the same question. In this upcoming school year, the public schools will be sending home information with the kids about it, and I'm certain it will make it sound like a great idea. I know in my heart that this vaccine is a bad idea. But I couldn't stomach the thought of " What if " my daughter was the one to get cervical cancer because I made this decision. Here was the deciding factor for me. The HPV vaccines were not approved based on their effectiveness in preventing cancer. Surprised? Read this article: http://www.cancermonthly.com/iNP/view.asp?ID=169 Here is a snippet: " How effective is Gardasil in decreasing the incidence of cervical cancer? 100%? 50%? No one really knows because this question has not yet been answered. As of today, the Gardasil vaccine has never been proven to decrease the actual incidence of cervical cancer. In the studies that led to the vaccine's approval, the incidence of cervical cancer was not measured. Instead CIN (cervical intraepithelial neoplasia) 2/3 and AIS (adenocarcinoma in situ) were used as the surrogate markers for prevention of cervical cancer because according to the vaccine's insert " CIN 2/3 and AIS are the immediate and necessary precursors of squamous cell carcinoma and adenocarcinoma of the cervix, respectively. " While this is true it is also true that CIN 2/3 and AIS usually do not lead to cancer. For example, according to published data, CIN2 only leads to invasive carcinoma 5% of the time and CIN3 only leads to invasive carcinoma 12% of the time. " Hope this helps point you in a direction you feel comfortable with. -- Shana Clagg Hormone Health Nature's Way http://health.HormoneHealthNW/ Achieve Inner Fusion http://www.kingoffruits.com On 7/24/07, Linda <LindyBowers wrote: > > Have you discussed this new vaccination that Doctors are recommending > for young girls as young as 9 to prevent infection from 4 strains of > human papilloma virus which is resonsible for 70% of all cervical > cancers? > > I took my daughter back to the Pediatrician one more time to check > the area where the lump was, and there is nothing there nor does it > show on the ultrasound. The Doctor noticed I had signed a waiver > against it when there last month because the focus was on the lump we > all had felt - not vaccines. > > I teach this in Health and present facts unpersuasively. Now it is > time to make decisions for my own 15 1/2 year old. In my heart I do > not want her to have these 3 vaccines. In front of the Doctor she > blurted out, " My Health teacher in school last year told us about > this vaccine and I want it " . I substitute taught in her school last > year, and she never shared her Health notes, topics, or projects with > me. I was distressed over this. Yet, when she has sleep overs we > talk about Health and even watch some of my educational videos > together regarding human sexuality, etc. I know her Health teacher > and did not approve of her dumping 20 colored condoms on the desk on > the second day of school. > > It is not easy raising a teenage girl today. We have become a > society that accepts youthful sexual permissiveness. > > I see a fast paced, self gratifying generation. In my daughter's > school, they dump condoms on the desk, TELL them to get vaccinated > because HPV can be spread past the genital areas next to the place > covered by a condom - such as the inner thighs and scrotum. I see > the curriculum being slanted toward accomodating peer pressure that > views sex as a recreational sport. > > Whatever happened to internalized morals, and abstainence? Now I > must do the job of Mothering my child (and being a Health teacher , > too) and use all my knowledge and beliefs that collide with my > daughter's 24 year old unmarried Health teacher's viewpoints. > > As I left the Pediatrician's office this morning, I told her no > decisions would be made until I researched CAM and then sat down to > have a heart to heart talk with my child. > > Any knowlwdge out there on this topic? In appreciation, and > in loving kindness, > > Linda > . > > > -- Shana Clagg Hormone Health Nature's Way http://health.HormoneHealthNW/ Achieve Inner Fusion http://www.kingoffruits.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Ok, I'm going to be completely open among friends. I lost my uterus due to HPV. I had been monogamous for 20+ years, with intermittent abnormal paps that would be normal at the follow up visit. HPV was never raised as a possibility, nor would I have considered myself to be likely to have it. Then after about 5 years, one day the doctor said, " you have funky cells " and although there are other treatments, if you were my wife I'd have it taken out without any question. This entry is not to debate the question of alternatives. Luckily I was finished having children. The hormone regulation following surgically induced menopause is challenging. Now, my daughter, age 22 is expecting her second child. She has had sex with 2 men in her life and is diagnosed with HPV. Apparently she received this gift from her husband. These are upstanding, working, ethical, christians, but obviously a mistake was made somewhere. I am grateful that she will have already had two children before potentially facing a hysterectomy herself. And hate the thought of her having to deal with hormone issues at such a potentially young age. Would I get the vaccine for my daughter if she were a teen today? I don't know for sure, but if she has to go through what I think she might, I will look back and say 'of course'. You see, I don't know if the issue is simply cancer; it may include our ability to reproduce. Or maybe not having it will be an effective way to curb population growth. There is a lot to look at here, safety vs efficay in the big picture. In Thought Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Re: Vaccinating young girls for HPV All this discussion of HPV and vaccinating the entire 12-13 yr. old population of the USA makes no sense. Based on the track record of vaccinations for the past 50 years and the lies and cover-ups... I wouldn't trust them. The AMA and drug companies are pushing vaccines because they do not know how to treat HPV or how to cure it in children or adults. It is a virus and not so hard to cure. For example: 1) From Hanna Kroeger try - P.A. Kit #703 at http://www.southernherb.com/ Hanna designed this kit to support the body against viral infections and help maintain healthy reproductive organs*. Ingredients: Kit contains: Pap Herbal Capsules, and Papilloma Vibropathic Liquid 2)Col. Silver, Miracle II neutralizer, Essiac, Km, H12, Sweedish Bitters can all be used internally and as a dousch. 3) Rife type frequency generators, MWO's, Vibe and Pearl machines, and others will cure this. 4)Several teas such as kidney tea and mushroom tea, reishi and kombuko, should cure this. 5)Try a silver pulser from sotainstruments.com or make one for under $10. See: grp. called microelectricitygermkiller 6)Viruses die if you change their environment. 1.5-2. degrees is all it takes. Or change the Ph. of the body as with veg. juices. 7)Laying on of hands, Reiki, Healing symbols, Shamballa Healing, etc. all work when done correctly. 8) White gold water, m-state metals and ORMUS can all be used for healing 9) Energy Cleaner or Harmonizer See:http://www.energycleaner.org/ or make one yourself for under $10. See:http://www.keelynet.com/biology/crock.htm 10) O3 (ozone) in water or a sauna or wrap 11) Aloe vera juice, IV/C and H2o2 all kill viruses. The list just goes on. Don't listen to doctors who do not know how to cure disease. Put aside your doubts, negativities and fears and take charge of your lives and those of your children. Every great master on this planet for 1000's of years knew about healing. All this is available to us today. Learn to care for and to heal ourselves first. Namaste, David In , " laughingtoe13 " <laughingtoe13 wrote: > > Ok, I'm going to be completely open among friends. I lost my uterus > due to HPV. I had been monogamous for 20+ years, with intermittent > abnormal paps that would be normal at the follow up visit. HPV was > never raised as a possibility, nor would I have considered myself to > be likely to have it. Then after about 5 years, one day the doctor > said, " you have funky cells " and although there are other > treatments, if you were my wife I'd have it taken out without any > question. This entry is not to debate the question of alternatives. > Luckily I was finished having children. The hormone regulation > following surgically induced menopause is challenging. > > Now, my daughter, age 22 is expecting her second child. She has had > sex with 2 men in her life and is diagnosed with HPV. Apparently she > received this gift from her husband. These are upstanding, working, > ethical, christians, but obviously a mistake was made somewhere. I > am grateful that she will have already had two children before > potentially facing a hysterectomy herself. And hate the thought of > her having to deal with hormone issues at such a potentially young > age. > > Would I get the vaccine for my daughter if she were a teen today? I > don't know for sure, but if she has to go through what I think she > might, I will look back and say 'of course'. You see, I don't know > if the issue is simply cancer; it may include our ability to > reproduce. Or maybe not having it will be an effective way to curb > population growth. There is a lot to look at here, safety vs efficay > in the big picture. > In Thought > Linda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Once again the pharmaceutical industry has come up with a new pill...isn't it sad how fast these pills appear for symptoms instead of trying to find the cause, look at the whole body balance and be rid of it....these companies get richer by the nano second, and it is at the expense of every sentient being that inhabit this planet....please, before you give this to your daughters....research, talk, have them checked by someone who practices eastern,holistic, ayurveda..etc. medicine....i see ads for this, how to have periods 4 times a year, synthetic hormones...the food we eat, air we breathe, the tension and stress we allow ourselves to get caught up in, the state of the world...all this has an effect on all the systems in our body......one step towards stopping the insanity is all it takes peace, blessings Cathy thefragile7393 wrote: It's funny, the commericals for this, the whole " One Less " BS, is what turned me off to it.....all the " Gardisil does not protect against all strains of cervical cancer " and disclaimer stuff they had to put in was hilarious....they basically talked people out of getting it....at least, the thinking people. Lori Shana Clagg <A.Healthier.Shana Wed, 25 Jul 2007 9:03 pm Re: Vaccinating young girls for HPV Linda, I feel for you! My daughter is 14, and I wrestled with the same question. In this upcoming school year, the public schools will be sending home information with the kids about it, and I'm certain it will make it sound like a great idea. I know in my heart that this vaccine is a bad idea. But I couldn't stomach the thought of " What if " my daughter was the one to get cervical cancer because I made this decision. Here was the deciding factor for me. The HPV vaccines were not approved based on their effectiveness in preventing cancer. Surprised? Read this article: http://www.cancermonthly.com/iNP/view.asp?ID=169 Here is a snippet: " How effective is Gardasil in decreasing the incidence of cervical cancer? 100%? 50%? No one really knows because this question has not yet been answered. As of today, the Gardasil vaccine has never been proven to decrease the actual incidence of cervical cancer. In the studies that led to the vaccine's approval, the incidence of cervical cancer was not measured. Instead CIN (cervical intraepithelial neoplasia) 2/3 and AIS (adenocarcinoma in situ) were used as the surrogate markers for prevention of cervical cancer because according to the vaccine's insert " CIN 2/3 and AIS are the immediate and necessary precursors of squamous cell carcinoma and adenocarcinoma of the cervix, respectively. " While this is true it is also true that CIN 2/3 and AIS usually do not lead to cancer. For example, according to published data, CIN2 only leads to invasive carcinoma 5% of the time and CIN3 only leads to invasive carcinoma 12% of the time. " Hope this helps point you in a direction you feel comfortable with. -- Shana Clagg Hormone Health Nature's Way http://health.HormoneHealthNW/ Achieve Inner Fusion http://www.kingoffruits.com On 7/24/07, Linda <LindyBowers wrote: > > Have you discussed this new vaccination that Doctors are recommending > for young girls as young as 9 to prevent infection from 4 strains of > human papilloma virus which is resonsible for 70% of all cervical > cancers? > > I took my daughter back to the Pediatrician one more time to check > the area where the lump was, and there is nothing there nor does it > show on the ultrasound. The Doctor noticed I had signed a waiver > against it when there last month because the focus was on the lump we > all had felt - not vaccines. > > I teach this in Health and present facts unpersuasively. Now it is > time to make decisions for my own 15 1/2 year old. In my heart I do > not want her to have these 3 vaccines. In front of the Doctor she > blurted out, " My Health teacher in school last year told us about > this vaccine and I want it " . I substitute taught in her school last > year, and she never shared her Health notes, topics, or projects with > me. I was distressed over this. Yet, when she has sleep overs we > talk about Health and even watch some of my educational videos > together regarding human sexuality, etc. I know her Health teacher > and did not approve of her dumping 20 colored condoms on the desk on > the second day of school. > > It is not easy raising a teenage girl today. We have become a > society that accepts youthful sexual permissiveness. > > I see a fast paced, self gratifying generation. In my daughter's > school, they dump condoms on the desk, TELL them to get vaccinated > because HPV can be spread past the genital areas next to the place > covered by a condom - such as the inner thighs and scrotum. I see > the curriculum being slanted toward accomodating peer pressure that > views sex as a recreational sport. > > Whatever happened to internalized morals, and abstainence? Now I > must do the job of Mothering my child (and being a Health teacher , > too) and use all my knowledge and beliefs that collide with my > daughter's 24 year old unmarried Health teacher's viewpoints. > > As I left the Pediatrician's office this morning, I told her no > decisions would be made until I researched CAM and then sat down to > have a heart to heart talk with my child. > > Any knowlwdge out there on this topic? In appreciation, and > in loving kindness, > > Linda > . > > > -- Shana Clagg Hormone Health Nature's Way http://health.HormoneHealthNW/ Achieve Inner Fusion http://www.kingoffruits.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 HI, I know how you guys feel. My 17 year old daughter who is preagent now and she only was with her boyfriend he was her frist. She had the test for HPV and it came back with the HPV 6. They said to me I should think about getting her vaccinaed. I am not sure what to do with this either. Thank God when they did the other test that came back negtive for cervical cancer. I have sat down with my daughter and had a long talk with her before she started dating this guy and it just goes in one ear and out the other. Lisa thefragile7393 wrote: It's funny, the commericals for this, the whole " One Less " BS, is what turned me off to it.....all the " Gardisil does not protect against all strains of cervical cancer " and disclaimer stuff they had to put in was hilarious....they basically talked people out of getting it....at least, the thinking people. Lori Shana Clagg <A.Healthier.Shana Wed, 25 Jul 2007 9:03 pm Re: Vaccinating young girls for HPV Linda, I feel for you! My daughter is 14, and I wrestled with the same question. In this upcoming school year, the public schools will be sending home information with the kids about it, and I'm certain it will make it sound like a great idea. I know in my heart that this vaccine is a bad idea. But I couldn't stomach the thought of " What if " my daughter was the one to get cervical cancer because I made this decision. Here was the deciding factor for me. The HPV vaccines were not approved based on their effectiveness in preventing cancer. Surprised? Read this article: http://www.cancermonthly.com/iNP/view.asp?ID=169 Here is a snippet: " How effective is Gardasil in decreasing the incidence of cervical cancer? 100%? 50%? No one really knows because this question has not yet been answered. As of today, the Gardasil vaccine has never been proven to decrease the actual incidence of cervical cancer. In the studies that led to the vaccine's approval, the incidence of cervical cancer was not measured. Instead CIN (cervical intraepithelial neoplasia) 2/3 and AIS (adenocarcinoma in situ) were used as the surrogate markers for prevention of cervical cancer because according to the vaccine's insert " CIN 2/3 and AIS are the immediate and necessary precursors of squamous cell carcinoma and adenocarcinoma of the cervix, respectively. " While this is true it is also true that CIN 2/3 and AIS usually do not lead to cancer. For example, according to published data, CIN2 only leads to invasive carcinoma 5% of the time and CIN3 only leads to invasive carcinoma 12% of the time. " Hope this helps point you in a direction you feel comfortable with. -- Shana Clagg Hormone Health Nature's Way http://health.HormoneHealthNW/ Achieve Inner Fusion http://www.kingoffruits.com On 7/24/07, Linda <LindyBowers wrote: > > Have you discussed this new vaccination that Doctors are recommending > for young girls as young as 9 to prevent infection from 4 strains of > human papilloma virus which is resonsible for 70% of all cervical > cancers? > > I took my daughter back to the Pediatrician one more time to check > the area where the lump was, and there is nothing there nor does it > show on the ultrasound. The Doctor noticed I had signed a waiver > against it when there last month because the focus was on the lump we > all had felt - not vaccines. > > I teach this in Health and present facts unpersuasively. Now it is > time to make decisions for my own 15 1/2 year old. In my heart I do > not want her to have these 3 vaccines. In front of the Doctor she > blurted out, " My Health teacher in school last year told us about > this vaccine and I want it " . I substitute taught in her school last > year, and she never shared her Health notes, topics, or projects with > me. I was distressed over this. Yet, when she has sleep overs we > talk about Health and even watch some of my educational videos > together regarding human sexuality, etc. I know her Health teacher > and did not approve of her dumping 20 colored condoms on the desk on > the second day of school. > > It is not easy raising a teenage girl today. We have become a > society that accepts youthful sexual permissiveness. > > I see a fast paced, self gratifying generation. In my daughter's > school, they dump condoms on the desk, TELL them to get vaccinated > because HPV can be spread past the genital areas next to the place > covered by a condom - such as the inner thighs and scrotum. I see > the curriculum being slanted toward accomodating peer pressure that > views sex as a recreational sport. > > Whatever happened to internalized morals, and abstainence? Now I > must do the job of Mothering my child (and being a Health teacher , > too) and use all my knowledge and beliefs that collide with my > daughter's 24 year old unmarried Health teacher's viewpoints. > > As I left the Pediatrician's office this morning, I told her no > decisions would be made until I researched CAM and then sat down to > have a heart to heart talk with my child. > > Any knowlwdge out there on this topic? In appreciation, and > in loving kindness, > > Linda > . > > > -- Shana Clagg Hormone Health Nature's Way http://health.HormoneHealthNW/ Achieve Inner Fusion http://www.kingoffruits.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 we all know the reasons to get the cervical cancer vaccine... what are the reasons NOT to get it, apart from the usual post-vaccination side effects? i mean, what harm will the vaccine cause if say, i, get it? , lisa a <angelswings44 wrote: > > HI, I know how you guys feel. My 17 year old daughter who is preagent now and she only was with her boyfriend he was her frist. She had the test for HPV and it came back with the HPV 6. They said to me I should think about getting her vaccinaed. I am not sure what to do with this either. Thank God when they did the other test that came back negtive for cervical cancer. I have sat down with my daughter and had a long talk with her before she started dating this guy and it just goes in one ear and out the other. > Lisa > > thefragile7393 wrote: > > It's funny, the commericals for this, the whole " One Less " BS, is what turned me off to it.....all the " Gardisil does not protect against all strains of cervical cancer " and disclaimer stuff they had to put in was hilarious....they basically talked people out of getting it....at least, the thinking people. > > Lori > > > Shana Clagg <A.Healthier.Shana > > Wed, 25 Jul 2007 9:03 pm > Re: Vaccinating young girls for HPV > > Linda, I feel for you! My daughter is 14, and I wrestled with the same > question. In this upcoming school year, the public schools will be sending > home information with the kids about it, and I'm certain it will make it > sound like a great idea. > > I know in my heart that this vaccine is a bad idea. But I couldn't stomach > the thought of " What if " my daughter was the one to get cervical cancer > because I made this decision. > > Here was the deciding factor for me. The HPV vaccines were not approved > based on their effectiveness in preventing cancer. Surprised? Read this > article: http://www.cancermonthly.com/iNP/view.asp?ID=169 > > Here is a snippet: > " How effective is Gardasil in decreasing the incidence of cervical cancer? > 100%? 50%? No one really knows because this question has not yet been > answered. As of today, the Gardasil vaccine has never been proven to > decrease the actual incidence of cervical cancer. In the studies that led to > the vaccine's approval, the incidence of cervical cancer was not measured. > Instead CIN (cervical intraepithelial neoplasia) 2/3 and AIS (adenocarcinoma > in situ) were used as the surrogate markers for prevention of cervical > cancer because according to the vaccine's insert " CIN 2/3 and AIS are the > immediate and necessary precursors of squamous cell carcinoma and > adenocarcinoma of the cervix, respectively. " While this is true it is also > true that CIN 2/3 and AIS usually do not lead to cancer. For example, > according to published data, CIN2 only leads to invasive carcinoma 5% of the > time and CIN3 only leads to invasive carcinoma 12% of the time. " > > Hope this helps point you in a direction you feel comfortable with. > > -- > Shana Clagg > Hormone Health Nature's Way > http://health.HormoneHealthNW/ > > Achieve Inner Fusion > http://www.kingoffruits.com > > On 7/24/07, Linda <LindyBowers wrote: > > > > Have you discussed this new vaccination that Doctors are recommending > > for young girls as young as 9 to prevent infection from 4 strains of > > human papilloma virus which is resonsible for 70% of all cervical > > cancers? > > > > I took my daughter back to the Pediatrician one more time to check > > the area where the lump was, and there is nothing there nor does it > > show on the ultrasound. The Doctor noticed I had signed a waiver > > against it when there last month because the focus was on the lump we > > all had felt - not vaccines. > > > > I teach this in Health and present facts unpersuasively. Now it is > > time to make decisions for my own 15 1/2 year old. In my heart I do > > not want her to have these 3 vaccines. In front of the Doctor she > > blurted out, " My Health teacher in school last year told us about > > this vaccine and I want it " . I substitute taught in her school last > > year, and she never shared her Health notes, topics, or projects with > > me. I was distressed over this. Yet, when she has sleep overs we > > talk about Health and even watch some of my educational videos > > together regarding human sexuality, etc. I know her Health teacher > > and did not approve of her dumping 20 colored condoms on the desk on > > the second day of school. > > > > It is not easy raising a teenage girl today. We have become a > > society that accepts youthful sexual permissiveness. > > > > I see a fast paced, self gratifying generation. In my daughter's > > school, they dump condoms on the desk, TELL them to get vaccinated > > because HPV can be spread past the genital areas next to the place > > covered by a condom - such as the inner thighs and scrotum. I see > > the curriculum being slanted toward accomodating peer pressure that > > views sex as a recreational sport. > > > > Whatever happened to internalized morals, and abstainence? Now I > > must do the job of Mothering my child (and being a Health teacher , > > too) and use all my knowledge and beliefs that collide with my > > daughter's 24 year old unmarried Health teacher's viewpoints. > > > > As I left the Pediatrician's office this morning, I told her no > > decisions would be made until I researched CAM and then sat down to > > have a heart to heart talk with my child. > > > > Any knowlwdge out there on this topic? In appreciation, and > > in loving kindness, > > > > Linda > > . > > > > > > > > -- > Shana Clagg > Hormone Health Nature's Way > http://health.HormoneHealthNW/ > > Achieve Inner Fusion > http://www.kingoffruits.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Just an FYI to Angelwings44 make sure if you have your daughter vaccinated to do it after the baby is born...you can't get the vaccination while pregnant...hopefully your doctors are aware of that ☺ Tara PS I feel as long as you are in a monogomious relationship and/or using protection you shouldn't put your body though the vaccine...It hasn't been on the market long enough to know the true harms of the vaccine. Just my thoughts. Tara Bryant DiamondCreek Candles Consultant-Unique Hand Poured Candles www.BryantCandles.net Free Consultant Sign up In July, Free Candle Drawing Every Month! BeautiControl Certified Consultant-Do it Yourself Cutting Edge Day Spa Products http://www.beautipage.com/beautifulrelaxation We have Safe, Affordable Microdermabrasion! Arbonne International Representitive-Vegan Weight Loss, Health and Wellness www.StartGlowing.myarbonne.com born_of_beltane <mysteriousdarkness Monday, July 30, 2007 12:47:16 AM Re: Vaccinating young girls for HPV we all know the reasons to get the cervical cancer vaccine... what are the reasons NOT to get it, apart from the usual post-vaccination side effects? i mean, what harm will the vaccine cause if say, i, get it? , lisa a <angelswings44@ ...> wrote: > > HI, I know how you guys feel. My 17 year old daughter who is preagent now and she only was with her boyfriend he was her frist. She had the test for HPV and it came back with the HPV 6. They said to me I should think about getting her vaccinaed. I am not sure what to do with this either. Thank God when they did the other test that came back negtive for cervical cancer. I have sat down with my daughter and had a long talk with her before she started dating this guy and it just goes in one ear and out the other. > Lisa > > thefragile7393@ ... wrote: > > It's funny, the commericals for this, the whole " One Less " BS, is what turned me off to it.....all the " Gardisil does not protect against all strains of cervical cancer " and disclaimer stuff they had to put in was hilarious... .they basically talked people out of getting it....at least, the thinking people. > > Lori > > > Shana Clagg <A.Healthier. Shana > > > Wed, 25 Jul 2007 9:03 pm > Re: Vaccinating young girls for HPV > > Linda, I feel for you! My daughter is 14, and I wrestled with the same > question. In this upcoming school year, the public schools will be sending > home information with the kids about it, and I'm certain it will make it > sound like a great idea. > > I know in my heart that this vaccine is a bad idea. But I couldn't stomach > the thought of " What if " my daughter was the one to get cervical cancer > because I made this decision. > > Here was the deciding factor for me. The HPV vaccines were not approved > based on their effectiveness in preventing cancer. Surprised? Read this > article: http://www.cancermo nthly.com/ iNP/view. asp?ID=169 > > Here is a snippet: > " How effective is Gardasil in decreasing the incidence of cervical cancer? > 100%? 50%? No one really knows because this question has not yet been > answered. As of today, the Gardasil vaccine has never been proven to > decrease the actual incidence of cervical cancer. In the studies that led to > the vaccine's approval, the incidence of cervical cancer was not measured. > Instead CIN (cervical intraepithelial neoplasia) 2/3 and AIS (adenocarcinoma > in situ) were used as the surrogate markers for prevention of cervical > cancer because according to the vaccine's insert " CIN 2/3 and AIS are the > immediate and necessary precursors of squamous cell carcinoma and > adenocarcinoma of the cervix, respectively. " While this is true it is also > true that CIN 2/3 and AIS usually do not lead to cancer. For example, > according to published data, CIN2 only leads to invasive carcinoma 5% of the > time and CIN3 only leads to invasive carcinoma 12% of the time. " > > Hope this helps point you in a direction you feel comfortable with. > > -- > Shana Clagg > Hormone Health Nature's Way > http://health. groups.. com HormoneHealthNW/ > > Achieve Inner Fusion > http://www.kingoffr uits.com > > On 7/24/07, Linda <LindyBowers@ ...> wrote: > > > > Have you discussed this new vaccination that Doctors are recommending > > for young girls as young as 9 to prevent infection from 4 strains of > > human papilloma virus which is resonsible for 70% of all cervical > > cancers? > > > > I took my daughter back to the Pediatrician one more time to check > > the area where the lump was, and there is nothing there nor does it > > show on the ultrasound. The Doctor noticed I had signed a waiver > > against it when there last month because the focus was on the lump we > > all had felt - not vaccines. > > > > I teach this in Health and present facts unpersuasively. Now it is > > time to make decisions for my own 15 1/2 year old. In my heart I do > > not want her to have these 3 vaccines. In front of the Doctor she > > blurted out, " My Health teacher in school last year told us about > > this vaccine and I want it " . I substitute taught in her school last > > year, and she never shared her Health notes, topics, or projects with > > me. I was distressed over this. Yet, when she has sleep overs we > > talk about Health and even watch some of my educational videos > > together regarding human sexuality, etc. I know her Health teacher > > and did not approve of her dumping 20 colored condoms on the desk on > > the second day of school. > > > > It is not easy raising a teenage girl today. We have become a > > society that accepts youthful sexual permissiveness. > > > > I see a fast paced, self gratifying generation. In my daughter's > > school, they dump condoms on the desk, TELL them to get vaccinated > > because HPV can be spread past the genital areas next to the place > > covered by a condom - such as the inner thighs and scrotum. I see > > the curriculum being slanted toward accomodating peer pressure that > > views sex as a recreational sport. > > > > Whatever happened to internalized morals, and abstainence? Now I > > must do the job of Mothering my child (and being a Health teacher , > > too) and use all my knowledge and beliefs that collide with my > > daughter's 24 year old unmarried Health teacher's viewpoints. > > > > As I left the Pediatrician' s office this morning, I told her no > > decisions would be made until I researched CAM and then sat down to > > have a heart to heart talk with my child. > > > > Any knowlwdge out there on this topic? In appreciation, and > > in loving kindness, > > > > Linda > > . > > > > > > > > -- > Shana Clagg > Hormone Health Nature's Way > http://health. groups.. com HormoneHealthNW/ > > Achieve Inner Fusion > http://www.kingoffr uits.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 , " born_of_beltane " <mysteriousdarkness wrote: > > we all know the reasons to get the cervical cancer vaccine... what Are the reasons NOT to get it, apart from the usual post-vaccination side effects? i mean, what harm will the vaccine cause if say, i, get it? born of beltrane HI, I know how you guys feel. My 17 year old daughter who is preagent now and she only was with her boyfriend he was her frist. She had the test for HPV and it came back with the HPV 6. They said to me I should think about getting her vaccinaed. Lisa It's funny, the commericals for this, the whole " One Less " BS, is what turned me off to it.....all the " Gardisil does not protect against all strains of cervical cancer " Lori Linda, I feel for you! My daughter is 14, and I wrestled with the same question. In this upcoming school year, the public schools will be sending home information with the kids about it, and I'm certain it will make it sound like a great idea.I know in my heart that this vaccine is a bad idea. But I couldn't stomach thought of " What if " my daughter was the one to get cervical cancer because I made this decision. Here was the deciding factor for me. The HPV vaccines were not approved based on their effectiveness in preventing cancer. Surprised? Read this article: http://www.cancermonthly.com/iNP/view.asp?ID=169 Here is a snippet: " How effective is Gardasil in decreasing the incidence of cervical cancer? 100%? 50%? No one really knows " Shana Clagg Dear Born of Beltrane, I appreciate your question " What harm will it cause? " I don't believe there is enough research on this vaccine. There was a study done have been reading all the entries on my questions regarding vaccinations of young girls to prevent HPV which could lead to cervical cancer according to the research provided. THANK YOU everyone for writing in. My heart goes out to Lisa concerning her 17 year old daughter, and to Linda for her plight with surgery and HRT. I was researching links and found this site: http://www.rdoc.org.uk/hpv.html It is from the mouth cancer foundation. If you scroll down to The Silent Threat, and the other links below it, and we all read this, can we have a further conversation on this serious topic? <snippet> The human papillomavirus, HPV, is the virus which causes genital warts and can lead to cervical and oral cancers. Researchers are developing a new HPV-DNA test which may allow doctors to more definitely determine patients' risk of cervical cancer. Also, a vaccine for the pre-cancerous strains of the virus is in progress. However, *****some controversy and questions revolve around both the new test and vaccine***** Even before I make any decisions regarding the vaccine...WHICH I AM NOT HEARTFELT on doing for my daughter who will be 16 on August 11th, I am spending absolute quality time with my daughter this week...she is not allowed to go to any parties, sleep-overs, etc. We have dedicated this week to JUST THE TWO OF US, and she is slowly beginning to appreciate MY need to bond with her one on one, and she is now accepting the fact that she is being asked to GROUND herself at home <LOL> with her Mother in order to work at creating a more intimate and loving bond with me. This summer has seen my daughter non-stop going out with her friends, sleep-overs, dates, modeling calls, and we even got to spend the morning with Josh Groban in person one on one, last Monday. Our time together has been severely disrupted with outsiders, phone calls, dates, and teenagers coming over. The book, " Mars and Venus on a Date " by John Gray, Ph.D. arrived yesterday. I told my daughter, this is one of the best gifts your Mother will ever give to you. Knowledge. " Thank you so much, Rachael, for suggesting this book that only cost .19 cents plus postage but offers priceless boundaries and guidelines for dating, relationships, and a lasting love with the RIGHT person. My daughter has been attracted to 3 men in her life. The first boy in school she liked was Bryan. They were highly attracted to one another and then he told her (at age 16) that he was sure he was gay. They are still best friends now that he practices homosexuality. The second boy lived in a group home (he was spared jail) because he tried to strangle his mother and he did drugs, stole, and belonged to a gang. He joined a church for a year, became extremely religious, and asked my daughter to attend Church with him. Two weeks ago, Erik has gone AWOL, and the police are searching for him. SHe met him in a secret location last week. I picked him up at a train station, and they got to see one another for 3 hours by my yacht club. My daughter told him that she had waited two weeks for him to call, and found another boy to date, Alex. I drove Erik back to the train station and he broke it off with her, completely, crying that he couldn't believe she could dump him and find someone else in two weeks. My daughter cried for 4 hours and then asked me to drive her to meet Alex. Alex told her, " I am an A* hole hanging with the wrong crowd, but I am trying to do the right things, now. " Alex's Father is from Jamaica, and his Mother from China, and their family values are completely alien to ours. What is MY DAUGHTER DOING? I have taught her the difference between judgment (which she says she never does) and discernment, and to date only those whom she feels intuitively connected to in a mentally, and emotionally safe place before ever allowing a boy to connect to her on a physical level such as holding hands and kissing, because once that begins, it will be harder to focus on the normal challenges of stimulating each other mentally and emotionally. Am I talking in one ear and out the other, too? She is in the National Honor Society, and very responsible, but today we have to re- walk the Botanical Gardens at the university to search for her lost eyeglasses, and go to the Motor Vehicles to get a replacement Non_Driver's I.D. that she lost on youth group trip to Wildwood, New Jersey for a week, and we need to have the new digital camera cleaned and serviced becaus she brought it to the beach and friends kicked sand inside her beach bag. I pray she doesn't lose her innocence as quickly as she can lose and break her valuable possessions. As I end this email, the Garvisil commercial is playing on ABC t.v. They are saying, " I want to be one less....ask your doctor to vaccinate your child for their school physical examination. " How can a Mother and Daughter work together to overcome such powerful messages? It causes me to think WHAT MONEY MONGER SOURCE IS BEHIND THIS CAMAPIGN> Before I end, I want to suggest that everyone read the article regarding a hoax concerning Tamiflu and how one politician made millions by exaggerating the dangers of avian flu in this country,and how he pocketed millions because of it. Scary article that warrants a look. http://www.mercola.com/2006/apr/4/donald_rumsfeld_rakes_in_5_million_f or_tamiflu.htm Could this be the same deal with Garvisil? in loving kindenss, Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Linda and others, I am seeking as much knowledge on this topic as well. For the entire community, I'm seeking guidance on how to stay best informed on the results of these vaccines over the coming years. I have a 4 year old daughter and will be faced with this decision as well. I know abstinence will be the best prevention, but I may have to recommend for her to receive this vaccine in some years. Which medical resources might provide the best source of information of problems arising from this vaccine? Any recommendation are appreciated. Joe , " Linda " <LindyBowers wrote: > > Have you discussed this new vaccination that Doctors are recommending > for young girls as young as 9 to prevent infection from 4 strains of > human papilloma virus which is resonsible for 70% of all cervical > cancers? > > I took my daughter back to the Pediatrician one more time to check > the area where the lump was, and there is nothing there nor does it > show on the ultrasound. The Doctor noticed I had signed a waiver > against it when there last month because the focus was on the lump we > all had felt - not vaccines. > > I teach this in Health and present facts unpersuasively. Now it is > time to make decisions for my own 15 1/2 year old. In my heart I do > not want her to have these 3 vaccines. In front of the Doctor she > blurted out, " My Health teacher in school last year told us about > this vaccine and I want it " . I substitute taught in her school last > year, and she never shared her Health notes, topics, or projects with > me. I was distressed over this. Yet, when she has sleep overs we > talk about Health and even watch some of my educational videos > together regarding human sexuality, etc. I know her Health teacher > and did not approve of her dumping 20 colored condoms on the desk on > the second day of school. > > It is not easy raising a teenage girl today. We have become a > society that accepts youthful sexual permissiveness. > > I see a fast paced, self gratifying generation. In my daughter's > school, they dump condoms on the desk, TELL them to get vaccinated > because HPV can be spread past the genital areas next to the place > covered by a condom - such as the inner thighs and scrotum. I see > the curriculum being slanted toward accomodating peer pressure that > views sex as a recreational sport. > > Whatever happened to internalized morals, and abstainence? Now I > must do the job of Mothering my child (and being a Health teacher , > too) and use all my knowledge and beliefs that collide with my > daughter's 24 year old unmarried Health teacher's viewpoints. > > As I left the Pediatrician's office this morning, I told her no > decisions would be made until I researched CAM and then sat down to > have a heart to heart talk with my child. > > Any knowlwdge out there on this topic? In appreciation, and > in loving kindness, > > Linda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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