Second chance - Don't miss it! Phil Donahue on Fox - Bill O'Reilly

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September 22, 2005

 

Last night Bill O'Reilly was scheduled to interview

our dear Phil Donahue. Coverage of the malfunctioning

JetBlue plane bumped Phil, but it was on again at 11

that night. I feel blessed to have turned away from

hurricane coverage in time to see our unfaltering

Phil. Does he have a girl? Is the way to his heart

through his stomach? Anybody got a GOOD recipe for

Mulligan Stew?

 

Watch it above; he dumps a pail of water on O'Reilly.

Transcript below.

 

BTW - word from our side, last I heard, was that there

are about a quarter of a million at the D.C. protest.

 

Lisa, quoting:

 

 

O'REILLY: In the past Miss [Cindy] Sheehan has

criticized Israel, saying it is occupying Palestine,

has called Iraqi insurgents " freedom fighters, " has

accused Americans of killing people ever since we

stepped on this continent, has threatened Hillary

Clinton with the loss her job unless she calls for a

pullout of US troops from Iraq and has called the US

action against Afghanistan a failure. Quite a resume

and with us now is Phil Donahue, who supports Miss

Sheehan's " dissent. "

So, I'm assuming you don't - you don't support all her

positions that I just chronicled.

 

DONAHUE: Let's understand what's happening here. Once

again we have a woman who got to be just a little too

famous for the people who support this war, a minority

of the American population, by the way, and so the

effort to marginalize this woman is underway and

you're helping out.

 

O'REILLY: I'm the leader of the pack!

 

DONAHUE: You're suggesting ...

 

O'REILLY: I'm the leader of the pack!

 

DONAHUE: First of all, Cindy Sheehan is one tough

mother and nothing you say or anyone else is gonna

slow her down.

 

O'REILLY: That's fine. She has a right to ...

 

DONAHUE: You can't hurt her. She's already taken the

biggest punch in the nose that a woman can take.

 

O'REILLY: How?!

 

DONAHUE: She lost a son.

 

O'REILLY: Oh. OK.

 

DONAHUE: She's lost a child.

 

O'REILLY: But look - I'm not puttin' words in her

mouth ...

 

DONAHUE: And by the way, she is going to be at the

center of one of the largest rallies since the Vietnam

War. Proud, patriotic Americans who will show up in

Washington this week for one of the most massive,

largest demonstrations - protest demonstrations ...

 

O'REILLY: OK. And we'll cover it.

 

DONAHUE: ... right outside the President's window.

 

O'REILLY: And we'll cover it.

 

DONAHUE: And FOX is in the business of saying that

this woman is somehow saying un-American things -

hyperbole.

 

O'REILLY (getting angry): No. No. No. No.

 

DONAHUE: Listen to what she's saying.

 

O'REILLY (checking his notes): Nobody said she said

anything un-American. We say that her positions are

radical. And they are radical!

 

DONAHUE: Let me tell you what's radical. (getting a

little angry himself) What's radical is to send more

Americans to die in this war, which is a monumental

blunder by a President ...

 

O'REILLY (under his breath): Alright.

 

DONAHUE: ... who swaggered us into it with - by the

way - the at least tacit approval of the Democratic

Party.

 

O'REILLY (shifts in his chair, upset): You know what's

radical ..

 

DONAHUE: There's a lot of sin to go around here!

 

O'REILLY (angry, wags finger at Donahue): What's

radical for this -

 

DONAHUE (won't let O'Reilly finish sentence): Do you

want to send more people to this war?

 

O'REILY: Hey listen ...

 

DONAHUE: Is that your postiion?

 

O'REILLY: If we cut and run outta there, like you

wanna do, we would be putting every American in a

thousand times more jeopardy than they're in now.

 

DONAHUE (forcefully): We're going to cut and run

anyway, Bill.

 

O'REILLY: Well, that's your opinion. I don't think we

are.

 

DONAHUE: It's not my opinion. American military

leaders have said we're gonna draw down beginning next

year. The reason they've said that ...

 

O'REILLY(angry now): There's a difference between

drawin' down and cuttin' and runnin'!

 

DONAHUE: Alright....

 

O'REILLY (angry, jabs finger at Donahue): You're a cut

and run guy and I don't want my family in danger

because of you ...

 

DONAHUE: You wanna stay the course, don't ya'?

 

O'REILLY: Look.

 

DONAHUE: You don't ...

 

O'REILLY (getting angrier): Here's what I want to do.

I want to give the Iraqis a chance to train their army

so they can defeat these people who are tryin' to turn

it into a terror state.

 

DONAHUE (calmly): Bill

 

O'REILLY: That's what I want to do! Go!

 

DONAHUE: Bill. This - Iraq was not a terrorist state.

 

O'REILLY (exasperated): Oh, no!

 

DONAHUE: I hope I don't patronize you for saying ...

 

O'REILLY (dismissive hand gesture) : Saddam was a

swell guy!!

 

DONAUME: Saddam ...

 

O'REILLY (loudly, sarcastically): He was just a great

guy!!

 

DONAHUE (louder): Saddam - Saddam was a bastard, but

he was our bastard!!

 

O'REILLY: He wasn't anybody's ...

 

DONAHUE: Donald Rumsfeld shook his hand in the 80s.

 

O'REILLY: Alright. Well that's great.

 

DONAHUE: You saw the pictures! (reasonable tone of

voice) Now listen - listen. You wouldn't send your

children to this war, Bill.

 

O'REILLY (very angry, pointing): My nephew just

enlisted in the Army. You don't know what the hell

you're talkin' about!!!

 

DONAHUE: Very good. Very good. Congratulations! You

should be proud .

 

O'REILLY (starts to lose it, shouting, pointing

finger, hand shaking): And he's a patriot, so don't

denigrate his service or I'll boot you right off the

set!!!

 

DONAHUE: I'm not ... I'm not ...

 

O'REILLY (very, very loud): That boy made a decision

to serve his country!!! Do not denigrate him or you're

outta here!!!

 

DONAHUE (calmly): I'm not Jeremy Glick, Billy.

 

O'REILLY: That's right!!

 

DONAHUE: You can't intimidate me!!

 

O'REILLY: You're a little bit more intelligent that he

is!!

 

DONAHUE: I'm not somebody you can come and just spew

all your ...

 

O'REILLY: Don't tell me I wouldn't send my kids.

 

DONAHUE: Loud doesn't mean right!

 

O'REILLY: My nephew just enlisted. You don't know what

you're talkin' about!!

 

DONAHUE: Your nephew is not your kid. You are like ...

 

O'REILLY: He's my blood!

 

DONAHUE: You are part of a loud group of people who

wanna prove they're tough ..

 

O'REILLY (shifts angrily in his chair, under his

breath): Aw fer ..

 

DONAHUE: ... and send other people's kids to war to

make the case.

 

O'REILLY (very loud): You have no clue ...

 

DONAHUE: This ..

 

O'REILLY: ... about how to fight a war on terror or

how to defend your country. You are clueless! So is

Miss Sheehan and for Miss Sheehan to say that the

insurgents have a right to kill Americans and you're

shakin' her hand! You oughta just walk away.

 

DONHUE (quieter): How many more young men and women

are you gonna send to have their arms and legs blown

off ...

 

O'REILY: Hey, this is a war on terror!

 

DONAHUE: ... so that you can be tough (points his

finger at O'Reilly) and point at people in a kind of

cowardly way..

 

O'REILLY (disgusted, under his breath): Oh, yeah.

 

DONHUE: Take people like Jeremy Glick who comes on to

- in memory of his parents ...

 

O'REILLY: Oh bull.

 

DONAHUE: ... and you go off on him.

 

O'REILLY: Jeremy Glick accu ...

 

DONAHUE: ... like a big bully.

 

O'REILLY: Hey!

 

DOAHUE: Billy, you hafta be - you hafta feel sorry ...

 

O'REILLY: Mr. Donahue, with all due respect ...

 

DONAHUE: Have you apologized to him for that?

 

O'REILLY: Baloney!

 

DONAHUE: Do you know ...

 

O'REILLY: Jeremy Glick came on this program ...

 

DONAHUE: Do you know what I'm talking about?

 

O'REILLY: ... and accused the President of the United

States ...

 

DONAHUE (sarcastically): Oh, and you had to ..

 

O'REILLY: ... of orchestrating 9/11. That's what he

did. Right after 9/11!! Do you know what the pain that

brought the families who lost people in 9/11?

 

DONAHUE: This war ...

 

O'REILLY: You buy into left-wing propaganda ...

 

DONAHUE: This war ..

 

O'REILLY: ... and you're a mouthpiece for it. (shifts

in seat, clenched mouth) Go ahead.

 

DONAHUE: This war is not fair to the American troops.

This war is unconstitutional. This war turned its back

on the people who framed the most fabulous document in

the history of civilization. I speak of the United

States Constitution.

 

O'REILLY: Alright. Why ...

 

DONAHUE: This ... By the way ...

 

O'REILLY: Why isn't the Democratic party speaking that

way?

 

DONAHUE: I'm sorry that it isn't. I am. But let's

understand something ..

 

O'REILLY: Are we all ...

 

DONAHUE: Excuse me.

 

O'REILLY: Are well so misguided ...

 

DONAHUE: Excuse me. Twenty-one Democrats in the Senate

voted against this war as well as Jeffords, an

Independent, and- may the Lord shine His blessings

down upon Lincoln Chaffee ...

 

O'REILLY: Alright. I'm gonna say something and I'm

gonna ...

 

DONAHUE (louder, refuses to be stopped): I'm almost

finished, Billy!!

 

O'REILLY: I'm gonna give ya' the last word.

 

DONAHUE: I'm almost finished!

 

O'REILLY: Alright.

 

DONAHUE: Lincoln Chaffee, the only Republican in the

Senate to vote against this war. We should be building

statues to all these people. October 2002 ...

 

O'REILLY: Alright;

 

DONAHUE: ... they stood up to as President and they

knew that, first of all, only Congress can declare

war. Why is that unimportant to you, Billy?

 

O'REILLY: Listen. It's not - I'm not ...

 

DONAHUE: Become the patriot that your loud voice

proclaims you to be ..

 

O'REILLY: The loud voice ...

 

DONAHUE: ... and stand behind the Constitution and

insist that we never go to war again without the

approval and the consent of the United States

Congress.

 

O'REILLY: Alright . That's why we have the Congress.

If they want to take action, they can take action. Now

I'm gonna say somethin' then I'll give you the last

word. The Iraq War is not something I embrace.

 

DONAHUE makes surprised sound.

 

O'REILLY: It absolutely could be a tactical error.

 

DONAHUE: Well you should ...

 

O'REILLY (louder): Just listen.

 

DONAHUE: It's hard to know this.

 

O'REILLY (louder): Listen ta' me ..

 

DONAHUE: It's hard to know this.

 

O'REILLY: ... and I'll give you the last word. Not

something they embrace. Could be a tactical error and

we have not waged it the way I had hoped we would wage

it.

 

DONAHUE: But, what?

 

O'REILLY: But ,,,

 

DONAHUE: You want to send more kids ...

 

O'REILLY: The war on terror ...

 

DONAHUE: ... to die.

 

O'REILLY: We're in a war on terror. Our cause is

noble.

 

DONAHUE: It has nothing to do with the war on terror.

 

O'REILLY (louder again): Yes, it does. And if you

don't understand geopolitics, if you don't understand

Iraq would be a terrorist state if we pulled outta

there...

 

DONAHUE (loudly): It's a mistake.

 

O'REILLY: ... then you don't know anything. Go ahead.

 

DONAHUE: It was poorly planned ...

 

O'REILLY: Go ahead.

 

DONAHUE: ... and poorly executed but Bill O'Reilly

wants to send more kids to fight and die. We've

already had two thou - almost thousand - (gestures for

O'Reilly to hold off) - just let me have the last

word. In the last year two things have doubled. The

number of dead American troops in Iraq has doubled and

you know what else doubled, Billy? The price of

Halliburton stock.

 

O'REILLY (upset): Alright.

 

DONAHUE: From $33 to $66. That doesn't shame you? That

doesn't make you wonder ...

 

O'REILLY: I'm not upset by Halliburton stock.

 

DONAHUE: ... whether this is an enterprise that is

worth the support of the American people. We need you

at this rally on Saturday, Billy..

 

O'REILLY: OK. I'm not gonna be at your rally.

 

DONAHUE: We need you out there in front of it to

protest.

 

O'REILLY: I'm not gonna be at your rally.

 

DONAHUE: There is no democracy without dissent.

 

O'REILLY: I'm not gonna protest.

 

DONHUE: You should be proud of people who stand up and

dissent.

 

O'REILLY: I am. I respect your ...

 

DONAHUE: A lot of fine men died to give me that

freedom.

 

O'REILLY: You got. You got it. I respect your dissent.

I think you're way off in your analysis of the war on

terror.

 

DONAHUE: You want to send more people to die? Is that

your position?

 

O'REILLY: I wanna win the war in Iraq.

 

DONABHUE: Win. What does " win " mean?

 

O'REILLY: Means ...

 

DONAHUE: Tell me what " win " means?

 

O'REILLY: Means those people have a chance at

democracy.

 

DOPNAHUE: How long's that gonna take.

 

O'REILLY: I gotta go. I gotta go.

 

DONAHUE: How long's that gonna take?

 

O'REILLY: Those people deserve a chance at freedom.

 

 

" Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They

never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people,

and neither do we. "

 

George Bush, at the signing ceremony for a 417 billion dollar

" defense " bill.

 

 

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