Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Regarding the article on vitamin C... below in an excerpt about the quality of vitamin C. I believe it was posted on this web site some time ago. Since the quality of C varies so widley, my question is what is the best company who makes a natural, plant based, form of vitamin C?? I've heard that there is a company in Germany that makes vitamin C which is superior to most, if not all, others but I don't know the name of the company. Does anyone have any informantion on which is the best or extremely good? Also does anyone have information on the best companies to produce other vitamins? I understand that most are made from corn which is an inferior source for vitamins. I also have read that the vast majority of vitamin and suppliment companies use toxic substances to clean their production machinery. Any information would be greatly appreciated, thank you. ------- -- [editor's note - the fillers used to make Vitamin C tablets are often the cause of loose bowels, sometimes at doses as low as 500mg. Switch to straight powder without the fillers and you'll find you can take thousands of milligrams!] .... For any lay person to fully understand how dietary supplements and drugs are developed and come into being, they first must understand that a dietary supplement, or a vitamin such as Vitamin C, is not the same Vitamin C produced by different companies. The same chemical product produced by 2 different companies are almost never the same chemical, unless one company gave their exact manufacturing method (trade secrets to their competition) which almost never happens. Six different companies producing the same chemical will in essence, produce six different chemicals. The United States Government allows each product to have the same chemical name when they are closely related. The US Government never fully explained the differences in chemical products with the same name to the public. Vitamin C is in grapefruit and many other fruits. When it was discovered that Vitamin C had the potential to be a wonder drug or vitamin, researchers set out to find and separate the Vitamin C out of food. Once scientists found what the active chemical was that made up this substance called Vitamin C, the researchers wanted to make this wonder-drug using other chemicals instead of the very costly process of extracting Vitamin C from food. In other words have a " man-made " synthetic version of Vitamin C. Scientists found the active ingredient within Vitamin C was Ascorbic Acid. They also found that the chemical ascorbic acid has 2 different sides. Something like a battery. A battery has a plus and a minus side. Ascorbic acid has a Levo (L) side, which would be the minus side of a battery and a Dextro (D) side, which would be a plus side of a battery. In other words (L) in chemistry means Levo or minus and (D) in chemistry means Dextro or plus. Once scientists found that ascorbic acid or Vitamin C had a plus and minus side; they needed to find out what side of ascorbic acid would benefit people's health. Scientists discovered that it was the L or minus side of ascorbic acid that would benefit mankind, health-wise and that the D side or + side was a totally different product and didn't appear to benefit anyone. However, each side of ascorbic acid or combination of both sides of ascorbic acid is allowed to be called ascorbic acid or Vitamin C, even though the Lascorbic acid and D ascorbic acid are opposite and different and would have a totally different effects upon a person. Also the purity of ascorbic acid makes a big difference in how effective ascorbic acid is; or any other medicinal product. Also, the purity of any medicinal product, in actuality, changes the structure of the chemical and makes the product a different product, even though the FDA allows the chemicals to have the same name, though they are totally different; having different effects upon people. Once scientists learned how to " man-make " so to speak, ascorbic acid or Vitamin C, they now needed to separate the L side, which was the active side, from the D side which appeared to have no benefit at all. Vitamin C was now man-made and no longer needed to be extracted from grapefruit and other food products. Now the challenge was, just how pure was the industry going to make the L-Ascorbic Acid for human consumption. The answer from the industry was purely money. It's more expensive to produce a pure product than a not so pure product. Most every chemical company that produced Vitamin C or L Ascorbic Acid produced it at a purity of between 87 - 95% pure. They then sold it to vitamin companies to add ingredients called pill fillers, to make pills and sell it to the public as Vitamin C. Only one company that Kimball is aware of in the world produces L Ascorbic Acid at 99% purity, or above. The companies that tablet Vitamin C do not use the higher purity Vitamin C, because it costs a little more to purchase. However, in tests, the higher purity Vitamin C at 99% was 15 to 20 timesmore effective than all the other vitamin C products being produced. The cost however was only 4 times more for the higher priced Vitamin C product. It would actually be cheaper for the public to purchase the purer Vitamin C, simply because they would be taking 15-20 times less, while receiving better benefits from the purer product. For your information the only company in the world that Kimball knows producing L-Ascorbic Acid or Vitamin C at 99% purity and above is B.A.S.F. in Germany. There is only one company Kimball knows of that actually purchases B.A.S.F.'s L-Ascorbic Acid at +99% purity; re-crystallizes the L-Ascorbic Acid to gain even a higher purity level; places the extreme high purity L-Ascorbic Acid in a capsule without any fillers and sells the Vitamin C to the public and doctors. Kimball cannot disclose the name of the company doing this; simply because, the US Government would construe the Vitamin C being sold currently as a drug. This due to the content on this website stating how effective properly made L-Ascorbic Acid or Vitamin C is, in treating and preventing heart disease and cancer. You may review the effectiveness in the use of high potency Vitamin C under Cancer - Is There A Cure? and also FDA - Death By Deprivation where it talks about the fact, high potency Vitamin C is extremely effective in treating and preventing heart disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Take a look at the Vitamin C (tapioca derived) by BioImmune. It is in liquid form and Dr. Takamoto (sp) has had much success using it in the treatment of disease, especially cancer. _____ Regarding the article on vitamin C... below in an excerpt about the quality of vitamin C. I believe it was posted on this web site some time ago. Since the quality of C varies so widley, my question is what is the best company who makes a natural, plant based, form of vitamin C?? I've heard that there is a company in Germany that makes vitamin C which is superior to most, if not all, others but I don't know the name of the company. Does anyone have any informantion on which is the best or extremely good? Also does anyone have information on the best companies to produce other vitamins? I understand that most are made from corn which is an inferior source for vitamins. I also have read that the vast majority of vitamin and suppliment companies use toxic substances to clean their production machinery. Any information would be greatly appreciated, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 From my perspective there is NO difference between plant extracted Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C) and manufactured Ascorbic Acid. While there might be certain brands which have fillers which cause loose bowels on small doses, over the past 35 or so years of mega-dosing with C I have never encountered one. I have been taking more than 10 grams of C a day for the past 35 years, and more than 20 grams a day for the past 4 years. These days I use about half ascorbic acid powder I mix into my fiber drink I take twice a day, and the other half is 1,000 mg tablets from GNC. Alobar On 9/20/05, Dave R Hermanson <tumblweed4 wrote: > Regarding the article on vitamin C... > below in an excerpt about the quality of vitamin C. I believe it was > posted on this web site some time ago. Since the quality of C varies > so widley, my question is what is the best company who makes a > natural, plant based, form of vitamin C?? I've heard that there is a > company in Germany that makes vitamin C which is superior to most, > if not all, others but I don't know the name of the company. Does > anyone have any informantion on which is the best or extremely good? > > Also does anyone have information on the best companies to > produce other vitamins? I understand that most are made > from corn which is an inferior source for vitamins. I also have read > that the vast majority of vitamin and suppliment companies use > toxic substances to clean their production machinery. Any information > would be greatly appreciated, thank you. > > ------- > -- > > [editor's note - the fillers used to make Vitamin C tablets are often > the cause of loose bowels, sometimes at doses as low as 500mg. Switch to > straight powder without the fillers and you'll find you can take > thousands of milligrams!] > > ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Dr. Andrew While said the same thing on a morning news cast yesterday and I was stunned. Do you know what they make synthetic vitamins out of?? From my perspective there is NO difference between plant extracted Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C) and manufactured Ascorbic Acid. While there might be certain brands which have fillers which cause loose bowels on small doses, over the past 35 or so years of mega-dosing with C I have never encountered one. I have been taking more than 10 grams of C a day for the past 35 years, and more than 20 grams a day for the past 4 years. These days I use about half ascorbic acid powder I mix into my fiber drink I take twice a day, and the other half is 1,000 mg tablets from GNC. Alobar On 9/20/05, Dave R Hermanson <tumblweed4 wrote: > Regarding the article on vitamin C... > below in an excerpt about the quality of vitamin C. I believe it was > posted on this web site some time ago. Since the quality of C varies > so widley, my question is what is the best company who makes a > natural, plant based, form of vitamin C?? I've heard that there is a > company in Germany that makes vitamin C which is superior to most, > if not all, others but I don't know the name of the company. Does > anyone have any informantion on which is the best or extremely good? > > Also does anyone have information on the best companies to > produce other vitamins? I understand that most are made > from corn which is an inferior source for vitamins. I also have read > that the vast majority of vitamin and suppliment companies use > toxic substances to clean their production machinery. Any information > would be greatly appreciated, thank you. > > ------- > -- > > [editor's note - the fillers used to make Vitamin C tablets are often > the cause of loose bowels, sometimes at doses as low as 500mg. Switch to > straight powder without the fillers and you'll find you can take > thousands of milligrams!] > > ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 On 9/21/05, Dave R Hermanson <tumblweed4 wrote: > > Dr. Andrew While said the same thing on a morning news cast yesterday and > I was stunned. Do you know what they make synthetic vitamins out of?? > As these sorts of chemicals go, ascorbic acid is relatively simple, and easy to refine. Not something I'd want to do in my kitchen, but for a competant vitamin lab, easy to make good quality synthetic organic compounds without residues. Of course, if I had an extra $5000 in discretionary cash per year, I might make other choices. But on my budget, I gotta buy a lot of supplements for as little as possible. I go thru 2 pounds of C per month. Price differential between plant-base extracted C and synthetric is not too bad if one just takes 250mg a day, but it starts getting pricey at 25,000-30,000 mg/day. Multiply this by cost differential for 30+ vitamins and supllements, and the cost increase for going to plant extracted organics is more than I could possibly afford on what I am able to earn. Plus I take supplements which I do not think are available in any form orther than synthetic (benfotiamine, acetyl L-Carnitine, Alpha Lipoic Acid, MSM) to name but a few. Other supplemtents (like Diabeticine) are very expensive compounded natural products. I have no choice here but to buy Diabeticine at $75 a bottle (15 day supply). Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Could you please tell me(us) what diabeticine and benfotiamine are?? I'd like to know... I understand these sorts of supplements are not available in " natural form " Thank you. " benfotiamine, acetyl L-Carnitine, Alpha Lipoic Acid, MSM) to name but a few. Other supplements (like Diabeticine) are very expensive compounded natural products. I have no choice here but to buy Diabeticine at $75 a bottle (15 day supply). " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 I believe the question is not correctly put. The difference is not between natural or synthetic vitamin C, meaning plant extracted or chemically " transformed " ascorbic acid. Vitamin C is vitamin C. What plant derived forms have over the synthetic ones is that they may contain the flavones or the bioflavonoids, which have a synergistic effect, a vitamin C sparing effect, meaning the ascorbic acid can be re-activated after having done its job and re-used. Another important point seems to be that vitamin C is normally found in nature in the form of ascorbates, that is, a combination of vitamin C with various minerals. Pure ascorbic acid has neither the normally associated flavones and boflavonoids nor has it the minerals that make it into an ascorbate. The recent study that found intravenous vitamin C more effective may be showing the results it has shown because all intravenous vitamin C is buffered, that is, it's associated with a mineral, normally sodium, making an ascorbate, which is easier to assimilate. I mentioned that in a recent post on vitamin C http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2005/09/13/cancer_intravenous_vitamin_c_eff\ ective_treatment.htm If you have to use vitamin C in bigger quantities, combining it with a frizzy mineral supplement may help a lot. I am using Alkavital, a Danish mineral product mixed 1:1 with vitamin C crystals, and find it a good way to take several grams of vitamin C. Kind regards Sepp > > Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:50:17 -0500 > Dave R Hermanson <tumblweed4 >Re: Re: article on vitamin C... > > >Dr. Andrew While said the same thing on a morning news cast yesterday and >I was stunned. Do you know what they make synthetic vitamins out of?? > > > > From my perspective there is NO difference between plant extracted >Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C) and manufactured Ascorbic Acid. While >there might be certain brands which have fillers which cause loose >bowels on small doses, over the past 35 or so years of mega-dosing >with C I have never encountered one. I have been taking more than 10 >grams of C a day for the past 35 years, and more than 20 grams a day >for the past 4 years. These days I use about half ascorbic acid >powder I mix into my fiber drink I take twice a day, and the other >half is 1,000 mg tablets from GNC. > >Alobar > > > >On 9/20/05, Dave R Hermanson <tumblweed4 wrote: >> Regarding the article on vitamin C... >> below in an excerpt about the quality of vitamin C. I believe it was >> posted on this web site some time ago. Since the quality of C varies >> so widley, my question is what is the best company who makes a >> natural, plant based, form of vitamin C?? I've heard that there is a >> company in Germany that makes vitamin C which is superior to most, >> if not all, others but I don't know the name of the company. Does >> anyone have any informantion on which is the best or extremely good? >> >> Also does anyone have information on the best companies to >> produce other vitamins? I understand that most are made >> from corn which is an inferior source for vitamins. I also have read >> that the vast majority of vitamin and suppliment companies use >> toxic substances to clean their production machinery. Any information >> would be greatly appreciated, thank you. >> >> >------- >> -- >> >> [editor's note - the fillers used to make Vitamin C tablets are often >> the cause of loose bowels, sometimes at doses as low as 500mg. Switch >to >> straight powder without the fillers and you'll find you can take > > thousands of milligrams!] -- The individual is supreme and finds its way through intuition. Sepp Hasslberger My page on physics, new energy, economy: http://www.hasslberger.com/ Critical perspective on Health: http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/ Freedom of choice - La Leva di Archimede: http://www.laleva.cc/ La Leva's news: http://www.laleva.org/ Robin Good - http://www.masternewmedia.org/ Trash Your Television! http://www.tvturnoff.org/ http://www.tvnewslies.org/ Not satisfied with news from the tube and other controlled media? Search the net! There are thousands of information sources out there. Start with http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ http://www.truthout.org/ http://www.joevialls.co.uk/ http://www.Rense.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 I can relate to what you say, Sepp. I try to remember to take a bioflavanoid tablet a day. I generally take minerals in small doese throughout the day, so the C gets turned into ascorbate in my gut. I used to buy buffered C with bioflavanoids from NOW Vitamin Company, which I blended with ascorbic acid to make a pleasant beverage of moderate tartness. But the NOW company changed the formula of their buffered C so I find it impossible to drink without gagging. A glass of water with 1/2 tsp of ascorbic acid plus 1/2 tsp of their buffered C tastes like it was made with ground up rotting grapefruit rinds out the compost heap. I have been looking for a nice inexpensive buffered C w/o any bad tasting additives, but have not found anything yet in my price range (under $50 for 3 pounds). Alobar On 9/22/05, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp wrote: > > I believe the question is not correctly put. The difference is not > between natural or synthetic vitamin C, meaning plant extracted or > chemically " transformed " ascorbic acid. > > Vitamin C is vitamin C. > > What plant derived forms have over the synthetic ones is that they > may contain the flavones or the bioflavonoids, which have a > synergistic effect, a vitamin C sparing effect, meaning the ascorbic > acid can be re-activated after having done its job and re-used. > > Another important point seems to be that vitamin C is normally found > in nature in the form of ascorbates, that is, a combination of > vitamin C with various minerals. > > Pure ascorbic acid has neither the normally associated flavones and > boflavonoids nor has it the minerals that make it into an ascorbate. > > The recent study that found intravenous vitamin C more effective may > be showing the results it has shown because all intravenous vitamin C > is buffered, that is, it's associated with a mineral, normally > sodium, making an ascorbate, which is easier to assimilate. > > I mentioned that in a recent post on vitamin C > > http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2005/09/13/cancer_intravenous_vitamin_c_eff\ ective_treatment.htm > > > If you have to use vitamin C in bigger quantities, combining it with > a frizzy mineral supplement may help a lot. > > I am using Alkavital, a Danish mineral product mixed 1:1 with vitamin > C crystals, and find it a good way to take several grams of vitamin C. > > Kind regards > Sepp > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Hi ALobar: Yes, I'm gagging my way through a bottle of Now " C with 'Noids " too. I thought I'd bought it before, but I don't remember the " compost " flavor. I was stuffing it into capsules, but now I just gulp it down. And I should say that I'm a vitamin and herb-popping health nut from way back and have tasted some nasty stuff, but...(!) I'll bet they change THAT formula again. -michael > > I used to buy buffered C with bioflavanoids from NOW Vitamin Company, > which I blended with ascorbic acid to make a pleasant beverage of > moderate tartness. But the NOW company changed the formula of their > buffered C so I find it impossible to drink without gagging. A glass > of water with 1/2 tsp of ascorbic acid plus 1/2 tsp of their buffered > C tastes like it was made with ground up rotting grapefruit rinds out > the compost heap. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 You have a stronger stomach than I do, Michael. When NOW changed the formula, I e-mailed the company & told them I had just opened a new jar which was probably spoiled by heat. They never gave me a clear response. Then when I went to the GNC where I bought the C from, the clerk told me about the change, then told me I could bring it back for a full refund, even if I no longer had the sales slip. Alobar On 9/23/05, Michael <yoonit wrote: > Hi ALobar: > > Yes, I'm gagging my way through a bottle of Now " C with 'Noids " too. > I thought I'd bought it before, but I don't remember the " compost " > flavor. I was stuffing it into capsules, but now I just gulp it down. > And I should say that I'm a vitamin and herb-popping health nut from > way back and have tasted some nasty stuff, but...(!) I'll bet they > change THAT formula again. > > -michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 I reply to say: *Diabetcine is an Herbal Formula for Diabetics with added Vitamins. *BenfoTiamine is a " fat-soluable form of Thiamine Vitamin B1. Anne--- In , Dave R Hermanson <tumblweed4 wrote: > > > Could you please tell me(us) what diabeticine and benfotiamine are?? > I'd like to know... > > I understand these sorts of supplements are not available in " natural > form " > Thank you. > > " benfotiamine, acetyl L-Carnitine, Alpha Lipoic > Acid, MSM) to name but a few. > > Other supplements (like Diabeticine) are very expensive compounded > natural products. I have no choice here but to buy Diabeticine at $75 > a bottle (15 day supply). " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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