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Regarding the article on vitamin C...

below in an excerpt about the quality of vitamin C. I believe it was

posted on this web site some time ago. Since the quality of C varies

so widley, my question is what is the best company who makes a

natural, plant based, form of vitamin C?? I've heard that there is a

company in Germany that makes vitamin C which is superior to most,

if not all, others but I don't know the name of the company. Does

anyone have any informantion on which is the best or extremely good?

 

Also does anyone have information on the best companies to

produce other vitamins? I understand that most are made

from corn which is an inferior source for vitamins. I also have read

that the vast majority of vitamin and suppliment companies use

toxic substances to clean their production machinery. Any information

would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

 

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--

 

[editor's note - the fillers used to make Vitamin C tablets are often

the cause of loose bowels, sometimes at doses as low as 500mg. Switch to

straight powder without the fillers and you'll find you can take

thousands of milligrams!]

 

....

For any lay person to fully understand how dietary supplements and drugs

are developed and come into being, they first must understand that a

dietary supplement, or a vitamin such as Vitamin C, is not the same

Vitamin C produced by different companies.

 

The same chemical product produced by 2 different companies are almost

never the same chemical, unless one company gave their exact

manufacturing method (trade secrets to their competition) which almost

never happens. Six different companies producing the same chemical will

in essence, produce six different chemicals. The United States

Government allows each product to have the same chemical name when they

are closely related. The US Government never fully explained the

differences in chemical products with the same name to the public.

 

Vitamin C is in grapefruit and many other fruits. When it was discovered

that Vitamin C had the potential to be a wonder drug or vitamin,

researchers set out to find and separate the Vitamin C out of food. Once

scientists found what the active chemical was that made up this

substance called Vitamin C, the researchers wanted to make this

wonder-drug using other chemicals instead of the very costly process of

extracting Vitamin C from food. In other words have a " man-made "

synthetic version of Vitamin C.

 

Scientists found the active ingredient within Vitamin C was Ascorbic

Acid. They also found that the chemical ascorbic acid has 2 different

sides. Something like a battery. A battery has a plus and a minus side.

Ascorbic acid has a Levo (L) side, which would be the minus side of a

battery and a Dextro (D) side, which would be a plus side of a battery.

In other words (L) in chemistry means Levo or minus and (D) in chemistry

means Dextro or plus.

 

Once scientists found that ascorbic acid or Vitamin C had a plus and

minus side; they needed to find out what side of ascorbic acid would

benefit people's health.

 

Scientists discovered that it was the L or minus side of ascorbic acid

that would benefit mankind, health-wise and that the D side or + side

was a totally different product and didn't appear to benefit anyone.

However, each side of ascorbic acid or combination of both sides of

ascorbic acid is allowed to be called ascorbic acid or Vitamin C, even

though the Lascorbic acid and D ascorbic acid are opposite and different

and would have a totally different effects upon a person. Also the

purity of ascorbic acid makes a big difference in how effective ascorbic

acid is; or any other medicinal product. Also, the purity of any

medicinal product, in actuality, changes the structure of the chemical

and makes the product a different product, even though the FDA allows

the chemicals to have the same name, though they are totally different;

having different effects upon people.

 

Once scientists learned how to " man-make " so to speak, ascorbic acid or

Vitamin C, they now needed to separate the L side, which was the active

side, from the D side which appeared to have no benefit at all.

 

Vitamin C was now man-made and no longer needed to be extracted from

grapefruit and other food products. Now the challenge was, just how pure

was the industry going to make the L-Ascorbic Acid for human

consumption. The answer from the industry was purely money. It's more

expensive to produce a pure product than a not so pure product. Most

every chemical company that produced Vitamin C or L Ascorbic Acid

produced it at a purity of between 87 - 95% pure. They then sold it to

vitamin companies to add ingredients called pill fillers, to make pills

and sell it to the public as Vitamin C.

 

Only one company that Kimball is aware of in the world produces L

Ascorbic Acid at 99% purity, or above. The companies that tablet Vitamin

C do not use the higher purity Vitamin C, because it costs a little more

to purchase. However, in tests, the higher purity Vitamin C at 99% was

15 to 20 timesmore effective than all the other vitamin C products being

produced. The cost however was only 4 times more for the higher priced

Vitamin C product. It would actually be cheaper for the public to

purchase the purer Vitamin C, simply because they would be taking 15-20

times less, while receiving better benefits from the purer product.

 

For your information the only company in the world that Kimball knows

producing L-Ascorbic Acid or Vitamin C at 99% purity and above is

B.A.S.F. in Germany.

 

There is only one company Kimball knows of that actually purchases

B.A.S.F.'s L-Ascorbic Acid at +99% purity; re-crystallizes the

L-Ascorbic Acid to gain even a higher purity level; places the extreme

high purity L-Ascorbic Acid in a capsule without any fillers and sells

the Vitamin C to the public and doctors.

 

Kimball cannot disclose the name of the company doing this; simply

because, the US Government would construe the Vitamin C being sold

currently as a drug. This due to the content on this website stating how

effective properly made L-Ascorbic Acid or Vitamin C is, in treating and

preventing heart disease and cancer. You may review the effectiveness in

the use of high potency Vitamin C under Cancer - Is There A Cure? and

also FDA - Death By Deprivation where it talks about the fact, high

potency Vitamin C is extremely effective in treating and preventing

heart disease.

 

 

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Take a look at the Vitamin C (tapioca derived) by BioImmune. It is in

liquid form and Dr. Takamoto (sp) has had much success using it in the

treatment of disease, especially cancer.

 

 

 

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Regarding the article on vitamin C...

below in an excerpt about the quality of vitamin C. I believe it was

posted on this web site some time ago. Since the quality of C varies

so widley, my question is what is the best company who makes a

natural, plant based, form of vitamin C?? I've heard that there is a

company in Germany that makes vitamin C which is superior to most,

if not all, others but I don't know the name of the company. Does

anyone have any informantion on which is the best or extremely good?

 

Also does anyone have information on the best companies to

produce other vitamins? I understand that most are made

from corn which is an inferior source for vitamins. I also have read

that the vast majority of vitamin and suppliment companies use

toxic substances to clean their production machinery. Any information

would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From my perspective there is NO difference between plant extracted

Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C) and manufactured Ascorbic Acid. While

there might be certain brands which have fillers which cause loose

bowels on small doses, over the past 35 or so years of mega-dosing

with C I have never encountered one. I have been taking more than 10

grams of C a day for the past 35 years, and more than 20 grams a day

for the past 4 years. These days I use about half ascorbic acid

powder I mix into my fiber drink I take twice a day, and the other

half is 1,000 mg tablets from GNC.

 

Alobar

 

 

 

On 9/20/05, Dave R Hermanson <tumblweed4 wrote:

> Regarding the article on vitamin C...

> below in an excerpt about the quality of vitamin C. I believe it was

> posted on this web site some time ago. Since the quality of C varies

> so widley, my question is what is the best company who makes a

> natural, plant based, form of vitamin C?? I've heard that there is a

> company in Germany that makes vitamin C which is superior to most,

> if not all, others but I don't know the name of the company. Does

> anyone have any informantion on which is the best or extremely good?

>

> Also does anyone have information on the best companies to

> produce other vitamins? I understand that most are made

> from corn which is an inferior source for vitamins. I also have read

> that the vast majority of vitamin and suppliment companies use

> toxic substances to clean their production machinery. Any information

> would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

>

> -------

> --

>

> [editor's note - the fillers used to make Vitamin C tablets are often

> the cause of loose bowels, sometimes at doses as low as 500mg. Switch to

> straight powder without the fillers and you'll find you can take

> thousands of milligrams!]

>

> ...

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Dr. Andrew While said the same thing on a morning news cast yesterday and

I was stunned. Do you know what they make synthetic vitamins out of??

 

 

 

From my perspective there is NO difference between plant extracted

Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C) and manufactured Ascorbic Acid. While

there might be certain brands which have fillers which cause loose

bowels on small doses, over the past 35 or so years of mega-dosing

with C I have never encountered one. I have been taking more than 10

grams of C a day for the past 35 years, and more than 20 grams a day

for the past 4 years. These days I use about half ascorbic acid

powder I mix into my fiber drink I take twice a day, and the other

half is 1,000 mg tablets from GNC.

 

Alobar

 

 

 

On 9/20/05, Dave R Hermanson <tumblweed4 wrote:

> Regarding the article on vitamin C...

> below in an excerpt about the quality of vitamin C. I believe it was

> posted on this web site some time ago. Since the quality of C varies

> so widley, my question is what is the best company who makes a

> natural, plant based, form of vitamin C?? I've heard that there is a

> company in Germany that makes vitamin C which is superior to most,

> if not all, others but I don't know the name of the company. Does

> anyone have any informantion on which is the best or extremely good?

>

> Also does anyone have information on the best companies to

> produce other vitamins? I understand that most are made

> from corn which is an inferior source for vitamins. I also have read

> that the vast majority of vitamin and suppliment companies use

> toxic substances to clean their production machinery. Any information

> would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

>

>

-------

> --

>

> [editor's note - the fillers used to make Vitamin C tablets are often

> the cause of loose bowels, sometimes at doses as low as 500mg. Switch

to

> straight powder without the fillers and you'll find you can take

> thousands of milligrams!]

>

> ...

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On 9/21/05, Dave R Hermanson <tumblweed4 wrote:

>

> Dr. Andrew While said the same thing on a morning news cast yesterday and

> I was stunned. Do you know what they make synthetic vitamins out of??

>

 

As these sorts of chemicals go, ascorbic acid is relatively simple,

and easy to refine. Not something I'd want to do in my kitchen, but

for a competant vitamin lab, easy to make good quality synthetic

organic compounds without residues.

 

Of course, if I had an extra $5000 in discretionary cash per year, I

might make other choices. But on my budget, I gotta buy a lot of

supplements for as little as possible.

 

I go thru 2 pounds of C per month. Price differential between

plant-base extracted C and synthetric is not too bad if one just takes

250mg a day, but it starts getting pricey at 25,000-30,000 mg/day.

Multiply this by cost differential for 30+ vitamins and supllements,

and the cost increase for going to plant extracted organics is more

than I could possibly afford on what I am able to earn.

 

Plus I take supplements which I do not think are available in any form

orther than synthetic (benfotiamine, acetyl L-Carnitine, Alpha Lipoic

Acid, MSM) to name but a few.

 

Other supplemtents (like Diabeticine) are very expensive compounded

natural products. I have no choice here but to buy Diabeticine at $75

a bottle (15 day supply).

 

Alobar

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Could you please tell me(us) what diabeticine and benfotiamine are??

I'd like to know...

 

I understand these sorts of supplements are not available in " natural

form "

Thank you.

 

" benfotiamine, acetyl L-Carnitine, Alpha Lipoic

Acid, MSM) to name but a few.

 

Other supplements (like Diabeticine) are very expensive compounded

natural products. I have no choice here but to buy Diabeticine at $75

a bottle (15 day supply). "

 

 

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I believe the question is not correctly put. The difference is not

between natural or synthetic vitamin C, meaning plant extracted or

chemically " transformed " ascorbic acid.

 

Vitamin C is vitamin C.

 

What plant derived forms have over the synthetic ones is that they

may contain the flavones or the bioflavonoids, which have a

synergistic effect, a vitamin C sparing effect, meaning the ascorbic

acid can be re-activated after having done its job and re-used.

 

Another important point seems to be that vitamin C is normally found

in nature in the form of ascorbates, that is, a combination of

vitamin C with various minerals.

 

Pure ascorbic acid has neither the normally associated flavones and

boflavonoids nor has it the minerals that make it into an ascorbate.

 

The recent study that found intravenous vitamin C more effective may

be showing the results it has shown because all intravenous vitamin C

is buffered, that is, it's associated with a mineral, normally

sodium, making an ascorbate, which is easier to assimilate.

 

I mentioned that in a recent post on vitamin C

 

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2005/09/13/cancer_intravenous_vitamin_c_eff\

ective_treatment.htm

 

 

If you have to use vitamin C in bigger quantities, combining it with

a frizzy mineral supplement may help a lot.

 

I am using Alkavital, a Danish mineral product mixed 1:1 with vitamin

C crystals, and find it a good way to take several grams of vitamin C.

 

Kind regards

Sepp

 

 

 

 

>

> Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:50:17 -0500

> Dave R Hermanson <tumblweed4

>Re: Re: article on vitamin C...

>

>

>Dr. Andrew While said the same thing on a morning news cast yesterday and

>I was stunned. Do you know what they make synthetic vitamins out of??

>

>

>

> From my perspective there is NO difference between plant extracted

>Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C) and manufactured Ascorbic Acid. While

>there might be certain brands which have fillers which cause loose

>bowels on small doses, over the past 35 or so years of mega-dosing

>with C I have never encountered one. I have been taking more than 10

>grams of C a day for the past 35 years, and more than 20 grams a day

>for the past 4 years. These days I use about half ascorbic acid

>powder I mix into my fiber drink I take twice a day, and the other

>half is 1,000 mg tablets from GNC.

>

>Alobar

>

>

>

>On 9/20/05, Dave R Hermanson <tumblweed4 wrote:

>> Regarding the article on vitamin C...

>> below in an excerpt about the quality of vitamin C. I believe it was

>> posted on this web site some time ago. Since the quality of C varies

>> so widley, my question is what is the best company who makes a

>> natural, plant based, form of vitamin C?? I've heard that there is a

>> company in Germany that makes vitamin C which is superior to most,

>> if not all, others but I don't know the name of the company. Does

>> anyone have any informantion on which is the best or extremely good?

>>

>> Also does anyone have information on the best companies to

>> produce other vitamins? I understand that most are made

>> from corn which is an inferior source for vitamins. I also have read

>> that the vast majority of vitamin and suppliment companies use

>> toxic substances to clean their production machinery. Any information

>> would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

>>

>>

>-------

>> --

>>

>> [editor's note - the fillers used to make Vitamin C tablets are often

>> the cause of loose bowels, sometimes at doses as low as 500mg. Switch

>to

>> straight powder without the fillers and you'll find you can take

> > thousands of milligrams!]

 

 

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I can relate to what you say, Sepp. I try to remember to take a

bioflavanoid tablet a day. I generally take minerals in small doese

throughout the day, so the C gets turned into ascorbate in my gut.

 

I used to buy buffered C with bioflavanoids from NOW Vitamin Company,

which I blended with ascorbic acid to make a pleasant beverage of

moderate tartness. But the NOW company changed the formula of their

buffered C so I find it impossible to drink without gagging. A glass

of water with 1/2 tsp of ascorbic acid plus 1/2 tsp of their buffered

C tastes like it was made with ground up rotting grapefruit rinds out

the compost heap.

 

I have been looking for a nice inexpensive buffered C w/o any bad

tasting additives, but have not found anything yet in my price range

(under $50 for 3 pounds).

 

Alobar

 

 

 

On 9/22/05, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp wrote:

>

> I believe the question is not correctly put. The difference is not

> between natural or synthetic vitamin C, meaning plant extracted or

> chemically " transformed " ascorbic acid.

>

> Vitamin C is vitamin C.

>

> What plant derived forms have over the synthetic ones is that they

> may contain the flavones or the bioflavonoids, which have a

> synergistic effect, a vitamin C sparing effect, meaning the ascorbic

> acid can be re-activated after having done its job and re-used.

>

> Another important point seems to be that vitamin C is normally found

> in nature in the form of ascorbates, that is, a combination of

> vitamin C with various minerals.

>

> Pure ascorbic acid has neither the normally associated flavones and

> boflavonoids nor has it the minerals that make it into an ascorbate.

>

> The recent study that found intravenous vitamin C more effective may

> be showing the results it has shown because all intravenous vitamin C

> is buffered, that is, it's associated with a mineral, normally

> sodium, making an ascorbate, which is easier to assimilate.

>

> I mentioned that in a recent post on vitamin C

>

>

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2005/09/13/cancer_intravenous_vitamin_c_eff\

ective_treatment.htm

>

>

> If you have to use vitamin C in bigger quantities, combining it with

> a frizzy mineral supplement may help a lot.

>

> I am using Alkavital, a Danish mineral product mixed 1:1 with vitamin

> C crystals, and find it a good way to take several grams of vitamin C.

>

> Kind regards

> Sepp

>

>

>

>

> >

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Hi ALobar:

 

Yes, I'm gagging my way through a bottle of Now " C with 'Noids " too.

I thought I'd bought it before, but I don't remember the " compost "

flavor. I was stuffing it into capsules, but now I just gulp it down.

And I should say that I'm a vitamin and herb-popping health nut from

way back and have tasted some nasty stuff, but...(!) I'll bet they

change THAT formula again.

 

-michael

 

>

> I used to buy buffered C with bioflavanoids from NOW Vitamin

Company,

> which I blended with ascorbic acid to make a pleasant beverage of

> moderate tartness. But the NOW company changed the formula of their

> buffered C so I find it impossible to drink without gagging. A

glass

> of water with 1/2 tsp of ascorbic acid plus 1/2 tsp of their

buffered

> C tastes like it was made with ground up rotting grapefruit rinds

out

> the compost heap.

>

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You have a stronger stomach than I do, Michael. When NOW changed the

formula, I e-mailed the company & told them I had just opened a new

jar which was probably spoiled by heat. They never gave me a clear

response. Then when I went to the GNC where I bought the C from, the

clerk told me about the change, then told me I could bring it back for

a full refund, even if I no longer had the sales slip.

 

Alobar

 

 

On 9/23/05, Michael <yoonit wrote:

> Hi ALobar:

>

> Yes, I'm gagging my way through a bottle of Now " C with 'Noids " too.

> I thought I'd bought it before, but I don't remember the " compost "

> flavor. I was stuffing it into capsules, but now I just gulp it down.

> And I should say that I'm a vitamin and herb-popping health nut from

> way back and have tasted some nasty stuff, but...(!) I'll bet they

> change THAT formula again.

>

> -michael

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  • 1 year later...

I reply to say:

 

*Diabetcine is an Herbal Formula for Diabetics with added Vitamins.

 

*BenfoTiamine is a " fat-soluable form of Thiamine Vitamin B1. Anne---

In , Dave R Hermanson

<tumblweed4 wrote:

>

>

> Could you please tell me(us) what diabeticine and benfotiamine

are??

> I'd like to know...

>

> I understand these sorts of supplements are not available

in " natural

> form "

> Thank you.

>

> " benfotiamine, acetyl L-Carnitine, Alpha Lipoic

> Acid, MSM) to name but a few.

>

> Other supplements (like Diabeticine) are very expensive compounded

> natural products. I have no choice here but to buy Diabeticine at

$75

> a bottle (15 day supply). "

>

>

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