Guest guest Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Dear Friends, Many people fail to understand why the alternate physicians have a quarrel with the allopaths. Modern medicine with all its fancy drugs, swanky research and glistening gadgets seems almost invincible and more than sufficient to conquer disease. But once you have been in the receiving end of this " science " especially while suffering from a chronic disease, you realise that all that glitters may not be gold. The allopathic principles may be surmised as under; 1. The symptoms are the disease. Therefore destroy the symptoms to destroy the disease. 2. Lack of physical symptoms denote lack of disease. 3. The physical body and a part of the mind alone are susceptible to disease. 4. All disease (or dis-ease) has to be fought on war footing as it is bad for health. 5. The physician knows best. The patient should remain a silent spectator to his skills. 6. Germs are the main cause of disease. 7. The body has no capacity to fight disease without the help of a doctor. There is no internal correction system.8. The body/mind complex cannot renew itself. 9. The external/internal environment is an enemy which is constantly seeking to destroy the body. 10. Nature is powerless against disease. 11. Disease is static and it can be fought only by medicines at the material plane. However almost all other forms of alternate healing are of the opinion that; 1. Symptoms are the body's language trying to point out the source of the problem or trying to let the body/mind/intelligence complex know that some anomaly has ocurred. 2. Disease begins at the karmic plane making its way down through the mental/emotional plane into the physical body. 3. Only the soul is disease free, man can be diseased at all other levels. 4. Not all diseases go against the body, many are a part of the development process (birth-childhood-youth-adult-old age-death) and indicate correctional processes taking place within the body which is trying to throw away toxins of the process. 5. The patient knows best, the physicians job is to assist the patient in his attempts to set right the malady and regain his former state of health. 6. Cracks in the immune system lead to disease. Germs cannot thrive unless an internal error has ocurred laying down the foundation of disease. In some cases the germs also may be the scavengors trying to remove the waste products generated as the immune system fights the disease. 7. The body is fully equipped to fight disease and the physician should interfere with proper life saving and vitality building exercises only when he feels that the vital force is loosing against the disease force. 8. The body/mind complex knows fully well what to do at every stage in case of disease unless its diagnostic and healing abilities have been compromised by human and mechanical forces. The inherent healing force of the body always tries to throw out the disease force from within outwards. 10. Though the environment and internal system is constantly at a state of flux the inherent idea is to achieve equilibrium and not to lead to further chaos. The position changes only at advanced old age when the soul starts preparing to shed the old body and acquire a new one. 11. Disease is a dynamic force and the physician should be able to deal with it at a dynamic level. If disease is not dynamic it can not affect the dynamic life/vital force in the first place. I think now the position of modern medicine vis a vis alternate medicine is somewhat clear. I would love the distinguished members of the list to add/distract to/from what I have tried to discuss. Love & Regards, Jagannath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Jagannath, thank you. I have been following this issue closely for many years and I have accumulated a broad range of knowledge, reading and life experience on the subject. I have a persistent dream of creating a longitudinal study to compare the morbidity and mortality rates of people who believe in the rightness of allopathic medicine and follow their doctors' advice, against people who avoid doctors or who don't follow the advice of MD's, for whatever reason. It would have to correct for issues such as diet and lifestyle. What I don't have is the money, resources or connections to get this project in motion. If anybody on this list has those kinds of connections and would like to collaborate with me at some level, I would love to hear from you. Thank you all, Nina Jagannath Chatterjee <jagchat01 Jun 27, 2005 8:16 AM ayurveda , connect_ticket , homeopathy_open , minutus , alternative_medicine_forum Why alternate medicine opposes allopathy. Dear Friends, Many people fail to understand why the alternate physicians have a quarrel with the allopaths. Modern medicine with all its fancy drugs, swanky research and glistening gadgets seems almost invincible and more than sufficient to conquer disease. But once you have been in the receiving end of this " science " especially while suffering from a chronic disease, you realise that all that glitters may not be gold. The allopathic principles may be surmised as under; 1. The symptoms are the disease. Therefore destroy the symptoms to destroy the disease. 2. Lack of physical symptoms denote lack of disease. 3. The physical body and a part of the mind alone are susceptible to disease. 4. All disease (or dis-ease) has to be fought on war footing as it is bad for health. 5. The physician knows best. The patient should remain a silent spectator to his skills. 6. Germs are the main cause of disease. 7. The body has no capacity to fight disease without the help of a doctor. There is no internal correction system.8. The body/mind complex cannot renew itself. 9. The external/internal environment is an enemy which is constantly seeking to destroy the body. 10. Nature is powerless against disease. 11. Disease is static and it can be fought only by medicines at the material plane. However almost all other forms of alternate healing are of the opinion that; 1. Symptoms are the body's language trying to point out the source of the problem or trying to let the body/mind/intelligence complex know that some anomaly has ocurred. 2. Disease begins at the karmic plane making its way down through the mental/emotional plane into the physical body. 3. Only the soul is disease free, man can be diseased at all other levels. 4. Not all diseases go against the body, many are a part of the development process (birth-childhood-youth-adult-old age-death) and indicate correctional processes taking place within the body which is trying to throw away toxins of the process. 5. The patient knows best, the physicians job is to assist the patient in his attempts to set right the malady and regain his former state of health. 6. Cracks in the immune system lead to disease. Germs cannot thrive unless an internal error has ocurred laying down the foundation of disease. In some cases the germs also may be the scavengors trying to remove the waste products generated as the immune system fights the disease. 7. The body is fully equipped to fight disease and the physician should interfere with proper life saving and vitality building exercises only when he feels that the vital force is loosing against the disease force. 8. The body/mind complex knows fully well what to do at every stage in case of disease unless its diagnostic and healing abilities have been compromised by human and mechanical forces. The inherent healing force of the body always tries to throw out the disease force from within outwards. 10. Though the environment and internal system is constantly at a state of flux the inherent idea is to achieve equilibrium and not to lead to further chaos. The position changes only at advanced old age when the soul starts preparing to shed the old body and acquire a new one. 11. Disease is a dynamic force and the physician should be able to deal with it at a dynamic level. If disease is not dynamic it can not affect the dynamic life/vital force in the first place. I think now the position of modern medicine vis a vis alternate medicine is somewhat clear. I would love the distinguished members of the list to add/distract to/from what I have tried to discuss. Love & Regards, Jagannath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 I can't recall the exact details, but I remember in the early '70s doctors in Los Angeles county went on strike for six months to protest the high cost of malpractice insurance. During the period when the doctors weren't practicing medicing, the mortality rate in LA county went down. I'm sure you can track down the details by using Google etc. Ron , Nina Moliver <ninalynn@b...> wrote: > Jagannath, thank you. I have been following this issue closely for many years and I have accumulated a broad range of knowledge, reading and life experience on the subject. > > I have a persistent dream of creating a longitudinal study to compare the morbidity and mortality rates of people who believe in the rightness of allopathic medicine and follow their doctors' advice, against people who avoid doctors or who don't follow the advice of MD's, for whatever reason. It would have to correct for issues such as diet and lifestyle. > > What I don't have is the money, resources or connections to get this project in motion. > > If anybody on this list has those kinds of connections and would like to collaborate with me at some level, I would love to hear from you. > > Thank you all, > Nina > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 I found this REALLY interesting....so i googled Here's some links http://yarchive.net/med/doctor_strikes.html http://drtong.com/vaccine.html , " marangneng " < marangneng> wrote: > I can't recall the exact details, but I remember in the early '70s > doctors in Los Angeles county went on strike for six months to > protest the high cost of malpractice insurance. During the period > when the doctors weren't practicing medicing, the mortality rate in > LA county went down. > > I'm sure you can track down the details by using Google etc. > > > Ron > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Well here are a few links about death rates dropping when doctors strike: Death Rate Drops During Doctor Strike In Israel http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/67.htm Though not giving specific info about doctors on strike, this article gives information on mortality related to iantrogenic (treatment for disease) causes http://drtong.com/drug_mortality.html Doctors' strike in Israel may be good for health http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/doctordeathrate.html In , " marangneng " <marangneng> wrote: > I can't recall the exact details, but I remember in the early '70s > doctors in Los Angeles county went on strike for six months to > protest the high cost of malpractice insurance. During the period > when the doctors weren't practicing medicing, the mortality rate in > LA county went down. > > I'm sure you can track down the details by using Google etc. > > > Ron > > > , Nina Moliver > <ninalynn@b...> wrote: > > Jagannath, thank you. I have been following this issue closely for > many years and I have accumulated a broad range of knowledge, reading > and life experience on the subject. > > > > I have a persistent dream of creating a longitudinal study to > compare the morbidity and mortality rates of people who believe in > the rightness of allopathic medicine and follow their doctors' > advice, against people who avoid doctors or who don't follow the > advice of MD's, for whatever reason. It would have to correct for > issues such as diet and lifestyle. > > > > What I don't have is the money, resources or connections to get > this project in motion. > > > > If anybody on this list has those kinds of connections and would > like to collaborate with me at some level, I would love to hear from > you. > > > > Thank you all, > > Nina > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Thank you all for your answers. I have been seeing this kind of information all my life. What I'm looking for is the opportunity to shape and create a longitudinal study that can evaluate the real impact of pharmaceutical medical treatment on large numbers of people. Anyone who has the resources or contacts to help set something like this up will receive much appreciation from me. Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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