Flax oil causes cancer?

[Guest guest]

I am reacting to the following disturbing news appearing on Alternative Medicine

contributed by Pipetman9, on 19 June, 2005.

This is unbelievable. It shakes and topples down the entire work of Dr. Budwig.

Therefore I can't believe in this nonsense that PUFA such as flax oil etc can

cause cancer. Rather it removes cancer.

The researchers or people who got cancer from flax oil might not have been

careful of the rancidity of the oils (expired, left to heat) or they used just

the oil without the sulfurated protein such as cottage cheese.

Ratan.

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" yes, for more than half a century it is known that PUFA like flax oil or fish

oil or sunflower oil produce toxic lipidperoxides that are a main factor of

cancer and most other disease of civilisation. Those who want to sell PUFA

call them essential fatty acids or Vitamin F. 19 June, 2005 "

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Ratan Singh

M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.

Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. Wolpe's Unit)

Hypnotist, Biofeedback and Meditation Therapist.

Family and Marital and Sex Therapist.

Consultant in Jaipur Hospital, India.

psych_58,

www.jaipurmart.com/trade/meditationandhealth,

meditationandcancer-

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Doesn't the Budwig diet consist of taking FRESHLY ground flax seeds,

combining them with high-quality dairy and eating it immediately?

That's a far cry from the isolated PUFA oils that are sold in jars,

and start to go bad as soon as you open them. They are extremely

perishable in this form.

 

That combination is reminiscent of Weston Price's admonition to always

take cod liver oil with high vitamin raw butter. Legend has it that he

used this combination to revive the nearly dead.

 

In all the healthy groups of people he studied around the world, none

consumed PUFA oils in isolation. The PUFAs would be part of the nuts

and seeds that were eaten.

 

 

Naomi

 

, " Ratan Singh "

<psych_58> wrote:

> I am reacting to the following disturbing news appearing on

Alternative Medicine contributed by Pipetman9@a..., on 19

June, 2005.

> This is unbelievable. It shakes and topples down the entire work of

Dr. Budwig. Therefore I can't believe in this nonsense that PUFA such

as flax oil etc can cause cancer. Rather it removes cancer.

> The researchers or people who got cancer from flax oil might not

have been careful of the rancidity of the oils (expired, left to heat)

or they used just the oil without the sulfurated protein such as

cottage cheese.

> Ratan.

> ---------

> " yes, for more than half a century it is known that PUFA like flax

oil or fish

> oil or sunflower oil produce toxic lipidperoxides that are a main

factor of

> cancer and most other disease of civilisation. Those who want to

sell PUFA

> call them essential fatty acids or Vitamin F. 19 June, 2005 "

> --------

> Ratan Singh

> M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology,

Ph.D.

> Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. Wolpe's Unit)

> Hypnotist, Biofeedback and Meditation Therapist.

> Family and Marital and Sex Therapist.

> Consultant in Jaipur Hospital, India.

> psych_58,

> www.jaipurmart.com/trade/meditationandhealth,

> meditationandcancer-

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am on 2 flaxseed oil e-lists. Many people use flaxseed oil plus

ground flax seed (to get more lignans) plus cottage cheese. Many many

testimonials of cancer reversals and cures from using flaxseed oil.

 

So I do not see how people can say flaxseed oil causes cancer. I

suspect the drug companies which want us eating bad foods and staying away

from thing which keep us healthy want us to believe that flaxseed oil is

unsafe. That way, the drug companies get to sell more of their harmful

drugs.

 

Alobar

 

 

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" Naomi Giuliano " <n.giuliano

 

Tuesday, June 21, 2005 4:51 PM

Re: Flax oil causes cancer?

 

 

> Doesn't the Budwig diet consist of taking FRESHLY ground flax seeds,

> combining them with high-quality dairy and eating it immediately?

> That's a far cry from the isolated PUFA oils that are sold in jars,

> and start to go bad as soon as you open them. They are extremely

> perishable in this form.

 

Keep the oil refrigerated. Buy from a company which refrigerates

the oil from manufacture to the store which sells it. Do not buy flaxseed

oil from stores which do not keep it refrigerated.

[Guest guest]

Once more I feel compelled to tell you, that Udo Erasmus, and many other

researchers, particularly members of the Hygienic group of naturopaths, oppose

or strongly oppose the use of cottage cheese, and all other forms of dairy,

Erasmus believes that flax oil has many curative powers, but has made clear on

his web page, that he sees no reason to include cottage cheese in the process of

using flax oil to treat various illnesses, and, if I remember correctly, felt

that its inclusion might actually worsen matters. In any case, the Budwig

protocol, is, like all other nutritional advice, subject to ongoing scientific

scrutiny and validation, and should not be viewed as set in stone, and

inviolable, though it seems clear to me that no appeal will soften the obdurate

attitude that some of her followers have, about following her recommendations,

as if they were handed down by God Himself.

 

Unless I've misunderstood the comments made by Giuliano, the concern was

principally with the freshness and stability of flax oil, and that people were

being advised to consume only the minutest quantities of these oils. What we

need are counter-arguments from the pro-flax-oil people. I'm intrigued by the

notion that flax oil and other highly fragile oils, when we ingest them, are

exposed to very warm temperatures in the body where, presumably, they rapidly

become rancid. Until this matter is cleared up, I'm returning to a more

conservative daily use of 1/2 tsp of fish oil, and no more than 1 tbs of

flaxseed, ground freshly at the moment I use it.

 

JP

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Alobar

 

Many people use flaxseed oil plus

ground flax seed (to get more lignans) plus cottage cheese. Many many

testimonials of cancer reversals and cures from using flaxseed oil.

(snip)

 

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" Naomi Giuliano " <n.giuliano

Flax oil causes cancer?

 

Keep the oil refrigerated. Buy from a company which refrigerates

the oil from manufacture to the store which sells it. Do not buy flaxseed

oil from stores which do not keep it refrigerated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I don't have cancer & never did. So I can only pass on what I have

read. In *large* doses of Flaxseed oil (1 tablespoon per 50 pounds of body

weight) it is felt to be imperative to blend intimately with quark or

cottage cheese. The stuff I have read talk about the need for sulfur

containing amino acids blended in with the oil.

 

I can't speak of the chemistry. I am sure no researcher. But I

have read many many people who claim to have been cured of many different

kinds of cancers using this method. I do wonder if one could use MSM

instead of cottage cheese, but I have not read of anyone doing that.

 

Alobar

 

PS

I respect Erasmus, but there are people who cure cancer with the cottage

cheese, and there are some who say the flaxseed oil is ineffective for

cancer. Those who say it is ineffective, use flaxseed w/o the cottage

cheese. So I would tend to go with the Budwig protocol, no matter what

Erazmus says. At least until someone comes up with something better.

 

 

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" John Polifronio " <counterpnt

 

Wednesday, June 22, 2005 5:08 PM

Re: Re: Flax oil causes cancer?

 

 

> Once more I feel compelled to tell you, that Udo Erasmus, and many other

> researchers, particularly members of the Hygienic group of naturopaths,

> oppose or strongly oppose the use of cottage cheese, and all other forms

> of dairy, Erasmus believes that flax oil has many curative powers, but

> has made clear on his web page, that he sees no reason to include cottage

> cheese in the process of using flax oil to treat various illnesses, and,

> if I remember correctly, felt that its inclusion might actually worsen

> matters.

[Guest guest]

On 6/22/05, John Polifronio <counterpnt wrote:

 

> Unless I've misunderstood the comments made by Giuliano, the concern was

principally

> with the freshness and stability of flax oil, and that people were being

advised to consume > only the minutest quantities of these oils.

 

Yes, the freshness of flax oil concerns me, as I have a bottle in the

fridge right now that I've had for a while, and the expiration date is

illegible. It smells okay, and doesn't smell rancid, but I wonder if I

should just throw it out.

 

> What we need are counter-arguments from the pro-flax-oil people. I'm

intrigued by the

> notion that flax oil and other highly fragile oils, when we ingest them, are

exposed to very

> warm temperatures in the body where, presumably, they rapidly become rancid.

 

Exactly. Once consumed, how long are they in the body at this

non-optimal temperature? I'm sceptical of foods that need to be

refrigerated for their whole shelf life.

 

Naomi

[Guest guest]

, " John Polifronio "

<counterpnt@e...> wrote:

> Once more I feel compelled to tell you, that Udo Erasmus, and many

other researchers, particularly members of the Hygienic group of

naturopaths, oppose or strongly oppose the use of cottage cheese,

and all other forms of dairy, Erasmus believes that flax oil has

many curative powers, but has made clear on his web page, that he

sees no reason to include cottage cheese in the process of using

flax oil to treat various illnesses, and, if I remember correctly,

felt that its inclusion might actually worsen matters. In any case,

the Budwig protocol, is, like all other nutritional advice, subject

to ongoing scientific scrutiny and validation, and should not be

viewed as set in stone, and inviolable, though it seems clear to me

that no appeal will soften the obdurate attitude that some of her

followers have, about following her recommendations, as if they

were handed down by God Himself.

>

> Unless I've misunderstood the comments made by Giuliano, the

concern was principally with the freshness and stability of flax

oil, and that people were being advised to consume only the minutest

quantities of these oils. What we need are counter-arguments from

the pro-flax-oil people. I'm intrigued by the notion that flax oil

and other highly fragile oils, when we ingest them, are exposed to

very warm temperatures in the body where, presumably, they rapidly

become rancid. Until this matter is cleared up, I'm returning to a

more conservative daily use of 1/2 tsp of fish oil, and no more than

1 tbs of flaxseed, ground freshly at the moment I use it.

 

> JP

 

The notion that flaxseed oil alone with " cure " cancer is an ill-

conceived notion. There are other parts of Budwig's diet

recommendations which should not be ignored! I was literally amazed

when I came across the entire Budwig diet. This is just one small

part of her dietary protocol. When using flaxseed oils for omega 3s,

it is important to include a high quality refrigerated oil (Udo's

oil is a good source for all the combined omegas, is a high quality

oil and is refrigerated in transit which eliminates the rancidity

problems (!)) and adhere to ALL of Budwig's advice. This is just one

SMALL part of her regimen. Her research is very thorough, but her

work is misconstrued. We need to take advantage of all of her

research. Much of it is largely ignored!

Best Regards, JoAnn