Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 <<Today heart disease causes at least 40% of all US deaths....If, as we have been told, heart disease is caused by the consumption of animal fats, one would expect to see an increase in animal fat in diets. Actually the reverse is trueThe proportion of traditional animal fat in diets decreased from 83% to 62%, and the butter consumption dropped from 18 lbs per person a year to 4. During the same period the percantage of dietary vegetable oils has increasedabout 400% (margarine, shortening and refined oils), and the consumption of sugar and processed foods increased about 60%... I would add to this that animals that make the milk and meat are increasingly fed corn and other grains instead of grass, to add nmore bulk, and also things like cottonseed meal and other by products of other industries. " mothers milk contains a higher proportion of cholesterol than almost any other food. It also contains over 50% of its calories as fat, much of it saturated. Both cholesterol and saturated fat are necessary for the growth in babies and children, especially the development of the brain. Yet the american heart assoc is now recommending a lowfat diet for children! Commercial formulas are low in saturated fats and soy formulas are devoid of cholesterol. A recent study linked lowfat diets with failure to thrive in children' (so let your kid eat the stick of butter hes after...at least a little- I call my little guy " krishna " ) " A medical research council survey showed that men eating butter ran half the risk of developing heart disease as those eating margarine " >> Please don't take this personally, but... a problem with the above is that it is just a bunch of tidbits of info. that each have much behind them that needs to be considered. If you look at just the tip of an iceberg, for instance, you have no idea what more there is to it. Take for example the last statement. This is true because margarine in fact CAUSES heart disease. So men eating anything at all INSTEAD OF margarine would have less heart disease than if they were eating margarine. So, it really says nothing about the effect of butter per se. Or consider the paragraph about mother's milk, etc. This is such a mishmash of " facts " that need a lot more consideration. ( For instance, infants and small children need a very different diet from older ones. This is why Nature provided mother's milk.) What are the sources of the things put forth as given facts here, etc. My point is that taking a bunch of information like this (from who knows what sources) and stringing it together does not really afford any logical conclusions. Almost any one of the statements could be discussed at length and such a discussion would bring up a lot of information that would contradict the " conclusions " seemingly reached here. Shivani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Hi Shivani, All.... I believe that you're quoting Michelle on this? Take into consideration, please, that she does not quote without knowing who and what she's quoting. Much can be learned from her. I have many, many times. Contributing is one thing.. contradicting is quite another, this is a friendly list... people come for advice, help and knowledge. The person you just (injustly) accused of quoting from " whatever sources " really to my knowledge, has never done that. Instead, she researches and if necessary, re-researches before speaking at all. And she is " very well " educated, IMHO. And........for the record, she does have quite an idea " what more there is to it " . Sorry, but that's really just plain rude and won't do much of any good except to make others hesitant to post. One thing I've always loved about this list is the sharing, " nicely " of any recipes, (Chris, you " always " share!!!!!!!, list-Mom) and others as well, also the ability of citing sources without being ridiculed - hey, play nice! Sincerely, Marilyn SArjuna wrote: > <<Today heart disease causes at least 40% of all US deaths....If, as we have > been told, heart disease is caused by the consumption of animal fats, one > would expect to see an increase in animal fat in diets. Actually the reverse > is trueThe proportion of traditional animal fat in diets decreased from 83% > to 62%, and the butter consumption dropped from 18 lbs per person a year to > 4. During the same period the percantage of dietary vegetable oils has > increasedabout 400% (margarine, shortening and refined oils), and the > consumption of sugar and processed foods increased about 60%... > > I would add to this that animals that make the milk and meat are > increasingly fed corn and other grains instead of grass, to add nmore bulk, > and also things like cottonseed meal and other by products of other > industries. > > " mothers milk contains a higher proportion of cholesterol than almost any > other food. It also contains over 50% of its calories as fat, much of it > saturated. Both cholesterol and saturated fat are necessary for the growth > in babies and children, especially the development of the brain. Yet the > american heart assoc is now recommending a lowfat diet for children! > Commercial formulas are low in saturated fats and soy formulas are devoid of > cholesterol. A recent study linked lowfat diets with failure to thrive in > children' > (so let your kid eat the stick of butter hes after...at least a little- I > call my little guy " krishna " ) > > " A medical research council survey showed that men eating butter ran half > the risk of developing heart disease as those eating margarine " >> > > Please don't take this personally, but... a problem with the above is > that it is just a bunch of tidbits of info. that each have much behind them > that needs to be considered. If you look at just the tip of an iceberg, for > instance, you have no idea what more there is to it. > Take for example the last statement. This is true because margarine in > fact CAUSES heart disease. So men eating anything at all INSTEAD OF > margarine would have less heart disease than if they were eating margarine. > So, it really says nothing about the effect of butter per se. > Or consider the paragraph about mother's milk, etc. This is such a > mishmash of " facts " that need a lot more consideration. ( For instance, > infants and small children need a very different diet from older ones. This > is why Nature provided mother's milk.) What are the sources of the things > put forth as given facts here, etc. > My point is that taking a bunch of information like this (from who knows > what sources) and stringing it together does not really afford any logical > conclusions. Almost any one of the statements could be discussed at length > and such a discussion would bring up a lot of information that would > contradict the " conclusions " seemingly reached here. > Shivani > > > > My Pictures of Aromatic Plants and Exotic Places In Turkey > http://members.home.net/chrisziggy1/triptoturkey.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Shivani et al > that it is just a bunch of tidbits of info. that each have much behind them > that needs to be considered. If you look at just the tip of an iceberg, for > instance, you have no idea what more there is to it. Exactly- and I couldnt type all the information out there- all I am trying to do is to get people thinking- which has obviously worked... Michelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Thanks Marilyn- I was beginning to wonder if anyone appreciated all my rambling- I do try to avoid passing on misinformation- I do check and recheck- and look at who the information is coming fron- Michelle > Hi Shivani, All.... > > I believe that you're quoting Michelle on this? Take into consideration, please, > that she does not quote without knowing who and what she's quoting. Much can be > learned from her. I have many, many times. Contributing is one thing.. > contradicting is quite another, this is a friendly list... people come for > advice, help and knowledge. The person you just (injustly) accused of quoting > from " whatever sources " really to my knowledge, has never done that. Instead, > she researches and if necessary, re-researches before speaking at all. And she > is " very well " educated, IMHO. > > And........for the record, she does have quite an idea " what more there is to > it " . Sorry, but that's really just plain rude and won't do much of any good > except to make others hesitant to post. One thing I've always loved about this > list is the sharing, " nicely " of any recipes, (Chris, you " always " > share!!!!!!!, list-Mom) and others as well, also the ability of citing sources > without being ridiculed - hey, play nice! > > Sincerely, > > Marilyn > > SArjuna wrote: > > > <<Today heart disease causes at least 40% of all US deaths....If, as we have > > been told, heart disease is caused by the consumption of animal fats, one > > would expect to see an increase in animal fat in diets. Actually the reverse > > is trueThe proportion of traditional animal fat in diets decreased from 83% > > to 62%, and the butter consumption dropped from 18 lbs per person a year to > > 4. During the same period the percantage of dietary vegetable oils has > > increasedabout 400% (margarine, shortening and refined oils), and the > > consumption of sugar and processed foods increased about 60%... > > > > I would add to this that animals that make the milk and meat are > > increasingly fed corn and other grains instead of grass, to add nmore bulk, > > and also things like cottonseed meal and other by products of other > > industries. > > > > " mothers milk contains a higher proportion of cholesterol than almost any > > other food. It also contains over 50% of its calories as fat, much of it > > saturated. Both cholesterol and saturated fat are necessary for the growth > > in babies and children, especially the development of the brain. Yet the > > american heart assoc is now recommending a lowfat diet for children! > > Commercial formulas are low in saturated fats and soy formulas are devoid of > > cholesterol. A recent study linked lowfat diets with failure to thrive in > > children' > > (so let your kid eat the stick of butter hes after...at least a little- I > > call my little guy " krishna " ) > > > > " A medical research council survey showed that men eating butter ran half > > the risk of developing heart disease as those eating margarine " >> > > > > Please don't take this personally, but... a problem with the above is > > that it is just a bunch of tidbits of info. that each have much behind them > > that needs to be considered. If you look at just the tip of an iceberg, for > > instance, you have no idea what more there is to it. > > Take for example the last statement. This is true because margarine in > > fact CAUSES heart disease. So men eating anything at all INSTEAD OF > > margarine would have less heart disease than if they were eating margarine. > > So, it really says nothing about the effect of butter per se. > > Or consider the paragraph about mother's milk, etc. This is such a > > mishmash of " facts " that need a lot more consideration. ( For instance, > > infants and small children need a very different diet from older ones. This > > is why Nature provided mother's milk.) What are the sources of the things > > put forth as given facts here, etc. > > My point is that taking a bunch of information like this (from who knows > > what sources) and stringing it together does not really afford any logical > > conclusions. Almost any one of the statements could be discussed at length > > and such a discussion would bring up a lot of information that would > > contradict the " conclusions " seemingly reached here. > > Shivani > > > > > > > > My Pictures of Aromatic Plants and Exotic Places In Turkey > > http://members.home.net/chrisziggy1/triptoturkey.html > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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