Guest guest Posted December 4, 2001 Report Share Posted December 4, 2001 Butch, Thanks for the explanation. (they are packed tighter'n a gnat's > butt stretched over a wagonwheel.) Ouch! I bet that would hurt!! (Folks - its finer'n frog hair!) Now Butch and I know how fine frog hair is! (I have something they can't get otherwise without > signing over their bird dawg and/or first or next born young'un ... ;-) Don't we know it!!!!! Before I die, I want to go to Turkey and romp in those fields of roses. When I do die Butch, please put my ashes in an urn filled with rose otto. For those who don't know, Butch is the man for your eo's and hydrosols. Why guess when you can get the best? Cuz'n Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 Hi y'all, Maybe this old post will help .. Butch -------- > Can someone tell me the difference between the regular EO and a > hydrosol? thanks I'd be glad to tell you. Nobody should feel bad about not knowing such things cause its not knowledge we're born with and we dang sure don't learn it in school. Fact is, there are folks selling Hydrosols who will give you a line of Humma-Humma and start dancing a Shuffle-Shuffle if you ask them too many questions about the subject ... ;-) An Essential Oil is a volatile oil derived from a plant part - normally an aromatic plant and it can be from the leaves, blooms, roots, bark, needles, seeds or inner woody parts of that plant. VOLATILE IS AN IMPORTANT TERM - it is the other name for Essential Oils - Volatile Oils. Essential oils (to the purist - and I'm one) are the results of steam or hydro-steam or hydro-diffusion of those plant parts. I do not consider CO2 oils, Absolutes, Expressed Oils or other forms of plant extracts to be Essential Oils - even if they might be volatile. When we load a still with aromatic plant parts, we use a process of steam or hydro-steam to extract the volatile oils and this is a dynamic process that master distillers take pride in accomplishing because it can be done incorrectly. The water or steam in that still is heated to a boiling point and this creates the action called distillation. During the process, the volatile oils and some of the water will go from a solid/liquid to gaseous state, run through piping which then runs through a cooling unit - and they revert to a liquid state again. The volatile oil along with the waters that carry it (hydrosols/hydrolates) will slowly drain down into a Florentine Flask (or some other catch basin of a sort) and we will see those oils floating on top of the hydrosol. There is a petcock in that Flask and as the oil raises to a level above the petcock it runs down into a large glass catch jug. The Hydrosol in that Flask runs off into a catch area and its later pumped into a holding tank. So the EO is a volatile oil created in the manner I described above. An EO will contain those non-water soluable chemical components of that plant - the Hydrosol/Hydrolate will contain the water soluable parts of the plant and also the Essential Oil (non-water soluable) parts of the plant (in small amounts) so its factual to say a Hydrosol/Hydrolate will more closely approximate the true nature of the plant than will the highly concentrated Essential Oil itself. Accordingly, you'll have a different chemical profile twixt the two. Is one better than the other? Nope! They can complement each other to a great degree but they both have their own special uses. Contrary to some of information that is out and about, obtaining the Essential Oil is the true reason for distillation. Some claim that they distill for Hydrosol only and my reply to that is Hahahaha - and that reply is shared by all who are involved in commercial distillation down where the rubber meets the road. You might do that with a small table top still but from a commercial standpoint its financially irresponsible and incredible. Not a lot different than saying we bar-be-que a side of beef to get the tallow. BUT - there are still village folks around even here in Turkey, who use a crude form of stove-top distillation to obtain these aromatic waters we call Hydrosols/Hydrolates - but what they are getting is not really a true product of distillation but rather the condensation of steam following heating the plant material in water. So - from distillation we get four products - two are valuable for use in aromatherapy and natural healing and two are not. The valuable two are the volatile oil (Essential Oil) and the Hydrosol/Hydrolate. The other two products are the spent plant material - which is used as fuel or fertilizer, and the spent water that was used in the distillation process. The spent plant material will come out of a steam still on a plunger type device that is raised up from within the still. It sits on this plunger like sand dumped from a bucket by kids on the beach. The spent plant material from a hydro-steam still (like Rose blossoms) is discharged from the bottom of the still into a trough where it flows into a holding pond and it stays there until it drys - then its hauled off by the villagers to be used as fuel or fertilizer. The Hydrosol/Hydrolate and the spent water are two different animals. The spent water is no different than the water running from your washing machine after completion of all cycles. Remember, the Hydrosol/Hydrolate went through a process of converting from solid/liquid to gas and back to liquid and it carried with it a part of the Essential Oil - normally in a percentage of as low as .5% to as high as 10% in some plants. You can read that the range is .5% to 2% but that is not accurate info. My distiller in Australia has a heckuva lot higher concentration of EO in his Tea Tree Hydrosol and we have a higher concentration in the Oregano Hydrosol we produce here. Anyway - back at the ranch. The spent water is that water that actually came into contact with the plant material and is later discharged from the bottom of the still. It was boiled but not distilled - it didn't go from liquid to gas and back again, and it has no use whatsoever. Now don't get confused on the below info - its merely an explanation of a second distillation process of some Hydrosols/Hydrolates - or to be exactly correct, a second distillation of a water that is heavy with EO and will be the Hydrosol/Hydrolate after that second distillation. This other process is called cohobation - that is, a second distillation of a heavily-laden water/oil (or Hydrosol/Hydrolate itself) - NOT of the plant material itself. The plant material is dumped out before this process begins and this process is even conducted in a different still. Unfortunately, you can read in a recently published book that cohobation is repeated recycling through the plant material in the still - but it IS NOT TRUE!! ... :-( Try to redistill Rose Blossoms after the first distillation and I expect you might blow the still up because they are packed tighter'n a gnat's butt stretched over a wagonwheel. But it matters not what would happen because it isn't done in the first place! Cohobation is always done for two plants - Melissa and Roses - because the oils are precious. I'm not in the habit of preaching hypothetics or hearsay so I'll say that I have heard that Melissa is cohobated in the same manner as are Rose Blossoms - but I have not seen Melissa distilled so its heresay on my part. But I've probably seen more Rosa damacena (Rose Otto) distilled than any American or European around so I can speak with some authority on this one and I'm gonna use Rose Blossoms as the training aid for the point I'm making below. Cohobation means that after the first distillation - and catching the first (or raw) Rose Oil that results from that distillation, hydrosol is drawn off into a holding tank - then it is redistilled in a different still that is used for cohobation only. In that first distillation, we got maybe 20% or less of the Rose Otto that will be rendered from that process (which used 1,500 kilos water and 500 kilos of Rose Blossoms). The oil-laden water from that distillation still contains as much as 80% of the Rose Otto and at near $4,000 a kilogram - you reckon that anybody is gonna use that water as a hydrosol - or is gonna let collection of that remaining Rose Otto slide? So much for distilling only for the Hydrosol .. ;-) That second distillation (cohobation) is where the lion's share of the Rose Otto will be rendered. The first rendering (called raw or " chi " oil) is a dark oil that is so valuable that if sold it would fetch 10 or 12 thousand dollars a kilo. But its a small amount of oil. That raw or first or chi oil is drawn off, filtered and placed in the laboratory of the distillery while waiting the second distillation (cohobation) of the hydrosol/hydrolate or oil-heavy waters. When the cohobation begins, you will see that Florentine Flask begin to fill very rapidly with a golden colored Rose Oil. This'll make you excited - take my word for it. :-) The second Rose Oil coming into the Florentine Flask from the cohobation process is later be mixed with the first oil and it becomes the precious Rose Otto that thrills the soul. The Rose Hydrosol from that second distillation is again drawn off into a holding tank. What we wind up with is a Rose Hydrosol with a tested percentage of right at 1% Rose Otto in it. Folks - its finer'n frog hair! You CANNOT make a hydrosol/hydrolate by mixing distilled water and Rose Otto together. It will not have the proper chemical content that is found in a distilled hydrosol! Many of the Aromatherapy novels tell you how to do it but I'm telling you now - and willing to let you lose as much as you're willing to bet - that it CANNOT be done and aside from the lack of therapeutic value of the concoction you prepare, you will find many other drawbacks to anything you make yourself - like the fact that the Essential Oil will always float on top the water and you will have to shake it every time you use it - so why bother? Hydrosols are not expensive at the still - in fact, for most aromatic plant distillations (Rose is an exception) the hydrosol is dumped out with the waste water simply because there is more produced than there is a market for. I pay almost as much for the barrels to put my hydrosols in than I do for the hydrosols. When Chris visited Turkey the first time, she took a bath in 25 kilograms of Rose Hydrosol - first time that's happened here (I've been told) since Cleopatra did it a few years back .. ;-p By the time I am finished with all the permits and export processing, paying for air transport from Turkey to Baltimore International, paying freight forwarders and customs brokers in Baltimore and then for ground transportation from Baltimore to Friendsville .. we gotta buncha value added to that hydrosol. That value added is what folks are paying for - plus the fact that I have something they can't get otherwise without signing over their bird dawg and/or first or next born young'un ... ;-) That's as far as I'm going on this now and believe me folks, this is a short post. I can't begin to adequately describe the distillation process with words alone or in one post. BUT ... the URL Chris made of her trip to Turkey (which is on the damn bankrupt Home.com server) and the other URL (still good), where I explain and SHOW you the process described above are more effective in explaining the process. They take you from early morning harvest to transporting the Rose Blossoms to the distillery, loading the stills, and seeing the process of distillation - to include the first oil dripping into the Florentine Flask - and then the second oil. They also show you where we were standing under a vat of Rose Hydrosol letting it run all over our bodies, in our face and eyes and mouth and grinning like Cheshire Cats all the while ... :-) Check this URL .. and afore anyone asks, Chris saved her website so it is good to go when she gets a server .. ;-p http://www.av-at.com/distillation/rosadamascena1.html Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Bulk/Wholesale/Retail GC Tested EOs, Rose Otto, Hydrosols, Fine Extra Virgin Olive Oils and lots of other goodies shipped from Maryland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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