Banning Raindrop - YL Practioners Going Against It

[Guest guest]

You are more than welcome to forward any posts about this from my list

to any list that you please, Butch

 

*Smile*

Chris

 

The No YL Zone

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

Butch Owen wrote:

 

>

>Chris .. I would ask your permission to forward this entire post to Idma

>and his letter to the Idma List .. and Sosenada .. I can leave your

>name out if you prefer - or leave it in. I want to send it because it

>is there that these enemies he speaks of are and it they who are

>preparing this position paper .. and in a professional manner. It is

>being put together by medical personnel and researchers - not, as he

>says, a buncha aromatherapists with unfounded objections ... this

>position paper will stand on it's own merit and you can't prepare such a

>study with unfounded information. Stewart is afraid of losing $$$ as he

>has set himself up as a Young Living groupie and makes his money from

>teaching this crap.

>

>Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

>

[Guest guest]

I got it off a list I belong to called HealthLineOnline. Their archives

are public, so I figure anything off of the list can be posted anywhere.

No need to add my name, or you can if you want. Doesn't matter to me at

all. There are a lot of YL groupies there (I debated on calling them

acolytes:), so I see quite a few of these sort of things go through, but

this one struck me.

 

Blessings,

Soseneda

 

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>

>

> Butch Owen wrote:

>

> >

> >Chris .. I would ask your permission to forward this entire

> post to Idma

> >and his letter to the Idma List .. and Sosenada .. I can leave your

> >name out if you prefer - or leave it in. I want to send it

> because it

> >is there that these enemies he speaks of are and it they who are

> >preparing this position paper .. and in a professional

> manner. It is

> >being put together by medical personnel and researchers - not, as he

> >says, a buncha aromatherapists with unfounded objections ... this

> >position paper will stand on it's own merit and you can't

> prepare such a

> >study with unfounded information. Stewart is afraid of

> losing $$$ as he

> >has set himself up as a Young Living groupie and makes his money from

> >teaching this crap.

> >

> >Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Sosenada .. other good folks,

 

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT SUBJECT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Soseneda wrote:

 

> This is very long, and obviously from a one sided point of view (but,

> hey most things are). The below letter is pro-raindrop and pro-YL. So if

> you don't wanna read it, then don't. I thought it was rather interesting

> to see the reaction.

>

> Personally, I think YL is a really scary organization, and raindrop is a

> rather bad practice. Having had raindrop actually done (yeah, gotta try

> something before you knock it), and having gotten bad skin reactions to

> the oils, I am 100% behind the idea of not using oils neat on anyone but

> yourself. If you use it on yourself, it is your risk, and you hopefully

> have had or will build the experience to know what works and what

> doesn't. The oils used in my raindrop, I have never had reactions to

> before, when used neat on my body. However, the practioner was using all

> YL oils, so that may be the reason for the reactions and other problems.

>

> Anyways, read if you want, or delete if you want.

>

> Thank You,

> Soseneda

 

Good you brought this up and it's a heckuva lot longer now. It should

NOT be deleted by those who have inquiring minds .. I've been butting

heads with these con-artists for better than five years.

 

I could fill your hard-drives with information about this snake-oil

outfit and the unethical and unsafe practices they preach in order to

sell more oils and better enrich their up line .. but I'll send you to a

URL that will show you a bit about these folks and their leader who

calls himself a Doctor but who bought the degree from a mail order house

that has no legitimacy.

 

Read my notes here http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/ylfiles.html

 

And about MLM here http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html

 

And if you had the time, I would show you MANY post where I and others

have challenged Gary Young and the top management of Young Living after

having caught them in lies and deception and they never respond.

 

Plus .. this David Stewart, Ph.D., Executive Director, CARE, Inc., who

has a degree in history or economics or English or something of that

nature - is - in my opinion - an IDIOT! I call him an idiot because he

conducted himself in an idiotic manner when he presented his uninformed

poorly supported arguements on the Idma Aromatherapy List and got his

butt chased off as a result of it. Aside from that, he is not telling

the truth in most of what he says below so I can't believe that this

survey he came up with will report accurate information - and he has

said it will be confidential, who can determine otherwise. He is in a

panic so we can guess the outcome of his unscientific survey.

 

Chris .. I would ask your permission to forward this entire post to Idma

and his letter to the Idma List .. and Sosenada .. I can leave your

name out if you prefer - or leave it in. I want to send it because it

is there that these enemies he speaks of are and it they who are

preparing this position paper .. and in a professional manner. It is

being put together by medical personnel and researchers - not, as he

says, a buncha aromatherapists with unfounded objections ... this

position paper will stand on it's own merit and you can't prepare such a

study with unfounded information. Stewart is afraid of losing $$$ as he

has set himself up as a Young Living groupie and makes his money from

teaching this crap.

 

Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

-----------------

Marcia Elston just wrote him publicly on the Idma list and said:

 

QUOTE: " Hello David Stewart, PhD,

 

I am rather put off by your crass comments and accusations.

 

If you, claiming to be a doctor of philosophy from a credible

University,

recognize Gary Young's ND certificate from Bernadean University as

worthy

and acceptable, then I can only think that there must be something askew

with your educational standards. Bernadean University is a scam

operation, where anyone can send in the fee, answer a few questions

(even answer them wrong) and obtain a paper diploma to hang on the wall

to impress the uneducated. Bernadean is run by a little old lady in

California, and has been considered a nuisance/misdemeanor operation by

authorities in Los Angeles County, operating outside the law, i.e.,

Bernadean University is an illegal business. The authorities have shut

them down many times, but they simply move to another small house in a

residential neighborhood and set up shop by telephone again. There is

no campus. There is no faculty. There is no instruction. The mail

order degrees obtained from Bernadean are not acceptable for

matriculation into an honorable institution of higher learning and

certainly do not represent the academic accomplishment one might expect

from official colleges and universities.

 

This makes me wonder about your own academic credentials, Dr. Stewart.

Which U. of Missouri campus did you graduate from, and what discipline

is

your PhD in? I didn't find you listed as a faculty member at Southeast

Missouri State for the years you say you were on staff. A thorough

search of online databases do not reveal your publications, nor academic

standing.

 

Could you provide us more specific information so that we can validate

your credentials?

 

(HE HAS NOT !!! BUTCH)

 

Your assumptions regarding what most professionals here want are

completely off base and unfounded. There are reams of posts contributed

by the professionals and archived from this list with freely-given

information about essential oils, from chemical components to available

scientific research regarding efficacy, to botanical information about

the plants themselves, to perfumery, to extraction process details, to

trends in the marketplace, etc. There are also very credible anecdotal

testimonies and the gathering of volunteers for anthologies, just as

important as the more academic offerings. This sharing speaks for an

open community here, not the " hoarding " that you accuse us of. Where do

you see any professional here attempting to withhold information? As a

matter of fact, Gary Young has been invited to participate in

discussions here for many years, but has refused. If his teachings are

sound, they should withstand the scrutiny of peers, right?

 

It has been stated many times here that most of us wish the use of

essential oils to remain in the hands of the public (much as herbs are),

and we encourage 'safe' use so that personal use can continue to be a

right. It is the continuing practices of those who ignore the

generally accepted safe standards of use and who are lavish and

indiscriminate in the application of essential oils who would bring

regulation, not those who are proceeding with considered study and

caution. Safety data (to date) has been compiled, using industry

research, and many essential oils have proven to be harmful if applied

neat or undiluted, or in excess. This is good reason to be cautious.

The procedure of Raindrop Therapy is not cautious by any standards.

 

To ignore safety data and the potential for harm (which those who teach

Raindrop Therapy do) does not speak to the integrity of the company who

continues to teach this potentially dangerous methodology. Teaching

people to use essential oils for " self-care " , i.e., self-medication, is

not like Raindrop Therapy, which has to be performed by another person.

In most states (and with good reason) you need to be licensed as a

practitioner to administer medicine or treatment to another person,

whether it is allopathic or alternative. There is a big difference

between teaching someone the properties, hazards and effects of an

essential oil so that they can then try for themselves (in safe

dilutions and frequency) and pouring highly toxic substances down

someone's spine.

 

You'll get no argument from most here regarding the hazards of

allopathic

medicine, especially with regard to pharmaceuticals. Many of us here

are

embarking on new explorations and making discoveries within the range of

psycho-spiritual applications, as well as incorporating essential oil

usage into alternative disciplines (Ayurveda and TCM, for instance).

While we understand that double-blind scientific studies would not be

applicable to validate some of these alternative theories, we also

understand that any findings need to be credible and have benchmarks and

sound reasoning as well as a process of elimination that will validate

the results. To completely throw out the baby with the bathwater and

ignore the helpful discoveries and applications of medical science is

ridiculous, and are more like the ramblings of a paranoid lunatic than

considered opinions of one who claims to be as educated as you.

 

Your post here doesn't give any credible, positive reasoning for

Raindrop

Therapy; it only attacks those who would be cautious because of their

own

experience and education. This is the usual tact for most dedicated YL

distributors and I find your posts mostly fluff with no credibility.

 

Put your money where your mouth is and answer the questions I've posed,

and give us something substantial about yourself and RDT that might be

verifiable, and worthy of debate or discussion. Otherwise, keep your

mean and nonproductive remarks to yourself.

 

Be well,

 

Marcia Elston SAMARA BOTANE

http://www.wingedseed.com

 

>

> Dear Friends

>

> This is an urgent request and we need your response ASAP. If you or any

> of

> your friends, relatives or clients have benefited from raindrop

> technique

> and you would like to see the practice continue legally and unrestricted

> as

> it is now, then we need your input via the questionnaire at the end of

> this memo.

>

> There is an organized effort on the part of a sizable group of

> aromatherapists to abolish the practice of raindrop technique. And even

> though the basis of their objections to raindrop is unscientific and

> unfounded, to a person not familiar with raindrop or the quality of

> Young

> Living oils, their well articulated arguments against raindrop sound

> very

> convincing and even appear to be scientifically based.

>

> On November 25, 2001, a committee of the National Association of

> Holistic

> Aromatherapists (NAHA) completed a draft of a proposed position for NAHA

> that would make it a breach of the NAHA Code of Ethics for

> Aromatherapists

> (or anyone else) to practice Raindrop Technique. There is a lot of fear

> expressed in this paper and if this was the only information you had on

> raindrop, you would probably be frightened against ever doing raindrop

> or

> even trying it one time.

>

> None of the committee members drafting this paper have ever received,

> witnessed or done a Raindrop. As a member of NAHA, I asked to be on the

> committee, but was rejected because, they said, " This is going to be a

> paper

> against raindrop and since you are associated with Young Living and

> obviously believe in raindrop you would be prejudiced and your input

> would

> not be objective. " Their analysis and critique of Raindrop is based

> entirely

> upon the version of Raindrop described in the 2nd edition of the

> Essential

> Oils Desk Reference and as demonstrated in two YLEO videos with Dr. Gary

> Young.

>

> Their objection to the technique is based upon a popular misconception

> among

> many aromatherapists around the world (particularly those from Great

> Britain) that any application of essential oils neat is intrinsically

> hazardous and should never be done. They are especially concerned about

> oregano, thyme, birch, wintergreen, peppermint and lemongrass (and even

> valor) being applied directly to the skin.

>

> They also do not believe that anyone with scoliosis or other spinal

> curvature problems could possibly benefit from Raindrop and, therefore,

> allege that Young Living and others claiming that scoliosis clients have

> benefited from Raindrop are making false claims.

>

> They also object to people doing raindrop who are not " certified

> aromatherapists " with hundreds of hours of training in a NAHA approved

> school or training program.

>

> The position paper is being presented to the NAHA Governing Board in

> December and, if given the go-ahead, the paper will be circulated to the

> general membership for a vote approval, a process that takes several

> months.

>

> If it passes in its present form, NAHA the supporters of the paper will

> do

> everything they can do to educate the public, as well as health care

> professionals, of the " potential dangers " of raindrop. They will try to

> influence all of the massage therapy licensing boards in every state

> against

> permitting the practice of Raindrop within the scope of massage therapy.

>

> In

> other words, they want to see raindrop abolished from the face of the

> earth.

>

> I am a member of NAHA and a Raindrop Trainer, and have been asked by the

> NAHA President to comment on the proposed paper and to write an

> alternative

> paper if I wish. However, in order to successfully respond to the

> current

> draft being presented to the NAHA board, I need data. A questionnaire

> that

> we have been circulating for several weeks is found at the end of this

> message. Many of you have already completed it and we thank you all for

> taking the time to respond. However we need many many more respondents

> before we will have an adequate statistical sample. The fact that a

> major

> organization (NAHA) who seeks to set standards for the use of essential

> oils

> and the practice of aromatherapy throughout the U.S. is on the verge of

> coming out against Raindrop makes the complilation of this data all the

> more

> important.

>

> The proposed NAHA position paper does not cite a single case of anyone

> being

> harmed by raindrop as justification for their concern. It is devoid of

> data.

>

> Rather, the 15-page document starts from the premise that any essential

> oil

> applied neat to the skin is potentially dangerous and since raindrop

> does

> involve the neat application of oils it is, therefore, dangerous. The

> studies they cite to support this are all of British origin where

> research

> has been done on adulterated, refined and synthetic oils used in the

> fragrance and food industries and where the research has almost all done

> on

> animals, which does not validly extrapolate to humans.

>

> This research has no relevance to pure, unadulterated, undiluted,

> properly

> grown and properly distilled oils such as those available from Young

> Living.

>

> Hence, the whole basis of the proposed NAHA paper is false, since it

> provides no evidence of actual harm resulting from raindrop and since

> its

> theoretical basis relies on animal research and data from oils that are

> not

> therapeutic grade as are the oils of YL. Nevertheless, unless countered

> with

> other evidence and information, the membership of NAHA will have been

> deceived into endorsing a position against raindrop and thousands of

> people

> will be discouraged from or deprived from receiving raindrop.

>

> Those of use who have received and done raindrop are well aware of its

> benefits. It would be a crime against humanity for a movement to ban the

> practice of raindrop to succeed. However, the leadership of NAHA is

> giving

> us an opportunity to present another viewpoint. In the questionnaire

> below,

> we want not only the good outcomes, but the untoward outcomes as well.

> If

> you or any of your clients have suffered rashes, skin irritations,

> sensitizations, allergenic reactions, or problems of any kind, please be

> candid and complete in your answers. We want this to be an honest

> survey.

>

> There are tens of thousands of people in Young Living who have benefited

> from raindrop. We all know this anecdotally. The time has come to put it

> on

> paper and have some documentation. The only way that can happen is with

> the

> participation of those of you whom have received and who do raindrop

> technique. Thanks for your help. We need your response ASAP.

>

> I will publish the results of this effort on this chat line, as well as

> elsewhere. It is our hope that we may be able to publish the study based

> on

> this questionnaire in the NAHA Journal, thus providing the NAHA

> membership

> with another point of view on raindrop based on empirical and

> experiential

> data. With such input, it is hoped that the NAHA Membership will vote

> against the negative position paper now before the Board. Perhaps they

> can

> be persuaded to adopt a positive statement acknowledging the benefits of

> raindrop, while recognizing the limits of its safe practice, and

> endorsing

> its validity as an effective and desirable technique that

> aromatherapists

> everywhere could well incorporate into their practices.

>

> Your right to practice and receive raindrop technique is being

> threatened.

>

> This is your opportunity to protect that right and educate the world as

> to

> its benefits. And let me also add that another potential benefit from

> this

> survey, and your participation in it, is that some insurance companies

> are

> actually looking into paying for raindrop therapy and have requested

> data on

> raindrop outcomes so they can make an informed judgement as to its

> therapeutic value.

>

> Thanks so much

>

> David Stewart, Ph.D.

>

> Executive Director, CARE, Inc.

>

> RAINDROP TECHNIQUE OUTCOME RESEARCH QUESTIONNAIRE

>

> Center for Aromatherapy Research and Education € CARE, Inc.

>

> Rt. 4, Box 646, Marble Hill, MO 63764 € (573) 238-4273 €

> <napsac

>

> INSTRUCTIONS: The information to be compiled from these questionnaires

> is

> for statistical research purposes only. No names or addresses, whether

> US

> postal or email, will not be given out to anyone. The results of the

> survey

> will be published on the chat line from which you receive this

> questionnaire.

>

> Your cooperation and assistance in this project is greatly appreciated.

>

> A

> prompt response is necessary inasmuch as we want to complete this

> tabulation

> by December 1st, 2001. It may not be possible to include Questionnaires

> received after that date in the tally.

>

> YOU MAY BE BOTH A RAINDROP RECEIVER AND FACILITATOR. PLEASE COMPLETE ALL

> QUESTIONS THAT PERTAIN TO YOU.

>

> Please respond by email or, if you wish, mail to Care at the address

> above.

>

> RAINDROP RESEARCH QUESTIONNAIRE

>

> 1. State or Province_________________________ Gender: Male or Female

>

> FOR RAINDROP RECEIVERS

>

> 2, In what year did you first receive a Raindrop?____________

>

> 3. Estimate how many times you have received Raindrop since (and

> including)

>

> your first__________

>

> 4. Evaluate your experience(s) following receipt of a Raindrop by

> estimating the number of experiences for the following categories. Do

> the

> best you can in recalling. This is not a precision survey, but a general

> determination survey. Check as many as is appropriate.

>

> Positive______ Neutral______ Negative______

>

> Pleasant______ Neutral______ Unpleasant______

>

> Resulted in a healing______ No perceptible results______ Caused harm or

>

> injury______

>

> Felt better afterwards______ No change in feeling______ Felt worse

>

> afterwards______

>

> State of health improved_____ No change in health_____ General health

> got

>

> worse_____

>

> Emotional state improved______ No change in emotions______ Emotional

> State

>

> worsened______

>

> Would receive it again______ Maybe so, maybe not______ Would never

> receive

>

> it again______

>

> 5. Please explain your answers or give a testimonial of what Raindrop

> did

> for you, positive or negative. Write on the back of this sheet or use

> additional sheets as needed. Your full and candid answers will be

> greatly

> appreciated. Remember everything is confidential. Your identity will

> never

> be revealed.

>

> FOR RAINDROP FACILITATORS

>

> 6. In what year did you first perform a Raindrop on someone? _______

>

> 7. Estimate how many times have you performed Raindrop since (and

>

> including) your first? __________

>

> 8. Evaluate your experiences with clients receiving Raindrop by

> estimating

> numbers of cases (or percents of your total) for the following

> categories.

>

> Do the best you can in recalling. This is not a precision survey, but a

>

> general determination survey.

>

> Positive______ Neutral______ Negative_____

>

> Pleasant______ Neutral______ Unpleasant______

>

> Resulted in a healing______ No perceptible results______ Caused harm or

>

> injury______

>

> Felt better afterwards______ No change in feeling______ Felt worse

>

> afterwards______

>

> State of health improved_____ No change in health______ General health

> got

>

> worse______

>

> Emotional state improved______ No change in emotions______ Emotional

> state

>

> worsened______

>

> Would receive it again______ Maybe so, maybe not______Would never

> receive it

>

> again______

>

> 9. Please elaborate on your answers or give selected accounts of what

>

> Raindrop has done for your clients, in general, either positive or

> negative.

>

> Write on the back of this sheet or use additional sheets as needed. Your

> full and candid answers will be greatly appreciated. Remember everything

> is

> confidential. Your identity will never be revealed.

>

> 10. How were you trained to do Raindrop Technique? (choose one or more)

>

> Personally Trained one-on-one or in a small group by Dr. Gary

> Young______

>

> Trained at a Young Living Level I Program______

>

> Trained b y someone who took the YL Level I Program______

>

> Educational Institution other than YL____ Name of

>

> Institution__Mindful Healing________________________

>

> Learned from a book________ Title of

>

> Book__YLO Desk Reference___

>

> Learned from a video_______ Title of

>

> Video__________________

>

> Other_____________

>

> 11. What Brand of Oils did you use in doing Raindrop?

>

> Exclusively Young Living Oils___________

>

> Occasionally use other brands, but mostly use Young Living____________

>

> Occasionally use Young Living, but mostly use other brands____________

>

> Usually use brands other than Young Living____________

>

> Other brands I

>

> use______________

>

> 12. Are you a licensed professional? (yes or no)______

>

> If yes, specify what type or types such as DC, ND, OD, RN, OMD, MD, LMT,

>

> CMT, PT, etc. ___________________

>

> Feel Free to add any comments you would like to include as additional

> information.

>

> END OF QUESTIONNAIRE

>

> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION