Creams ** Preservatives & Antioxidants

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>My opinion is that GSE alone is NOT effective as either a preservative

>or antioxidant ... Vit. E is a good antioxidant and if I were gonna >make

>and sell cosmetic products, I'd go with one of the commercial, >synthetic

>preservatives.

 

 

Hi Michelle & Butch,

 

I agree 100% with Butch. GSE is ok if you are making small batches of

lotions, creams etc .for yourself or family. However, these items need to

been used rather quickly. I don’t keep mine longer than a couple of months

(refrigerated). However, if you decide to sell to the public, my suggestion

would be, to use one of the synthetic preservatives. Or make sure you

disclose the short product life to your customers as appropriate.

 

Charles of Essentially Oils had something interesting in one of his recent

newsletters. He was trying colloidal silver as natural preservative. He

states, after testing their cream with colloidal silver the microbiological

testing had the lowest possible yeast, fungal and bacterial counts. He

hasn't written a follow-up of the shelf life results but I thought it as

interesting anyway.

 

Take care,

 

Sheryon

 

 

 

 

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Hi all.......

 

Another option is to get together with a compounding pharmacist in your area;

thus combining essentials and the best compound of a combination

of antitoxiants and a good preservative. There are many such pharmacists in drug

stores here, and they will work with you in finding the best

compound as fits your own recipe. Just another option.

My drugstore here has a few essentials and the pharmacists are compounding

pharmacists and will spend time with you in answering questions you

may have and helping to develop a good base for what you're looking for.

 

Hugs,

 

Marilyn

 

S Hill wrote:

 

> >My opinion is that GSE alone is NOT effective as either a preservative

> >or antioxidant ... Vit. E is a good antioxidant and if I were gonna >make

> >and sell cosmetic products, I'd go with one of the commercial, >synthetic

> >preservatives.

>

> Hi Michelle & Butch,

>

> I agree 100% with Butch. GSE is ok if you are making small batches of

> lotions, creams etc .for yourself or family. However, these items need to

> been used rather quickly. I don’t keep mine longer than a couple of months

> (refrigerated). However, if you decide to sell to the public, my suggestion

> would be, to use one of the synthetic preservatives. Or make sure you

> disclose the short product life to your customers as appropriate.

>

> Charles of Essentially Oils had something interesting in one of his recent

> newsletters. He was trying colloidal silver as natural preservative. He

> states, after testing their cream with colloidal silver the microbiological

> testing had the lowest possible yeast, fungal and bacterial counts. He

> hasn't written a follow-up of the shelf life results but I thought it as

> interesting anyway.

>

> Take care,

>

> Sheryon

>

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Hi Michelle,

 

> Hey all

> Regarding a cream i used to use faithfully until i started making my

> own.. lily of colorado - really lovely stuff. She uses only grapefruit

> seed extract as a preservative and her products are widely distributed.

> I always thought gse was effective... anyone know different? fill me

> in- cause i do use it and like it. michelle

 

This is not an area where I claim any expertise .. but I've read a bit

on it .. over and over and over. Why over and over and over? Because

I'm not able to stop finding contridictory information .. everytime I

think I have it down, I find something to dispute what I know. I have

come to a conclusion based on all of this info coupled with a bit of

logic that .. there exists NO effective/efficient natural preservative

that can be used safely in cosmetics, creams, etc. Why/how did I reach

that conclusion?

 

First .. Grape Seed Extract is water soluable so we can discount use of

it as an effective antioxidant .. that is, to stop rancidity. As a

matter of trivia, to make it requires use of three chemicals - glycerin,

ammonium chloride and citric acid. As for use as a preservative, it's

been shown effective against some microbial critters but not for long.

Accordingly, those who say they are using only GSE are normally not

telling it like it is and you gotta look real close at what they're

saying .. read between the lines .. cause odds are way up there that

they have some synthetic preservatives thrown in there with that GSE.

Expecially those cosmetics manufacturers that distribute widely know

this and they aren't willing to take a chance with GSE only.

 

My opinion is that GSE alone is NOT effective as either a preservative

or antioxidant ... Vit. E is a good antioxidant and if I were gonna make

and sell cosmetic products, I'd go with one of the commercial, synthetic

preservatives.

 

Folks ask why not essential oils .. no better preservative around as the

mission of a preservative is to preclude growth of and to kill bacteria

... most EOs will do that. The reason we don't use them is safety - we

would have to use too much .. more than has been safely tested for use

on the skin without causing irritation or sensitization.

 

Odds are that a good percentage of the women in America have

contaminated cosmetics in their bedroom or bathroom .. even those with

very efficient preservatives can become contaminated and oxidized in

time ... and those made by almost everyone in the cottage-industries can

become contaminated in quick time - and do. But this contamination

doesn't always harm us or at least let us know we are harmed. Still,

from time to time you hear of some lady having her eyes swelled shut due

to a contaminated cosmetic she used many times before.

 

I think I would like to be proven wrong, but until I am .. I'm gonna

have to stick with my belief that there exists NO effective/efficient

natural preservative that can be used safely in cosmetics, creams, etc,

and those who say they are using them are either not telling the whole

story because they have methylparaben or something similar added to it -

or they have a product that can become contaminated easily.

 

Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

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MM Butch,

 

What synthetic preservatives would you use? I guess I

am looking for a name. Call me stupid, I have no

earthly idea about synthethic preservatives. Please

help!!!

 

BB

Nightengale

 

 

-- Butch Owen <butchbsi wrote: > Hi

Michelle,

>

> > Hey all

> > Regarding a cream i used to use faithfully until i

> started making my

> > own.. lily of colorado - really lovely stuff. She

> uses only grapefruit

> > seed extract as a preservative and her products

> are widely distributed.

> > I always thought gse was effective... anyone know

> different? fill me

> > in- cause i do use it and like it. michelle

>

> This is not an area where I claim any expertise ..

> but I've read a bit

> on it .. over and over and over. Why over and over

> and over? Because

> I'm not able to stop finding contridictory

> information .. everytime I

> think I have it down, I find something to dispute

> what I know. I have

> come to a conclusion based on all of this info

> coupled with a bit of

> logic that .. there exists NO effective/efficient

> natural preservative

> that can be used safely in cosmetics, creams, etc.

> Why/how did I reach

> that conclusion?

>

> First .. Grape Seed Extract is water soluable so we

> can discount use of

> it as an effective antioxidant .. that is, to stop

> rancidity. As a

> matter of trivia, to make it requires use of three

> chemicals - glycerin,

> ammonium chloride and citric acid. As for use as a

> preservative, it's

> been shown effective against some microbial critters

> but not for long.

> Accordingly, those who say they are using only GSE

> are normally not

> telling it like it is and you gotta look real close

> at what they're

> saying .. read between the lines .. cause odds are

> way up there that

> they have some synthetic preservatives thrown in

> there with that GSE.

> Expecially those cosmetics manufacturers that

> distribute widely know

> this and they aren't willing to take a chance with

> GSE only.

>

> My opinion is that GSE alone is NOT effective as

> either a preservative

> or antioxidant ... Vit. E is a good antioxidant and

> if I were gonna make

> and sell cosmetic products, I'd go with one of the

> commercial, synthetic

> preservatives.

>

> Folks ask why not essential oils .. no better

> preservative around as the

> mission of a preservative is to preclude growth of

> and to kill bacteria

> .. most EOs will do that. The reason we don't use

> them is safety - we

> would have to use too much .. more than has been

> safely tested for use

> on the skin without causing irritation or

> sensitization.

>

> Odds are that a good percentage of the women in

> America have

> contaminated cosmetics in their bedroom or bathroom

> .. even those with

> very efficient preservatives can become contaminated

> and oxidized in

> time ... and those made by almost everyone in the

> cottage-industries can

> become contaminated in quick time - and do. But

> this contamination

> doesn't always harm us or at least let us know we

> are harmed. Still,

> from time to time you hear of some lady having her

> eyes swelled shut due

> to a contaminated cosmetic she used many times

> before.

>

> I think I would like to be proven wrong, but until I

> am .. I'm gonna

> have to stick with my belief that there exists NO

> effective/efficient

> natural preservative that can be used safely in

> cosmetics, creams, etc,

> and those who say they are using them are either not

> telling the whole

> story because they have methylparaben or something

> similar added to it -

> or they have a product that can become contaminated

> easily.

>

> Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

>

 

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I wish we had a pharmacist like that again. I live in

the suburbs of New Orleans. we have Walgreens, or

other big drug stores. They are so busy, we have been

lucky that they haven't lost a prescription lately.

And forget about them calling you back if there is a

problem. You find out when you get their. So I know

that avenue is out. I guess you can sence they messed

up on alot of my medicine.

Nightengale

 

 

--- Marilyn Nicholson <menicholson7

wrote: > Hi all.......

>

> Another option is to get together with a compounding

> pharmacist in your area; thus combining essentials

> and the best compound of a combination

> of antitoxiants and a good preservative. There are

> many such pharmacists in drug stores here, and they

> will work with you in finding the best

> compound as fits your own recipe. Just another

> option.

> My drugstore here has a few essentials and the

> pharmacists are compounding pharmacists and will

> spend time with you in answering questions you

> may have and helping to develop a good base for what

> you're looking for.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Marilyn

>

> S Hill wrote:

>

> > >My opinion is that GSE alone is NOT effective as

> either a preservative

> > >or antioxidant ... Vit. E is a good antioxidant

> and if I were gonna >make

> > >and sell cosmetic products, I'd go with one of

> the commercial, >synthetic

> > >preservatives.

> >

> > Hi Michelle & Butch,

> >

> > I agree 100% with Butch. GSE is ok if you are

> making small batches of

> > lotions, creams etc .for yourself or family.

> However, these items need to

> > been used rather quickly. I don’t keep mine

> longer than a couple of months

> > (refrigerated). However, if you decide to sell to

> the public, my suggestion

> > would be, to use one of the synthetic

> preservatives. Or make sure you

> > disclose the short product life to your customers

> as appropriate.

> >

> > Charles of Essentially Oils had something

> interesting in one of his recent

> > newsletters. He was trying colloidal silver as

> natural preservative. He

> > states, after testing their cream with colloidal

> silver the microbiological

> > testing had the lowest possible yeast, fungal and

> bacterial counts. He

> > hasn't written a follow-up of the shelf life

> results but I thought it as

> > interesting anyway.

> >

> > Take care,

> >

> > Sheryon

> >

> >

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