Guest guest Posted October 24, 2001 Report Share Posted October 24, 2001 My view on animal testing .. they most surely should do testing on living organisms - mammalian even ... but it should be done on convicted child molesters, not lab rats or other cute fuzzy critters that did nothing to suffer but be born critters ... That way we have HUMAN results for our tests, the testing is REAL science, not just cruel junk science AND I am getting my tax money's worth for feeding and sheltering those piece of %#*$)^@ child molesters! *Smile* Chris (list mom) Jasmine Sambac Absolute Co-op http://www.alittleolfactory.com Butch Owen wrote: Hi y'all,Then .. someone came on and questioned my statement. They are not wrongto question whether experiments with animals necessarily means the sameresults can be found with humans .. the answer is obviously - NO and wedon't know. But we also have to realize (I think) that ALL experimentsusing animals are not useless and even though we might get realemotional about animals rights, we gotta understand that we are BSingoutselves if we think science is gonna get ahead without using livingorganisms in tests. I know folks who think nothing of eating meat orswatting flies or catching fish but object to use of lab rats inlegitimate experiments - I can not understand this so I stoppedtrying. Butch---------------- I wouldn't risk my life for any essential oil .. BUT .. if I had cancer, for example, I would take massive doses of oregano as it has been proven to cure lung cancers in rats. I am surprised at this comment. As you know experiments on rats are notnear proof that it will work the same on a human, Certainly you dontbelieve that you have the same immune system or the same physiological make up of a rat, do you? Not sure why you are so surprised .. and not sure why me answering thequestion you asked has any bearing on the statement I made. It's amatter of free choice and not a matter of what stand I take on animaltesting.As for immune systems, I doubt if 99.99% of the folks reading this havethe immune system I have .. mine is somewhere betwixt that of a GreatWhite and a cockroach .. they say that when I go under snakes, if theyconduct an autopsy they'll likely find I'm not from Earth. ;-)If you want me to acknowledge that we aren't sure if the experimentsconducted on animals would bring the same results if conducted on humancritters .. I'll acknowledge that we aren't sure. I'll also acknowledgethat there is one helluva lotta things done in aromatherapy that can'tbe proven .. folks believe but we aren't sure.If you're asking me whether the difference betwixt the physiologicalmakeup of a rat and a human is enough to make me believe that carvacrolthat works to COMPLETELY ELIMINATE lung tumors in rats would not work onhumans .. I'll say that I am not at all convinced that it will not workon humans and if I felt a need to try it, I'd feel real comfortabledoing so.If you're asking me to validate the statement I made above - I'll repeatit: "if I had cancer, for example, I would take massive doses oforegano as it has been proven to cure lung cancers in rats." Besides, taking massive doses of oregano for cancer may kill you fasterthan cancer will... who knows? Right who knows? Can you provide a reference for that statement? Rightwho knows? ;-p The extrapolated LD50 level of oregano oil that wouldbe considered fatal from a point of toxicity for a 3 year old child is21 ml and that is one helluva lotta oregano.The toxic level for ingestion for a man is 1.85 grams per kilogram ofbody weight - also one helluva lotta oregano. I still dont understand how anyone could rely on results obtained fromexperiments on rats... or any other animal, and think it will work onhumans. Sorry you don't understand ... and part of your lack of understandingcomes from your strong position against animal testing .. that can blindus to all else if we are not careful. I make my own choices and it's mycall as to how I would decide to treat myself if the situation becamecritical. I don't recommend anything to others .. in fact, I have someother ideas on dealing with terminal illness that I'll bet you and alotta other folks on this list would disagree with. Maybe there is something I am not looking at or something I dontunderstand, and if so, please enlighten me. I personally discard anyexperiment done on animals. I dont believe in it, and I also dont believe that those are necessary or conclusive of anything. Mynou No way to enlighten you .. you would never agree with the way I dothings as your focus now is on the animal testing - it has nothing atall to do with whether or not the oregano would cure a tumor. And likeI said above, you would probably not agree with my possible solutions tosome other hopeless or unsolvable medical problems .. ;-pI think you need to accept that what you are writing here is based onyour emotional stand on animal testing .. has nothing at all to do withthe subject of medical treatment or natural treatment of tumors .. :-)Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 Hi y'all, Then .. someone came on and questioned my statement. They are not wrong to question whether experiments with animals necessarily means the same results can be found with humans .. the answer is obviously - NO and we don't know. But we also have to realize (I think) that ALL experiments using animals are not useless and even though we might get real emotional about animals rights, we gotta understand that we are BSing outselves if we think science is gonna get ahead without using living organisms in tests. I know folks who think nothing of eating meat or swatting flies or catching fish but object to use of lab rats in legitimate experiments - I can not understand this so I stopped trying. Butch ---------------- > > >I wouldn't risk my life for any essential oil .. BUT .. if I had > > >cancer, for example, I would take massive doses of oregano as it has > > >been proven to cure lung cancers in rats. > > I am surprised at this comment. As you know experiments on rats are not > near proof that it will work the same on a human, Certainly you dont > believe that you have the same immune system or the same physiological > make up of a rat, do you? Not sure why you are so surprised .. and not sure why me answering the question you asked has any bearing on the statement I made. It's a matter of free choice and not a matter of what stand I take on animal testing. As for immune systems, I doubt if 99.99% of the folks reading this have the immune system I have .. mine is somewhere betwixt that of a Great White and a cockroach .. they say that when I go under snakes, if they conduct an autopsy they'll likely find I'm not from Earth. ;-) If you want me to acknowledge that we aren't sure if the experiments conducted on animals would bring the same results if conducted on human critters .. I'll acknowledge that we aren't sure. I'll also acknowledge that there is one helluva lotta things done in aromatherapy that can't be proven .. folks believe but we aren't sure. If you're asking me whether the difference betwixt the physiological makeup of a rat and a human is enough to make me believe that carvacrol that works to COMPLETELY ELIMINATE lung tumors in rats would not work on humans .. I'll say that I am not at all convinced that it will not work on humans and if I felt a need to try it, I'd feel real comfortable doing so. If you're asking me to validate the statement I made above - I'll repeat it: " if I had cancer, for example, I would take massive doses of oregano as it has been proven to cure lung cancers in rats. " > Besides, taking massive doses of oregano for cancer may kill you faster > than cancer will... who knows? Right who knows? Can you provide a reference for that statement? Right who knows? ;-p The extrapolated LD50 level of oregano oil that would be considered fatal from a point of toxicity for a 3 year old child is 21 ml and that is one helluva lotta oregano. The toxic level for ingestion for a man is 1.85 grams per kilogram of body weight - also one helluva lotta oregano. > I still dont understand how anyone could rely on results obtained from > experiments on rats... or any other animal, and think it will work on > humans. Sorry you don't understand ... and part of your lack of understanding comes from your strong position against animal testing .. that can blind us to all else if we are not careful. I make my own choices and it's my call as to how I would decide to treat myself if the situation became critical. I don't recommend anything to others .. in fact, I have some other ideas on dealing with terminal illness that I'll bet you and a lotta other folks on this list would disagree with. > Maybe there is something I am not looking at or something I dont > understand, and if so, please enlighten me. I personally discard any > experiment done on animals. I dont believe in it, and I also dont > believe that those are necessary or conclusive of anything. Mynou No way to enlighten you .. you would never agree with the way I do things as your focus now is on the animal testing - it has nothing at all to do with whether or not the oregano would cure a tumor. And like I said above, you would probably not agree with my possible solutions to some other hopeless or unsolvable medical problems .. ;-p I think you need to accept that what you are writing here is based on your emotional stand on animal testing .. has nothing at all to do with the subject of medical treatment or natural treatment of tumors .. :-) Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 I agree and have been saying this for years. Good one Chris Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 In a message dated 10/24/2001 10:10:13 AM Central Daylight Time, janetkgolden writes: My view on animal testing .. they most surely should do testing on living piece of %#*$)^@ child molesters! I agree with you TOTALLY ! What a great idea! someone should bring that to the attention of the prision system. 99% of the time, our molesters are the people who are supposed to love us and be PROTECTING us! Deonia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2001 Report Share Posted October 25, 2001 In a message dated 10/24/2001 9:54:45 AM Central Daylight Time, chrisziggy1 writes: .............No way to enlighten you .. you would never agree with the way I do things as your focus now is on the animal testing - it has nothing at all to do with whether or not the oregano would cure a tumor. And like I said above, you would probably not agree with my possible solutions to some other hopeless or unsolvable medical problems .. ;-p I think you need to accept that what you are writing here is based on your emotional stand on animal testing .. has nothing at all to do with the subject of medical treatment or natural treatment of tumors ................. Butch, I jus love it when you talk truthfull !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yur KY buddy, D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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