A Question For The Massage Therapists

October 17, 2001

Hiya Chris,

Yea.. it's called relax???? Other than that.. dim lights... lie down, slightly

elevated........ cold pack on shoulder/neck area... 7-10 minutes

on... every couple hours, 3x - sounds like you need to minimize the swelling.

Two days is a looooooooooong time to wait for that massage

though... NOT good! Hope this helps.............

Hugs,

Marilyn

Chris Ziegler wrote:

> I have a friend, who is a professional licensed massage therapist, coming

> over on Thursday night to work on one heck of a knot I have in my

> shoulder/neck It feels like I have a macadamia nut in my shoulder/neck it

> is so knotted, anyone who touches it can feel it ): Of course the muscle

> around it is really tight and tender too ....

> Anything I can do for the next 2 days before she comes to make my massage

> most effective (and get me well .. out of pain)?

>

> Thanks in advance for ANY ideas

>

> *Smile*

> Chris (list mom)

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October 17, 2001

I have a friend, who is a professional licensed massage therapist, coming

over on Thursday night to work on one heck of a knot I have in my

shoulder/neck It feels like I have a macadamia nut in my shoulder/neck it

is so knotted, anyone who touches it can feel it ): Of course the muscle

around it is really tight and tender too ....

Anything I can do for the next 2 days before she comes to make my massage

most effective (and get me well .. out of pain)?

Thanks in advance for ANY ideas

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

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October 17, 2001

Hi Chris,

Try either the linalool oregano or the roman chamomile (I'm sure you've got both

of those there from Butch's collection !!) ... or better still - blend them 2:1,

(dilute to your preference ... ) & put a few drops on & around the knot. The

hold your hand (or someone else's hand - Little People's hands are really good

for this - even as young as Sean is !) over the knot to warm the area. Try very

gently stretching your neck - think ear to shoulder & stretch just till you can

feel the pull.

Hope you're all loosened up soon!

Blessings,

Jane :-))

Chris Ziegler wrote:

>

> I have a friend, who is a professional licensed massage therapist, coming

> over on Thursday night to work on one heck of a knot I have in my

> shoulder/neck It feels like I have a macadamia nut in my shoulder/neck it

> is so knotted, anyone who touches it can feel it ): Of course the muscle

> around it is really tight and tender too ....

> Anything I can do for the next 2 days before she comes to make my massage

> most effective (and get me well .. out of pain)?

>

> Thanks in advance for ANY ideas

>

> *Smile*

> Chris (list mom)

October 17, 2001

Soak in an epsom salt bath with lots of Butch's rose hydrosol.....;)works for

me......actually see if someone can take the moistened salt and massage in that

spot....

On Tue, 16 October 2001, " Chris Ziegler " wrote:

>

> I have a friend, who is a professional licensed massage therapist, coming

> over on Thursday night to work on one heck of a knot I have in my

> shoulder/neck It feels like I have a macadamia nut in my shoulder/neck it

> is so knotted, anyone who touches it can feel it ): Of course the muscle

> around it is really tight and tender too ....

> Anything I can do for the next 2 days before she comes to make my massage

> most effective (and get me well .. out of pain)?

>

> Thanks in advance for ANY ideas

>

> *Smile*

> Chris (list mom)

>

> Happy Halloween - Made With Organic Pumpkin

> New! All Natural Handmade Pumpkin Pie Spice Soap

> http://www.alittleolfactory.com

>

> My Pictures of Aromatic Plants and Exotic Places In Turkey

> http://members.home.net/chrisziggy1/triptoturkey.html

>

October 17, 2001

> Hiya Chris,

Hey Marilyn, All

>

> Yea.. it's called relax????

Ha Ha! When I am .... well .... many years older than I am now

> Other than that.. dim lights...

Does one burnt out bulb in the fixture in the room I have yet to change

count ;p

> lie down, slightly elevated........

Okay, I do that and end up watching the news, and see stories about a 7

month old who now has Anthrax and Senator Daschell's Office zapped too (I

used to talk to his personal secretary daily, and met him too several times

at one of my last jobs) and that REALLY relaxes me (oh yeah) ... then I put

on HBO, 7 channels of it, nothing is on, and I remember how much that crap

costs me per month - sheesh, can't a gal get a break *LOL*

cold pack on shoulder/neck area... 7-10 minutes

> on... every couple hours, 3x - sounds like you need to minimize the

swelling.

Ok, I CAN do that one! Yes I can .. got cold packs in the freezer always

anyway (to send the child's food along with him places

Two days is a looooooooooong time to wait for that massage

> though... NOT good!

Oh I know, but she has school tonight (she is determined to turn MY products

on to all her YL obsessed classmates , and baby stuff tomorrow (her little

one is friends with my little one .. actually her bold little girl, who is 6

months younger than my shy little boy comes over and chases him and just

tries to man handle and kiss him while he gets upset and hides behind Mommy

*LOL* )

> Hope this helps.............

ME TOO! Thanks!

>

> Hugs,

>

> Marilyn

*Hugs*

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October 17, 2001

> Hi Chris,

Hi Jane .. Our Lady Down Unda in Oz ...

>

> Try either the linalool oregano or the roman chamomile (I'm sure you've

got both

> of those there from Butch's collection !!) ... or better still - blend

them 2:1,

> (dilute to your preference ... ) & put a few drops on & around the knot.

Will do! I like the sound of that blend I LOVE the Oregano linalool and

Roman Chamomile (and yes I do have each of them listed on my site

The

> hold your hand (or someone else's hand - Little People's hands are really

good

> for this - even as young as Sean is !) over the knot to warm the area.

Great, he loves to help (even at times when he is NOT helping no matter what

he thinks

He knows when I don't feel good though and he really tries to make me feel

better, so that will make hime feel important

Try very

> gently stretching your neck - think ear to shoulder & stretch just till

you can

> feel the pull.

Ooooh, just did, feeling that pull ... will go S-L-O-W-L-Y ..

>

> Hope you're all loosened up soon!

Me too ... i've been stiff before, but this is ridiculous!

>

> Blessings,

> Jane :-))

P.S. - Obligatory Stupid American Question Of The Day: Do you celebrate

Halloween in Australia?

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

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October 17, 2001

Hi Sue!

> Soak in an epsom salt bath with lots of Butch's rose hydrosol.....;)works

for me......actually see if someone can take the moistened salt and massage

in that spot....

Oooh, Thanks for the idea! I make a Turkish Rose Otto Champagne Fizzy Bath

which contains both epsom salts and Rose Otto .. I can add some Rose

hydrosol to the water and a little more Epsom salts if need be .... too bad

my tub is small and I have my choice of soaking my upper OR lower body (not

both though).... *LOL*

I shall try that bath anyway ... I soaked in a 2 person size tub full of

Rose Hydrosol in Turkey and it felt REALLY great then .. how could one not

feel great in a tub full of rose hydrosol?

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

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October 17, 2001

Chris Ziegler wrote:

>

> Hi Jane .. Our Lady Down Unda in Oz ...

:-))

> Will do! I like the sound of that blend I LOVE the Oregano linalool and

> Roman Chamomile (and yes I do have each of them listed on my site

That's my favourite antispasm blend ! They're both to-die-for oils, for sure !

> > hold your hand (or someone else's hand - Little People's hands are really

> good for this - even as young as Sean is !) over the knot to warm the area.

>

> Great, he loves to help (even at times when he is NOT helping no matter what

> he thinks

> He knows when I don't feel good though and he really tries to make me feel

> better, so that will make hime feel important

I had a lady in clinic the other day who had a really nasty headache & asked if

I could help. She was actually bringing her son in the see one of the other

therapists, & also had her young daughter with her. I got the daughter to help

me with her Mum's headache & it was really beautiful to see her face glow when I

asked her. I think her little hands stoking Mother's wrist was what got rid of

the headache, more so than my lavender/peppermint administrations !! They left

looking very 'bonded'. Sometimes I think we too easily underestimate the power

of our little ones :-))

>

> Try very gently stretching your neck - think ear to shoulder & stretch just

till

> you can feel the pull.

>

> Ooooh, just did, feeling that pull ... will go S-L-O-W-L-Y ..

yes - slowly is the key ! & don't believe that 'no pain, no gain' bs ;-) just

very gentle stretches often - & do it both sides to keep your balance !!

> >

> > Hope you're all loosened up soon!

>

> Me too ... i've been stiff before, but this is ridiculous!

I can empathise with you, Chris - my man had a nasty fall a few weeks ago & from

all the lifting him in & out of bed I managed to develop quite a nasty stiff

neck myself. Then I had to wait 2 weeks till *he* was better so he could massage

my neck & shoulders *lol* My antispasm blend got lots of use for a while !

>

> >

> > Blessings,

> > Jane :-))

>

> P.S. - Obligatory Stupid American Question Of The Day: Do you celebrate

> Halloween in Australia?

*chuckles* yeah sorta ;-) We don't do the trick & treat thing that you guys do,

but more & more people have parties & stuff & dress up. There's lots more weird

looking people hanging around town at midnight than there used to be ;-) I

remember as a kid, my Mum used to get us pumpkins to cut faces out of, though I

think that was just a small backwater town thingie ... it's never been as big

down here as in the US. These days it's becoming as much of a pagan celebration

as anything else & I kinda like that :-))

>

> *Smile*

> Chris (list mom)

>

October 17, 2001

> ... I soaked in a 2 person size tub full of

> Rose Hydrosol in Turkey

brag brag brag.....

and it felt REALLY great then ..

just the hydrosol felt great? giggle ;0

how could one not

> feel great in a tub full of rose hydrosol?

you got that right too *smiling*

>

October 17, 2001

Chris,

I have that same neck muscle problem all the time, usually after sitting at

the computer 'til all hours of the morning! The only thing that worked for

me was putting heat and pressure on it. My neighbor saw me grabbing my neck

one day and told me to sit down. He did exactly what my chiropracter used

to do. Jammed his thumb right into the hardest, sorest spot and held it

there until the sharp pain subsided then moved on until the whole area was

loosened up. The next day it hurt more from the pressing than from the

muscle being tight. When I felt the pain again, I would just feel for the

tender areas and put the pressure on and soon it was all gone. Saved me a

trip two hours away to my chiro. which would have been impossible to drive

considering I couldn't turn my head to the right. Anyway, hope this helps.

Oh you also could take a break from the computer :-)

Dawn

P.S. I received the Rose Otto basket - great products - can't wait to take

a bath!!

-

" Chris Ziegler " <chrisziggy1

" "

Tuesday, October 16, 2001 11:32 PM

A Question For The Massage Therapists

> I have a friend, who is a professional licensed massage therapist, coming

> over on Thursday night to work on one heck of a knot I have in my

> shoulder/neck It feels like I have a macadamia nut in my shoulder/neck

it

> is so knotted, anyone who touches it can feel it ): Of course the muscle

> around it is really tight and tender too ....

> Anything I can do for the next 2 days before she comes to make my massage

> most effective (and get me well .. out of pain)?

>

> Thanks in advance for ANY ideas

>

> *Smile*

> Chris (list mom)

>

> Happy Halloween - Made With Organic Pumpkin

> New! All Natural Handmade Pumpkin Pie Spice Soap

> http://www.alittleolfactory.com

>

> My Pictures of Aromatic Plants and Exotic Places In Turkey

> http://members.home.net/chrisziggy1/triptoturkey.html

>

October 17, 2001

Hiya Chris, Jane.. all!

Jane Eliza wrote:

> I had a lady in clinic the other day who had a really nasty headache & asked

if

> I could help. She was actually bringing her son in the see one of the other

> therapists, & also had her young daughter with her. I got the daughter to help

> me with her Mum's headache & it was really beautiful to see her face glow when

I

> asked her. I think her little hands stoking Mother's wrist was what got rid of

> the headache, more so than my lavender/peppermint administrations !! They left

> looking very 'bonded'. Sometimes I think we too easily underestimate the power

> of our little ones :-))

> -------------

Boy do you ever have that right - agree 110% w/you there!!!!!!!!!!! Reason I

suggested cold first.. to be followed by massage/heat later..

since Chris's friend can't get there till then.. is............if she's got

swelling, the swollen part's pressing on muscles, tendons.. etc -

getting that down first is good.........maybe the swelling is a large part of

the pain.. -- the old RICE thingy rest-ice-compress-elevate

thing......though heat does increase blood flow, which helps once the swelling's

gone.. but not till.........dang, Chris, do it all! <grin>

>

> >

> > Try very gently stretching your neck - think ear to shoulder & stretch just

till

> > you can feel the pull.

> >

> > Ooooh, just did, feeling that pull ... will go S-L-O-W-L-Y ..

>

> yes - slowly is the key ! & don't believe that 'no pain, no gain' bs ;-) just

> very gentle stretches often - & do it both sides to keep your balance !!

> --------------

No pain, no gain, IS bs.. pain in general is bs.. lol

>

> >

> > P.S. - Obligatory Stupid American Question Of The Day: Do you celebrate

> > Halloween in Australia?

>

> *chuckles* yeah sorta ;-) We don't do the trick & treat thing that you guys do,

> but more & more people have parties & stuff & dress up. There's lots more

weird

> looking people hanging around town at midnight than there used to be ;-) I

> remember as a kid, my Mum used to get us pumpkins to cut faces out of, though

I

> think that was just a small backwater town thingie ... it's never been as big

> down here as in the US. These days it's becoming as much of a pagan

celebration

> as anything else & I kinda like that :-))

> -----------

Hey Jane.. got a feeling here in Florida w/the anthrax stuff and all, we're

probably not going to be having the Halloween trick-or-treating

this year...........Last year, (our first Halloween down here, we'd moved) we

stocked way up on goodies .........had one little cutie from up

the street come trick-and-treating, and that was it! I miss.........the old days

when you didn't need to be afraid or check anything given out

on Halloween. <sigh> Things change though.........-- and small backwater towns

are the best!!!!!!!! :-) Come to think of it, we have weird

lookin people hanging around too.. <grin>

Hugs,

Marilyn

>

October 17, 2001

Hiya Marilyn,

yes, I chuckled when I saw that too ! I was going on my own experience here - if

I've got stiff or knotted muscles, putting anything cold on it will make me

tense up all the more ! Mind you, if the damage has gone into some kind of

inflammation as well, then I'd probably welcome a coldpack !!

I reckon the rose bath would help heaps too - it's that special feeling of being

pampered that'll do it ;-)

Blessings,

Jane :-))

Marilyn Nicholson wrote:

>

> Hiyas,

>

> Oh gosh.. Jane and I JUST gave you opposite advice.. ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

> Heat/cold thing.. Well.. pick one, if it doesn't work, use the other, how

bout

> that one....... Jane? <grin> (psst, Jane, one of em will help!!!), and gosh,

> Sue.. I love the epsom salt baths too... ok, " one " of these should work, or

else

> put her to sleep, right?

>

> Ok.. the burnt out bulb counts.. <grin> NO TV! Silence or very soft,

> soothing music... you're right.. the stuff on TV is definitely " not "

conductive

> to relaxation for sure! Umm.. towel around the cold pack.. lol. ...ummmm or

> heat.. or whatever!!!!!

>

> Huh??? YL obsessed people???? Ouch... they're still out there, huh???

> They outta love your stuff, for sure! Oh man.. more pouring, more bottling,

more

> packaging... etc, etc.. best relax now!

>

> Good luck,

>

> Hugs ~ Marilyn

>

> >

>

> My Pictures of Aromatic Plants and Exotic Places In Turkey

> http://members.home.net/chrisziggy1/triptoturkey.html

>

October 17, 2001

Hi there

Lots of lovely answers to help you get through the next couple of days!

Although the cool packs are good, so are warm ones - so after you've done the cold pack, or at another time, I'd massage that Marjoram you love gently into the area (perhaps with the R Chamomile or some Lavender) and then get a hot pack, hot water bottle (bet you call them something different) or a heated wheaty bag and put it over the area and just sit back for a while. You could even watch the TV while you did it!

Hope it soon clears

Regards

Ann - Scotland

October 17, 2001

Hey Chris

I would go with a heat pack- it is a trigger point and not an injury- these

like heat to relax. Stretching is good- sounds like you work on a computer

and carry a toddler around!!! :-) I prefer heat anyway- I treat injuries

with moxa and not ice- which slows down the circulation-In the case of a

" knot " what you want to do is stop the " continuous spasm " signal to the

brain- this is done by holding the knot and working it until it is gone-

usually best done by an MT but sometimes you can do it yourself.

So- I would take St Johns Wort oil-and put roman cham, german cham,

helichrysum and lavender- ginger is nice too- take a warm bath, stretch, if

you can reach it with the other arm rub it a bit(this is when those massage

canes come in handy!!) Relax in a position where you dont feel the pain for

20 minutes or longer- this is sometimes enough to release it- roll a towel

up or put a cervical pillow under your neck. Ask God/dess for help!

Feel better

Michelle

-

Chris Ziegler <chrisziggy1

Tuesday, October 16, 2001 11:32 PM

A Question For The Massage Therapists

> I have a friend, who is a professional licensed massage therapist, coming

> over on Thursday night to work on one heck of a knot I have in my

> shoulder/neck It feels like I have a macadamia nut in my shoulder/neck

it

> is so knotted, anyone who touches it can feel it ): Of course the muscle

> around it is really tight and tender too ....

> Anything I can do for the next 2 days before she comes to make my massage

> most effective (and get me well .. out of pain)?

>

> Thanks in advance for ANY ideas

>

> *Smile*

> Chris (list mom)

>

> Happy Halloween - Made With Organic Pumpkin

> New! All Natural Handmade Pumpkin Pie Spice Soap

> http://www.alittleolfactory.com

>

> My Pictures of Aromatic Plants and Exotic Places In Turkey

> http://members.home.net/chrisziggy1/triptoturkey.html

>

October 17, 2001

OOOh- a ginger fomentation would be great but you would need help- make

strong ginger tea, dip in a cloth, wring and place on tight area- change

cloth as it cools(I HAVE done this to myself before!!) These work great for

such things.

Hope you are feeling better today

Another thing you could do is place a tennis ball on the floor and roll onto

the point- hold it there until the pain subsides, then roll it around and

find another sharp spot...this is good maintenance as well!!

Michelle

-

michelle morton- niyama <lakshmi

Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:19 AM

Re: A Question For The Massage Therapists

> Hey Chris

>

> I would go with a heat pack- it is a trigger point and not an injury-

these

> like heat to relax. Stretching is good- sounds like you work on a computer

> and carry a toddler around!!! :-) I prefer heat anyway- I treat injuries

> with moxa and not ice- which slows down the circulation-In the case of a

> " knot " what you want to do is stop the " continuous spasm " signal to the

> brain- this is done by holding the knot and working it until it is gone-

> usually best done by an MT but sometimes you can do it yourself.

> So- I would take St Johns Wort oil-and put roman cham, german cham,

> helichrysum and lavender- ginger is nice too- take a warm bath, stretch,

if

> you can reach it with the other arm rub it a bit(this is when those

massage

> canes come in handy!!) Relax in a position where you dont feel the pain

for

> 20 minutes or longer- this is sometimes enough to release it- roll a towel

> up or put a cervical pillow under your neck. Ask God/dess for help!

> Feel better

> Michelle

> -

> Chris Ziegler <chrisziggy1

>

> Tuesday, October 16, 2001 11:32 PM

> A Question For The Massage Therapists

>

> > I have a friend, who is a professional licensed massage therapist,

coming

> > over on Thursday night to work on one heck of a knot I have in my

> > shoulder/neck It feels like I have a macadamia nut in my

shoulder/neck

> it

> > is so knotted, anyone who touches it can feel it ): Of course the muscle

> > around it is really tight and tender too ....

> > Anything I can do for the next 2 days before she comes to make my

massage

> > most effective (and get me well .. out of pain)?

> >

> > Thanks in advance for ANY ideas

> >

> > *Smile*

> > Chris (list mom)

> >

> > Happy Halloween - Made With Organic Pumpkin

> > New! All Natural Handmade Pumpkin Pie Spice Soap

> > http://www.alittleolfactory.com

> >

> > My Pictures of Aromatic Plants and Exotic Places In Turkey

> > http://members.home.net/chrisziggy1/triptoturkey.html

> >

October 17, 2001

I'm not a massage therapist but I know those knots intimately (mine, not

yours <g>).

Most of the time that I have a horrible nasty knot like that it is because

a bone is misaligned somewhere. This makes the muscles start or end in a

place they are not acustomed to being. Even a slight misalignment can give

you an extremely tight or spasmed muscle.

I have found (from much painful personal experience) that if the bone is

out there is nothing a massage therapist can do until the bone is put

back. Some symptomatic relief, yes, but the knot will still be there.

I see a chiropractor but you can also get bones realigned by an osteopath.

It's worth getting it checked, especially if the knot does not go away

completely after massage. Sure you can sometimes put bones back yourself

or instruct others how to do it, but not easily if haven't had it done to

you many times and know what it feels like. A lot of times you'll get

relief from the severe pain of a bone being out after 2-3 days but, as your

muscles will tell you, it's usually because something else went out in

compensation, not because the first one got fixed.

Good luck,

Cyndi

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