War on Terrorism

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Hey Butch

 

{This is just BEGGING for a slap down...but you've known me long enough,

that unless I have a good reason, I don't avoid THOSE LOL)

 

You think the " War on Terrorism " will last as long and be as effective as

the " War on Drugs " ?

 

Deep Breath Butch, Deep Breath! As Dennis Archer says " Just stirring the

Pot. "

 

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

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" Butch Owen " <butchbsi

 

Thursday, October 11, 2001 2:52 AM

OT: Diggin' Osama bin Laden Out of His Hidey Hole

 

 

> Yo Kathleen,

>

> Been talking to my buddies in D.C. You know I'm retired US Army but I

> still have my connections. I would " guess " that the aerial bombardment

> is gonna slow down real soon. Run out of targets .. the infrastructure

> is, as we say in this part of the world, Fini ...

>

> > Okay, at the risk of getting it chopped into, I'm going to stick my neck

> > out here...

> >

> > I am NOT a pacifist. Never have been, Never will be. It ain't me.

> > However...

> >

> > I DO have problems with what is going on in Afghanistan right now. Quite

> > frankly I don't think it's going to do a whole lot for anyone. OBL and

> > his T-buddies are going to dig themselves in and it's going to take a

> > LOT of death to get them out.

>

> IF that is the case .. and by the way - it is .. ;-p our options are to

> say .. well dude .. you whipped our ass again - we gonna go home now.

> Or, we root that rat out of his hole. Might cost some blood .. soldiers

> do get bloody sometimes .. damn shame but a reality.

>

> Howsomeever .. we got Uzbeks and Turcomans and turn-coat Taliban and run

> of the mill Afghans who are gonna be looking for OBL cause that boy got

> a nice price on his head .. and it looks like the Turks are sending in

> one of their special operations teams to work with the Uzbeks and

> Turcomans - they will have no communications problems. Yep .. OBL has

> to come up for air one day and also, it ain't easy to live in a hole in

> the ground when there is no means of resupply. First dude gets caught

> carrying goat stew up some path gonna tell a tale.

>

> > Don't get me wrong. The Taliban is horrific. I want them out as much as

> > anyone else. OBL is worse than scum. He's a murdering coward, and I

> > would LOVE to see him fry, slowly, bit by bit, for YEARS. (told you I

> > wasn't a pacifist, not even a wiccan) for EACH person whose death he has

> > caused.

>

> Then you gonna be happy - cause the boy gonna go down fer'shur .. :-)

>

> > However, as recent and not so recent history has shown us, Afghanistan

> > is going to be REALLY difficult to crack open and get those maggots out.

>

> America and England did more to the Taliban in the last 4 days than the

> Russians did to the Mujahadeen in years of battle - we are not the same

> kind of folks. Don't hang on to old tales - they have no basis in fact

> when we try to apply them to current events.

>

> > Every single person I've seen/heard, who has any knowledge on the

> > subject, has admitted that it's going to take ground forces, and that is

> > an entirely nother hell.

>

> Ground forces are there now. And it is not all that much a bad thing.

> I was ground forces and I think I'd rather play cat and mouse games with

> those dudes in their mountains rather than an urban duel in downtown

> wherever USA .. we MUST show the A$$holes of the world that we cannot be

> terrorized without a terrible price. IF we lose troops we lose troops

> .. unfortunately, that's the way it is in war sometimes .. but know that

> our Special Operations folks are much slicker than the average grunt.

>

> > I believe the estimates of the number of Land Mines that the Russians

> > left behind is between 2 and 20 million. They kill and maim every day.

> > How do you deal with THOSE kinds of numbers.

>

> Areas that are mined are normally known and marked - the purpose of

> mining is to deny use of ground or to channelize a force .. make them

> concentrate if they want to pass here or there. The best way to avoid

> the mines is to avoid the mined areas. Folks don't go out in the middle

> of noplace and plant a sinlge mine. .. bad use of pyrotechniques ...

> odds are that you gonna get a goat of a camel or maybe nothing .. sorta

> like the lotto.

>

> BUT - if American troops want to clear a strip of mines, our combat

> engineers run one'a the Rome Plow type machines over the ground - they

> plow up the ground and the mines go off in front of the massive, tall,

> thick steel blade in front of the machine .. like taking candy from a

> baby it is. Also - understand that these are anti-personnel mines - the

> very weakest kind - not anti-tank mines as the Mujahadeen didn't have

> enough tanks to make it worthwhile. So they are easy to clear.

>

> Anti-personnel mines are not supposed to kill an enemy - supposed to

> hurt him badly so you get three folks off the battlefield - the one who

> is hurt and two to haul him off. If you kill him, only one person

> leaves the battlefield .. just thought I'd throw that trivia on you.

>

> > Do I have any answers? NO. But as I mentioned in the beginning, I have

> > my doubts that this is the way to go.

>

> Believe me .. if the experts .. the fellers who have spent their lives

> training for this type of warfare .. believe it was NOT the way to go-

> they would go another way.

>

> > I keep hearing the term " softening up " ... Russians tried it, it didn't

> > work.

>

> Russia never once destroyed the military infrastructure of Afghanistan.

> We not only gained Air Superiority the second day - but Air Supremacy

> the 4th day - Russia NEVER did that - not in all the years they were

> there.

>

> > Who's getting softened up? OBL? Nah! He's in a cave somewhere? Taliban

> > Leadership? Nope. They're in a similar type hidey hole.

>

> Hey .. a leader without followers is like a fish without a bicycle ..

> ;-p

> He can't communicate from within his hidey hole - first transmission we

> know his coordinates .. true Islamic fundamentalists don't play cards so

> about the only thing they can do is read the Koran .. and that takes

> some light .. takes batteries .. batteries won't last all that long.

> OBL will be glad to come out when he starts getting nutty .. ;-p

> Remember, these dudes don't use paper .. they use their hands and then

> wash them. Damn it's gonna stink in there after a while.

>

> > There have been suggestions that we could use heat seeking devices, only

> > problem with that, is they have to be placed in proximity...ground

> > forces.

>

> Once you get past this fear of using of ground forces, all will go well.

> We will use heat and movement detectors everywhere .. we would declare

> free fire zones .. tell folks DO NOT go into this area .. signs all over

> the place. Sensor picks something up, artillery is already locked in on

> the coordinate and they start hollering on the way wait .. ;-)

>

> > There were other devices that could be placed to detect deep caves,

> > possibly inhabited...Again it will take Ground Forces...

>

> Yea .. let's take ground forces and pump persistent CS gas down every

> crack and cranny in the mountains - like we used to pour water in the

> rat holes outside the barn. Better yet .. stick a bunch'a cobras down

> them hidey holes .. or anthrax .. ;-p

>

> > Anyway, there's MY stand on it. So heave with the AXE! ;-)

>

> Yea .. axes .. that'll help too .. gotta have a lotta axes to enlarge

> some'a the entrances so we can get the hoses down in there .. ;-p Hoses

> would also be good for pumping all the portable toilets from the camps

> down in those holes too ..

>

> Kathleen .. several Talaban combat and spiritual leaders have been

> killed in the raids .. others have gone over to the Northern Alliance ..

> the run of the mill Afghani is not wanting to see the Talaban remain in

> power - the Talaban is a minority there now .. my opinion is that US

> Special Ops folks, using indiginous troops .. can take care of matters.

> That is one of the areas they are trained in.

>

> We have no choice but to do this the hard way .. I am happy and proud

> that our guys have their crap together and their spirits are high ..

>

> Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

>

> > Cheers!

> > Kathleen Petrides

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