Guest guest Posted September 30, 1999 Report Share Posted September 30, 1999 Hello everyone, Thanks for the recommendation about the Blue Poppy catalog! So much info, I don't know where to start. Recently, I have been making some 1:4 tinctures of various herbs like Goldenseal, Uva Ursi and Myrrh. I also made one of Astragulus. Then I became somewhat unsure of whether astragulus would be effective as a tincture, since teas are the main medium, not alcohol. Can anyone tell me if the medicinal properties of astragulus can be extracted with alcohol? Thank you, David Russell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 1999 Report Share Posted September 30, 1999 Huang Qi has been sold as alco. ex. for a long time and I have used it in this form. Because of the taste of huang qi its hard to get older americans to drink a tea. - David Russell <dcrussell < > Thursday, September 30, 1999 2:29 PM Re: Digest Number 22 > " David Russell " <dcrussell > > Hello everyone, > Thanks for the recommendation about the Blue Poppy catalog! So much info, I > don't know where to start. > > Recently, I have been making some 1:4 tinctures of various herbs like > Goldenseal, Uva Ursi and Myrrh. > I also made one of Astragulus. Then I became somewhat unsure of whether > astragulus would be effective as a tincture, since teas are the main medium, > not alcohol. Can anyone tell me if the medicinal properties of astragulus > can be extracted with alcohol? > > Thank you, > David Russell > > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 1999 Report Share Posted September 30, 1999 I'd be careful about tincturing goldenseal unless you have a reflux apparatus and include some glycerine in the receiving flask. I addressed this isuue in an earlier post. Astralagus and its constituents are well described in Yueng and Foster's Encyclopedia of natural Ingredients. I am told that it is used in cooking. It contains polysaccharides, flavanoids and saponins plus a bunch of tother stuff that I am to lazy to type right now. It's use in cooking would indicate to me that at least some of it's ingredients are not thermosensitive. I would extract it as follows. 1) Do a 1:1 fluid extract with 70% alcohol 2) Take marc and do a soxhlet extraction with a 100 % ethyl alcohol; watch for precipitates; if some, add abit of glycerine to help " hold " phyto's in solution. 3) Same as 2 but with water. 4) Work out final ratio to about 2.5 to 1. About 10 years ago I made a tincture by soxhlet that the therapist tells me worked very well. I always get nervous heating polysaccharides as they darn things decompose at the drop of a hat. Gilbert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 1999 Report Share Posted September 30, 1999 According to Subhuti Dharmananda, the immune stimulaing polysaccs in astragalus are not soluble in alcohol. Supposedly the presence of alcohol in the final product will cause the polysaccs to precipitate and lose their structural integrity. the other main component, the flavonoids, extract in both water and alcohol, so alcohol ticturees are mostly flavonoid. If one needs the polysaccs, then water is the way to go. Also, by eliminating the polysaccs, you have rrocessed the herb and altered its properties. whatever it may now be good for can be predicted by traditional chinese usage. alcohol extracts are used to move the blood mainly and many blood moving herbs contain flavonoids, such as carthamus and cnidium. astragalus is use to move the blood by invigorating the qi, so an alchol extract of astragalus propably has more of a blood moving quality than a water extract and less of a qi tonic quality. todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 1999 Report Share Posted September 30, 1999 Thanks Todd; How about heat ? How does it affect the polysachs you are talking about ? Gilbert >>> <TLuger 09/30 5:02 PM >>> TLuger () According to Subhuti Dharmananda, the immune stimulaing polysaccs in astragalus are not soluble in alcohol. Supposedly the presence of alcohol in the final product will cause the polysaccs to precipitate and lose their structural integrity. the other main component, the flavonoids, extract in both water and alcohol, so alcohol ticturees are mostly flavonoid. If one needs the polysaccs, then water is the way to go. Also, by eliminating the polysaccs, you have rrocessed the herb and altered its properties. whatever it may now be good for can be predicted by traditional chinese usage. alcohol extracts are used to move the blood mainly and many blood moving herbs contain flavonoids, such as carthamus and cnidium. astragalus is use to move the blood by invigorating the qi, so an alchol extract of astragalus propably has more of a blood moving quality than a water extract and less of a qi tonic quality. todd Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 1999 Report Share Posted September 30, 1999 It is my understanding that the astragalus polysaccs are heat stable at decoction temperature when in aqueous solution. Standard decoctions of astragalus and many other herbs are high in polysaccs, when analyzed with chromatography. todd " Gilbert Arnold " <ArnoldG Thanks Todd; How about heat ? How does it affect the polysachs you are talking about ? Gilbert >>> <TLuger 09/30 5:02 PM >>> TLuger () According to Subhuti Dharmananda, the immune stimulaing polysaccs in astragalus are not soluble in alcohol. Supposedly the presence of alcohol in the final product will cause the polysaccs to precipitate and lose their structural integrity. the other main component, the flavonoids, extract in both water and alcohol, so alcohol ticturees are mostly flavonoid. If one needs the polysaccs, then water is the way to go. Also, by eliminating the polysaccs, you have rrocessed the herb and altered its properties. whatever it may now be good for can be predicted by traditional chinese usage. alcohol extracts are used to move the blood mainly and many blood moving herbs contain flavonoids, such as carthamus and cnidium. astragalus is use to move the blood by invigorating the qi, so an alchol extract of astragalus propably has more of a blood moving quality than a water extract and less of a qi tonic quality. todd Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 this sounds good! andréa sperle mcgraw-hill school division 212 * 904 * 6826 andrea_sperle > ---------- > the_oil_co-op > Reply the_oil_co-op > Saturday, August 19, 2000 7:39 AM > the_oil_co-op > [the_oil_co-op] Digest Number 22 > > > > > > ------ > > There is 1 message in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. about the 2 for $10 order the grapefruit > " Ziggy " <cl-chrisziggy > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:02:55 -0000 > " Ziggy " <cl-chrisziggy > about the 2 for $10 order the grapefruit > > i just found out today that the organic grapefruit was out of stock, > and instead of getting non-organic (it is so important with citrus > oils) or scrambling to another distributor, i decided to get organic > sweet orange oil instead. > *smile* > chris > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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