Notes from Zhong Ri hospital, part 5, SA and RA

[Guest guest]

I've been in the RA (rheumatoid arthritis) and AS (ankylosing

spondylitis) ward for this week. It's under the directorship of Dr

Yie XiaoPing, a well renowned specialist in the treatment of these

two disabling diseases.

 

All the patients in the ward are categorised with the same syndrome

differentiation, Kidney deficiency with Wind-Damp-Cold obstruction

mainly in the Du meridian. The only difference between patients is

if its more Kidney Yang than Yin and if it's a hot or cold syndrome.

The formula is standardised throughout the whole ward and is altered

to treat the two varieties of hot or cold, Yin or Yang.

 

Another interesting thing I noticed was the machine they use to

treat all sufferers. You may well know that Tuina is not allowed on

any RA or AS sufferer as this can cause damage to the body. However,

this machine, which looks very similar to a CAT scan machine but of

course smaller, massages the body using vibrations that mimic

different Tuina techniques. Not only this but the machine sprays the

patient with a herbal formula on the Du meridian and over the body.

It shows good results and costs 50,000 yuan. I'll try and find out

the details of the manufacturer, but I do know its made by Shen Zhen

Liante Industry.

 

Another thing about this ward is that a lot of external and

sometimes internal formulas used as secrets. Its strange to come

across this in modern times especially in such a Westernised

hospital as Zhong Ri, but that's China for you.

 

I also saw a patient with Becets syndrome. Does anyone have any info

on this disease?

 

Attilio

[Guest guest]

Hi Attilio,

 

One of the ways I got to know and understand Dr. Kang here in San Francisco is

that he cured my fairly stabilized ankylosing spondylitis with one tui na

treatment ... it took half an afternoon. My family has the HLA-B27 marker with

my mother, brother and sister all completely ankylosed by age 50. I dodged the

bullet in my 30s. Now my vertebrae show no spurring at all on X-ray exam.

 

Dr. Kang was chief of TCM at the main hospital in Shanghai, but as you've just

witnessed, secrecy is the order of the day. It's the same here, too. If you

intern with him, he'll teach you stuff. Not really that much is written of what

he does in tui na or in herbal medicine. Some of my friends here earn their

knowledge by spending five or six years interning with various practitioners of

significant merit. I guess that's pretty much the same as an MD interning for

many years for board certification. Around here in CM you have to be

self-motivated and create your own residency. To the self-directed practitioner

perhaps that's a better system. Dr. Kang spent 7 long years training in tui na

before going to medical school.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

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Chinese Medicine

Thursday, March 11, 2004 4:55 AM

Notes from Zhong Ri hospital, part 5, SA and RA

 

 

I've been in the RA (rheumatoid arthritis) and AS (ankylosing

spondylitis) ward for this week. It's under the directorship of Dr

Yie XiaoPing, a well renowned specialist in the treatment of these

two disabling diseases.

 

All the patients in the ward are categorised with the same syndrome

differentiation, Kidney deficiency with Wind-Damp-Cold obstruction

mainly in the Du meridian. The only difference between patients is

if its more Kidney Yang than Yin and if it's a hot or cold syndrome.

The formula is standardised throughout the whole ward and is altered

to treat the two varieties of hot or cold, Yin or Yang.

 

Another interesting thing I noticed was the machine they use to

treat all sufferers. You may well know that Tuina is not allowed on

any RA or AS sufferer as this can cause damage to the body. However,

this machine, which looks very similar to a CAT scan machine but of

course smaller, massages the body using vibrations that mimic

different Tuina techniques. Not only this but the machine sprays the

patient with a herbal formula on the Du meridian and over the body.

It shows good results and costs 50,000 yuan. I'll try and find out

the details of the manufacturer, but I do know its made by Shen Zhen

Liante Industry.

 

Another thing about this ward is that a lot of external and

sometimes internal formulas used as secrets. Its strange to come

across this in modern times especially in such a Westernised

hospital as Zhong Ri, but that's China for you.

 

I also saw a patient with Becets syndrome. Does anyone have any info

on this disease?

 

Attilio

 

 

 

 

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Hi Emmanuel,

 

Very interesting the power of Tuina. This pc totally locks my back

up, so I'm having two sessions a week of Tuina with a wonderful

blind guy called Eric. Such a nice guy and really good. It seems

that many blind people in China learn Tuina as a way of supporting

themselves. Is this seen anywhere else in the world i wonder?

 

What is good is the years of training they have to do, as you

stated. It takes years and are unlike most tuina courses in the

West. Actually some places in China are offering a 3 week Tuina

course for us students, after which you'll be well qualified and

able to practice and teach Tuina back in the West. What a joke!

 

I'm finding other instances where courses are sold at highly

inflated prices such as the Qi Gong course with amazing

qualifications that mean nothing. Although, i believe Universities

in the West and everywhere have been doing that for years.

 

Attilio

 

" Emmanuel Segmen " <susegmen@i...> wrote:

> Hi Attilio,

>

> One of the ways I got to know and understand Dr. Kang here in San

Francisco is that he cured my fairly stabilized ankylosing

spondylitis with one tui na treatment ... it took half an

afternoon. My family has the HLA-B27 marker with my mother, brother

and sister all completely ankylosed by age 50. I dodged the bullet

in my 30s. Now my vertebrae show no spurring at all on X-ray exam.

>

> Dr. Kang was chief of TCM at the main hospital in Shanghai, but as

you've just witnessed, secrecy is the order of the day. It's the

same here, too. If you intern with him, he'll teach you stuff. Not

really that much is written of what he does in tui na or in herbal

medicine. Some of my friends here earn their knowledge by spending

five or six years interning with various practitioners of

significant merit. I guess that's pretty much the same as an MD

interning for many years for board certification. Around here in CM

you have to be self-motivated and create your own residency. To the

self-directed practitioner perhaps that's a better system. Dr. Kang

spent 7 long years training in tui na before going to medical

school.

>

> Respectfully,

> Emmanuel Segmen

>

> -

>

> Chinese Medicine

> Thursday, March 11, 2004 4:55 AM

> Notes from Zhong Ri hospital, part 5, SA and RA

>

>

> I've been in the RA (rheumatoid arthritis) and AS (ankylosing

> spondylitis) ward for this week. It's under the directorship of

Dr

> Yie XiaoPing, a well renowned specialist in the treatment of

these

> two disabling diseases.

>

> All the patients in the ward are categorised with the same

syndrome

> differentiation, Kidney deficiency with Wind-Damp-Cold

obstruction

> mainly in the Du meridian. The only difference between patients

is

> if its more Kidney Yang than Yin and if it's a hot or cold

syndrome.

> The formula is standardised throughout the whole ward and is

altered

> to treat the two varieties of hot or cold, Yin or Yang.

>

> Another interesting thing I noticed was the machine they use to

> treat all sufferers. You may well know that Tuina is not allowed

on

> any RA or AS sufferer as this can cause damage to the body.

However,

> this machine, which looks very similar to a CAT scan machine but

of

> course smaller, massages the body using vibrations that mimic

> different Tuina techniques. Not only this but the machine sprays

the

> patient with a herbal formula on the Du meridian and over the

body.

> It shows good results and costs 50,000 yuan. I'll try and find

out

> the details of the manufacturer, but I do know its made by Shen

Zhen

> Liante Industry.

>

> Another thing about this ward is that a lot of external and

> sometimes internal formulas used as secrets. Its strange to come

> across this in modern times especially in such a Westernised

> hospital as Zhong Ri, but that's China for you.

>

> I also saw a patient with Becets syndrome. Does anyone have any

info

> on this disease?

>

> Attilio

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Did you find any more information in regards to the machine you were talking

about below. I believe I found the web site but its all in chinese.

Thanks...Brian

 

<attiliodalberto wrote:I've been in the RA

(rheumatoid arthritis) and AS (ankylosing

spondylitis) ward for this week. It's under the directorship of Dr

Yie XiaoPing, a well renowned specialist in the treatment of these

two disabling diseases.

 

All the patients in the ward are categorised with the same syndrome

differentiation, Kidney deficiency with Wind-Damp-Cold obstruction

mainly in the Du meridian. The only difference between patients is

if its more Kidney Yang than Yin and if it's a hot or cold syndrome.

The formula is standardised throughout the whole ward and is altered

to treat the two varieties of hot or cold, Yin or Yang.

 

Another interesting thing I noticed was the machine they use to

treat all sufferers. You may well know that Tuina is not allowed on

any RA or AS sufferer as this can cause damage to the body. However,

this machine, which looks very similar to a CAT scan machine but of

course smaller, massages the body using vibrations that mimic

different Tuina techniques. Not only this but the machine sprays the

patient with a herbal formula on the Du meridian and over the body.

It shows good results and costs 50,000 yuan. I'll try and find out

the details of the manufacturer, but I do know its made by Shen Zhen

Liante Industry.

 

Another thing about this ward is that a lot of external and

sometimes internal formulas used as secrets. Its strange to come

across this in modern times especially in such a Westernised

hospital as Zhong Ri, but that's China for you.

 

I also saw a patient with Becets syndrome. Does anyone have any info

on this disease?

 

Attilio

 

 

 

 

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