Notes from Zhong Ri hospital, part 3, LV Qi Stag and LV Fire

[Guest guest]

A leading TCM consultant at Zhong Ri made a notable comment today on

the difference between Liver Qi stagnation and Liver Fire.

 

He stated that Liver Qi stagnation is to do with irritability within

the patient's self, whilst Liver Fire is to do with irritability

with people around the person affected.

 

I think that Liver Fire can have Liver Qi stagnation aspects, and

derives from Liver Qi stagnation, but Liver Qi stagnation cannot

include Liver Fire characteristics and cannot derive from Liver

Fire. Therefore, irritability comes firstly, internally, then

projects outwards secondly. It cannot originate externally.

 

Therefore, if your unhappy with the world around you, you are

unhappy with yourself. Find happiness with yourself and you'll be

fine with the world around you. What do others think?

 

Attilio

[Guest guest]

Attilio,

 

Your comments reflect the teachings of my oral traditions. My practices confirm

exactly your observations.

 

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

A leading TCM consultant at Zhong Ri made a notable comment today on

the difference between Liver Qi stagnation and Liver Fire.

 

He stated that Liver Qi stagnation is to do with irritability within

the patient's self, whilst Liver Fire is to do with irritability

with people around the person affected.

 

I think that Liver Fire can have Liver Qi stagnation aspects, and

derives from Liver Qi stagnation, but Liver Qi stagnation cannot

include Liver Fire characteristics and cannot derive from Liver

Fire. Therefore, irritability comes firstly, internally, then

projects outwards secondly. It cannot originate externally.

 

Therefore, if your unhappy with the world around you, you are

unhappy with yourself. Find happiness with yourself and you'll be

fine with the world around you. What do others think?

 

Attilio

 

 

 

 

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Excellent! I'm glad someone noticed what i was saying.

 

Attilio

 

" Emmanuel Segmen " <susegmen@i...> wrote:

> Attilio,

>

> Your comments reflect the teachings of my oral traditions. My

practices confirm exactly your observations.

>

> Emmanuel Segmen

>

>

> A leading TCM consultant at Zhong Ri made a notable comment

today on

> the difference between Liver Qi stagnation and Liver Fire.

>

> He stated that Liver Qi stagnation is to do with irritability

within

> the patient's self, whilst Liver Fire is to do with irritability

> with people around the person affected.

>

> I think that Liver Fire can have Liver Qi stagnation aspects,

and

> derives from Liver Qi stagnation, but Liver Qi stagnation cannot

> include Liver Fire characteristics and cannot derive from Liver

> Fire. Therefore, irritability comes firstly, internally, then

> projects outwards secondly. It cannot originate externally.

>

> Therefore, if your unhappy with the world around you, you are

> unhappy with yourself. Find happiness with yourself and you'll

be

> fine with the world around you. What do others think?

>

> Attilio

>

>

>

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Excuse my ignorance Emmanuel, but why does everything have to be an

oral tradition. Why can't they put it into print and have it seen by

more people?

 

Attilio

 

" Emmanuel Segmen " <susegmen@i...> wrote:

> Attilio,

>

> Your comments reflect the teachings of my oral traditions. My

practices confirm exactly your observations.

>

> Emmanuel Segmen

>

>

> A leading TCM consultant at Zhong Ri made a notable comment

today on

> the difference between Liver Qi stagnation and Liver Fire.

>

> He stated that Liver Qi stagnation is to do with irritability

within

> the patient's self, whilst Liver Fire is to do with irritability

> with people around the person affected.

>

> I think that Liver Fire can have Liver Qi stagnation aspects,

and

> derives from Liver Qi stagnation, but Liver Qi stagnation cannot

> include Liver Fire characteristics and cannot derive from Liver

> Fire. Therefore, irritability comes firstly, internally, then

> projects outwards secondly. It cannot originate externally.

>

> Therefore, if your unhappy with the world around you, you are

> unhappy with yourself. Find happiness with yourself and you'll

be

> fine with the world around you. What do others think?

>

> Attilio

>

>

>

>

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Pardon me, Attilio,

 

I noted that I have oral traditions training ... not that every thing is or

needs to be one. I was happy to confirm your findings by that observation.

 

Many things in print are in fact from oral traditions. Earliest written reports

of common lineage practices whether in medicine or in meditative training are

exactly what you suggest. They are written down for others to see. However,

oral traditions are living things. Written reports are snap shots. So you have

to " practice " with a master to enjoy the living part of it.

 

I sense I'm not telling you anything new. You have much wisdom regarding this.

 

In friendship,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

 

Excuse my ignorance Emmanuel, but why does everything have to be an

oral tradition. Why can't they put it into print and have it seen by

more people?

 

Attilio

 

 

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Chinese Medicine , " Attilio

DAlberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote:

> Excuse my ignorance Emmanuel, but why does everything have to be an

> oral tradition. Why can't they put it into print and have it seen

by

> more people?

>

> Attilio

 

sorry Attilio,

but the big possibility is that they do not understand how

to " register " as a TM, just as in Western World.

sorry again being to harsh but that's developement nowadays.

 

yudono.

 

> " Emmanuel Segmen " <susegmen@i...> wrote:

> > Attilio,

> >

> > Your comments reflect the teachings of my oral traditions. My

> practices confirm exactly your observations.

> >

> > Emmanuel Segmen

> >

> >

> > A leading TCM consultant at Zhong Ri made a notable comment

> today on

> > the difference between Liver Qi stagnation and Liver Fire.

> >

> > He stated that Liver Qi stagnation is to do with irritability

> within

> > the patient's self, whilst Liver Fire is to do with

irritability

> > with people around the person affected.

> >

> > I think that Liver Fire can have Liver Qi stagnation aspects,

> and

> > derives from Liver Qi stagnation, but Liver Qi stagnation

cannot

> > include Liver Fire characteristics and cannot derive from Liver

> > Fire. Therefore, irritability comes firstly, internally, then

> > projects outwards secondly. It cannot originate externally.

> >

> > Therefore, if your unhappy with the world around you, you are

> > unhappy with yourself. Find happiness with yourself and you'll

> be

> > fine with the world around you. What do others think?

> >

> > Attilio

> >

> >

> >

> >

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