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I've just heard from Chinese TV, that G.M. seeds from the US will be

allowed into China for growth. After looking at research in the UK

and Europe, they noted that cross-infection is likely and will

affect other plant life in areaa surrounding G.M. crops.

 

My question to the group is, how will this affect Chinese herbal

plants growing in China? Won't G.M. crops cross-infect and therefore

affect the balance and medicinal properties of Chinese herbs? How

can the quality of Chinese herbs be maintained, regulated and

assured?

 

Attilio

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Hi Attilio!

 

Let's hope that the Chinese government is *smarter* than the EU of US

governments. On the other hand, with all that " public relations " money

flying around from agri-business . . .

 

At 10:18 PM 2/28/2004, you wrote:

>I've just heard from Chinese TV, that G.M. seeds from the US will be

>allowed into China for growth. After looking at research in the UK

>and Europe, they noted that cross-infection is likely and will

>affect other plant life in areaa surrounding G.M. crops.

>

>My question to the group is, how will this affect Chinese herbal

>plants growing in China? Won't G.M. crops cross-infect and therefore

>affect the balance and medicinal properties of Chinese herbs? How

>can the quality of Chinese herbs be maintained, regulated and

>assured?

>

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Hi Attilio,

 

As someone trained as a genetic engineer as well as an organismic biologist, I

can assure you that the effects of GM plants are felt worldwide ... but only

within their own species. Chinese herbs are unaffected. I believe you mean

cross-pollination (rather than cross-infection) ... though pollination is very

close to a virus infection. The way a sperm inserts its DNA into an egg is

somewhat close to viral infection. The GM plant's pollen can only affect it's

same species. Monsanto is not developing a thousand Chinese medical herb seed

varieties for sale to traditional growers. Monsanto and cohorts are developing

GM rice, corn, and soybeans. So Chinese herbs are generally unaffected by this.

 

The irony is that it's been discovered that pollen travels around the world on

air currents at high altitudes. Here in coastal California we're in the height

of our early spring blossoms which means that the pollen count is very high ...

and allergic individuals are suffering here. Also the pollen is flying on over

to the American East Coast. Alas, there's no blossoms there to pollinate. Just

lots of weary winter denizens to feel " spring fever " . In fact by now, Attilio,

you are breathing the pollens from here in San Francisco, Berkeley and the

surroundings. The prevailing winds are headed your way, and I believe it takes

only a couple of weeks for the winds to carry pollens from here to England. So

later in the year when blossoms do come up in Europe, American plants will be

cross pollinating with them in some small measure.

 

Here's another irony. If you are an organic farmer in Europe growing corn,

you're crop is already GM (genetically modified) via cross pollination. An even

further irony is that you may not collect your own seed and replant them.

Monsanto will file suit against you for copyright infringement. So the bottom

line is that you may as well just buy their d___ seeds.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

 

I've just heard from Chinese TV, that G.M. seeds from the US will be allowed

into China for growth. After looking at research in the UK and Europe, they

noted that cross-infection is likely and will affect other plant life in areaa

surrounding G.M. crops.

 

My question to the group is, how will this affect Chinese herbal plants

growing in China? Won't G.M. crops cross-infect and therefore affect the balance

and medicinal properties of Chinese herbs? How can the quality of Chinese herbs

be maintained, regulated and

assured?

 

Attilio

 

 

 

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Attilio: I've just heard from Chinese TV, that G.M. seeds from the US will

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allowed into China for growth

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What is G.M.?

 

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Hi Emmanuel!

 

The concern is often expressed that GM rice, corn and soybeans will crowd

out the traditional GM rice, corn and soybeans making it impossible for the

third world people to live and unnecessarily expensive for everyone else.

 

This is to say nothing of the fear that GM rice, corn and soybeans will

have undesirable side effects making everyone sick. We all get to be the

guinea pigs in this grand experiment, while animal testing is considered

inhumane undisclosed people testing is ok.

 

At 02:38 AM 2/29/2004, you wrote:

>Hi Attilio,

>

>As someone trained as a genetic engineer as well as an organismic

>biologist, I can assure you that the effects of GM plants are felt

>worldwide ... but only within their own species. Chinese herbs are

>unaffected. I believe you mean cross-pollination (rather than

>cross-infection) ... though pollination is very close to a virus

>infection. The way a sperm inserts its DNA into an egg is somewhat close

>to viral infection. The GM plant's pollen can only affect it's same

>species. Monsanto is not developing a thousand Chinese medical herb seed

>varieties for sale to traditional growers. Monsanto and cohorts are

>developing GM rice, corn, and soybeans.<snip>

 

Regards,

 

Pete

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Hi Pete,

 

From my observation the GM food is not so dangerous to eat. The dangers are

real, but not as human food. The GM plants may produce less of the normal

nutrients than normally are found in those foods. As geneticists would say, we

" impose " new genes and new proteins in the cells of the plant. So the plant is

forced to produce molecules that they would normally not produce. So the

balance of nutrients that they would produce without the imposition of new genes

is pretty much off. I like the word " impose " to describe the problem each cell

must endure. As a food, however, I don't think it's a big deal.

 

As an ecological " imposition " , I think it's a very big deal. That's where the

problem lies. We have " breached " a species' genes. That in and of itself is a

very big deal to me. That billions of species are woven together into a fabric

of ecology then makes such a breach a very big deal indeed that has incalculable

consequences. Another " breach " with regard to human consciousness is the

copyrighting of a living species by a corporation. This, too, will have

consequences for the human community as regards hubris.

 

That's my social as well as biological perspective. I had to take a course in

scientific ethics when I was a graduate student in 1989. One of my five areas

of concentration included certification in genetic engineering. I've been

looking at this issue intensely ever since that ethics course, and my

perspectives on the matter grow from year to year.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

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Pete Theisen

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, February 29, 2004 9:00 PM

Re: G.M. Chinese Herbs

 

 

Hi Emmanuel!

 

The concern is often expressed that GM rice, corn and soybeans will crowd

out the traditional GM rice, corn and soybeans making it impossible for the

third world people to live and unnecessarily expensive for everyone else.

 

This is to say nothing of the fear that GM rice, corn and soybeans will

have undesirable side effects making everyone sick. We all get to be the

guinea pigs in this grand experiment, while animal testing is considered

inhumane undisclosed people testing is ok.

 

At 02:38 AM 2/29/2004, you wrote:

>Hi Attilio,

>

>As someone trained as a genetic engineer as well as an organismic

>biologist, I can assure you that the effects of GM plants are felt

>worldwide ... but only within their own species. Chinese herbs are

>unaffected. I believe you mean cross-pollination (rather than

>cross-infection) ... though pollination is very close to a virus

>infection. The way a sperm inserts its DNA into an egg is somewhat close

>to viral infection. The GM plant's pollen can only affect it's same

>species. Monsanto is not developing a thousand Chinese medical herb seed

>varieties for sale to traditional growers. Monsanto and cohorts are

>developing GM rice, corn, and soybeans.<snip>

 

Regards,

 

Pete

 

 

 

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