RE: case study excess LIV/Def SP?

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Ross wrote:

 

I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for the following

case. Patient is generally non-responsive to treatments. Birth

date is October 29, 1970.

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HI Ross.

I appreciate your thoughtfullness in including the date of birth

 

Astrologically speaking the Meridians likely to be at the root cause of this

patient's dysharmonies are LIV, LI and SP.

 

IF you have read my previous mail. You may have noted That I invariably

speak of 2 major (Root) meridians as been responsible for most dysharmonies

leading to illness.Where one will be Stag / Excess and the other Def.

In my own work I have succesfully used this approach for many years and I

have a success rate in the 90+ %.

 

So what we have to work out now is which is which, out of LIV,LI and SP.

 

LI? a def. LI could in time create Stag in GB and SI as well as Def in BL

and agitation in ST

an excess LI could in time lead to weaknes in GB and SI.

Inhibited urination

Weak urine stream

Bleeding gums,

 

Pain all joints: neck, back, fingers, wrists, knee; neck ---

history of pinched nerves.

 

I could be wrong and in my own practice i would energetically confirm which

meridian is either def or in excess to start with. having said that I don't

think the LI is relevant.

 

 

 

 

 

LIV? an excess LIV could in time create Def in SP / LU.

however, the given symptoms do seem to point to excess here.

 

Testicular pain

Bilateral testicular microlithiasis

Constipation (palpable distention at ascending colon; melanaosis

coli)(purple discolorations on lower lip)

Severe bloating and distention (worse with sugar or dairy)

Headache/Pressure when experiencing above symptoms

Weakness in muscles (all muscles, but especially lower body) (SP)

Bleeding gums, canker sores, tongue sores

Numbness and tingling and pins and needles (HT channel in fingers

and wrist; big toe esp left; in feet when sitting cross-legged for

few minutes (esp left foot)

Seborrheic dermatitis

Inhibited urination....UHMMMM... I think this is structural from the LIV

affecting Lower Jiao.

Weak urine stream

 

 

 

If the Excess LIV is true which seems quite likely Then SP is been

compromised anyway. But there seem to be quite a few symptoms that point to

a possible SP def in its own right.

A Def SP will given time genereate Stag in KID and LIV and Def. in LU as

well as HE agitation.

Light-headed and dizziness

Severe bloating and distention (worse with sugar or dairy)

Hunger, Lack of appetite

Thirst w/ no desire

 

Severe exhaustion and fatigue

Weakness in muscles (all muscles, but especially lower body)

Lack of endurance

Low platelets (ranging from 75 – 119) (normal 135-400) (since

Mononucleosis very severe Jan-Feb 2001)

Lactose intolerant

 

Palpitations, occasional shortness of breath

Irregular heart beat (and slow 60bpm)

Restless sleep – wakes more tired

 

 

my suggestion is Sed. LIV Ton. SP. again if you have read my previous mail.

you wil note That I have the utmost respect for the power of acupuncture

points and firmly beleive, (based on practical experience) that less is

more. and exclusive focussing on the relevant meridians crucial. If you were

to take what I say seriously then my suggestion is sedate a few points on

Liv and test the truth of the points. LIV2 and LIV-13 come to mind for

starters. and for SP SP-1, SP-10, SP4 if you were happy with patient

response then you could go for it on second tx. and ton BL-44, bl-20, Sed-

DU-8 and Ren-2, 3 also come to mind.

 

 

When I say tonify what I mean is that you locate the relevant point. go in,

twist clockwise and remove more or less straight away. if you hit the point

the patient will still feel the point as though the needle was still in for

a while ranging from a few minutes up to a few hours, and it is invariably

more painful than sedating, where you insert anticlockwise and leave in from

anywhere 10-20 min.

 

IF you try what I suggest do come back and give us feed back,please? If you

want other possible points then let me know.

 

Salvador

 

 

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Constipation (palpable distention at ascending colon; melanaosis

coli)(purple discolorations on lower lip)

Severe bloating and distention (worse with sugar or dairy)

Nausea

Light-headed and dizziness

Food stagnation (even with small amounts of food)

Hypoglycemia

Lactose intolerant

Headache/Pressure when experiencing above symptoms

Hunger, Lack of appetite

Thirst w/ no desire

 

Severe exhaustion and fatigue

Weakness in muscles (all muscles, but especially lower body)

Lack of endurance

Low platelets (ranging from 75 – 119) (normal 135-400) (since

Mononucleosis very severe Jan-Feb 2001)

 

 

Pain all joints: neck, back, fingers, wrists, knee; neck ---

history of pinched nerves. Nodules, constant cracklings

Back --- spasms cramps in Kidney/Spleen/Stomach area (UB 20

area)

Scapular – knots in GB and SJ channels; pain in SI channel

Hip (worse on right – greater trochanter area)

 

History of many broke bones as a child (16)

 

Palpitations, occasional shortness of breath

Irregular heart beat (and slow 60bpm)

Restless sleep – wakes more tired

Cold hands and feet

Numbness and tingling and pins and needles (HT channel in fingers

and wrist; big toe esp left; in feet when sitting cross-legged for

few minutes (esp left foot)

 

Testicular pain

Bilateral testicular microlithiasis

Inhibited urination

Weak urine stream

Liver hemangioma 9mm

 

Born 3 weeks early – induced

Pneumonia 3 months old – severe, nearly fatal.

History of ear infections and bulging ear drums as a child

On antibiotics for 1 ½ years straight as a child and many times

after that (now allergic to penicillin and codeine)

 

Bleeding gums, canker sores, tongue sores

Seborrheic dermatitis

 

Pulse is 60 bpm, irregular rhythm. Heart pulse is feeble-absent.

Right proximal changes qualities from reduced pounding and diffuse

(almost empty) to tense and robust pounding. Left proximal tight-

tense and choppy. Digestive system is tight, inflated changing to

diffuse and slippery at organ depth and occasionally choppy. Rough

vibration throughout pulse. Gall Bladder changes intensity,

muffled, slippery tense pounding.

 

Tongue is wide scalloped, crack down center to tip; some horizontal

cracks in center. Color is red. Not much tongue coat. Sublingual

veins clear.

 

Thanks in advance to anyone with suggestions.

 

Ross

 

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Salvador,

 

Thank you for your insight into this case. I will try as you

suggest and report back.

 

Would you indulge me a few questions about the numerology? Is this

patient a 3.6.2? I'm interested in how you determine which organ.

I've heard that 3 and 4 are wood, but how do you know which is LV

and which GB? I would think that 3 being a yang number would be

GB. Also I heard 9 and 2 were fire from one source and that 2 and 5

are earth from another. Not sure how to reconcile and would love to

hear from you on this.

 

Thanks so much.

 

Ross

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Ross wrote:

>Salvador,

>

>Thank you for your insight into this case. I will try as you

>suggest and report back.

>

>Would you indulge me a few questions about the numerology? Is this

>patient a 3.6.2? I'm interested in how you determine which organ.

>I've heard that 3 and 4 are wood, but how do you know which is LV

>and which GB? I would think that 3 being a yang number would be

>GB. Also I heard 9 and 2 were fire from one source and that 2 and 5

>are earth from another. Not sure how to reconcile and would love to

>hear from you on this.

>

>Thanks so much.

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Hi,

yes, your numbers are true, 3 is LIV 4 is GB, 9 is Fire, 2 is SP 5 can be

both SP and ST.

 

If I can get enough people I am hoping to do a weekend course on the

subject in the near future, the astrology is only part of the jigsaw puzzle.

if you in the uk. let me know.

 

Where have you heard about this before?

 

salvador

www.meridian-qi-acupuncture.com

 

>

>Ross

>

 

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Hi Salvador. I do not live in the UK. I live in New Jersey. I

have read a little about it from some transcripts of seminars given

by Jeffrey Yuen. Do you recommend any other sources of information

that I can read up on?

 

Also, is there a rationale behind why 3 is LIV and 4 is GB? If my

memory serves I think Jeffrey Yuen had it the other way, but I'm not

sure. At least I thought he stated that odd numbers were yang and

associated with the yang organ.

 

Thanks again.

 

Ross

 

 

> Hi,

> yes, your numbers are true, 3 is LIV 4 is GB, 9 is Fire, 2 is

SP 5 can be

> both SP and ST.

>

> If I can get enough people I am hoping to do a weekend course on

the

> subject in the near future, the astrology is only part of the

jigsaw puzzle.

> if you in the uk. let me know.

>

> Where have you heard about this before?

>

> salvador

> www.meridian-qi-acupuncture.com

>

> >

> >Ross

> >

>

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Hey, Ross-

I'm from NJ, also. Which exit do YOU live on ?

John Garbarini

 

--- rossrosen <rossrosen wrote:

> Hilvador. I do not live in the UK. I live in

> New Jersey. I

> have read a little about it from some transcripts of

> seminars given

> by Jeffrey Yuen. Do you recommend any other sources

> of information

> that I can read up on?

>

> Also, is there a rationale behind why 3 is LIV and 4

> is GB? If my

> memory serves I think Jeffrey Yuen had it the other

> way, but I'm not

> sure. At least I thought he stated that odd numbers

> were yang and

> associated with the yang organ.

>

> Thanks again.

>

> Ross

>

>

> > Hi,

> > yes, your numbers are true, 3 is LIV 4 is GB, 9

> is Fire, 2 is

> SP 5 can be

> > both SP and ST.

> >

> > If I can get enough people I am hoping to do a

> weekend course on

> the

> > subject in the near future, the astrology is only

> part of the

> jigsaw puzzle.

> > if you in the uk. let me know.

> >

> > Where have you heard about this before?

> >

> > salvador

> > www.meridian-qi-acupuncture.com

> >

> > >

> > >Ross

> > >

> >

> >

>

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Hi John. I live and practice in Westfield -- few miles off exit 135

or 137 on the Garden State Parkway. I'm a block from the center of

town.

 

Where are you?

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Ross wrote,

>Hi Salvador. I do not live in the UK. I live in New Jersey. I

>have read a little about it from some transcripts of seminars given

>by Jeffrey Yuen. Do you recommend any other sources of information

>that I can read up on?

>

>Also, is there a rationale behind why 3 is LIV and 4 is GB? If my

>memory serves I think Jeffrey Yuen had it the other way, but I'm not

>sure. At least I thought he stated that odd numbers were yang and

>associated with the yang organ.

>

>Thanks again.

>

>Ross

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HI Ross,

 

if you look in my web site you wil find the info you are after. The numbers

as I have given and are available in my site are real. how do I know? from

experiential practice. having said that, there are a numbers of books on 9

star qi and Feng shui that give you info at that level although what they

offer is only the tip of the iceberg and not that applicable to the practice

of acupuncture. What I share is based on many years of practical observation

and experimentation.

 

 

I was pleased that you asked as to the person's numerology, which makes me

think I am not alone in my understanding of the subject. if you have any

info or the transcripts still available I would be grateful for the info.

 

salvador

 

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i am in elstree, A41 near watford junction

 

 

 

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Hi Salvador!

 

When you refer to your web site it would be ok to include a link for those

who may not have seen it before. Is this it?

 

<http://www.meridian-qi-acupuncture.com/index.htm>

 

I read page after page on this site tonight, there is certainly a lot to it.

 

At 05:40 AM 2/27/2004, you wrote:

>Ross wrote,<snip>

>HI Ross,

>

>if you look in my web site you wil find the info you are after. <snip>

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Salvador, the transcripts are sold at New England School of

Acupuncture in Watertown, MA. The discussion was part of an

explanation of the Su Wen and Ling Shu. It's a series of 4

transcripts. But maybe it's easier if I can locate the relevant

pages and send them to you via fax or mail.

 

Ross

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " salvador

march " <salvador_march@h...> wrote:

> Ross wrote,

> >Hi Salvador. I do not live in the UK. I live in New Jersey. I

> >have read a little about it from some transcripts of seminars

given

> >by Jeffrey Yuen. Do you recommend any other sources of

information

> >that I can read up on?

> >

> >Also, is there a rationale behind why 3 is LIV and 4 is GB? If my

> >memory serves I think Jeffrey Yuen had it the other way, but I'm

not

> >sure. At least I thought he stated that odd numbers were yang and

> >associated with the yang organ.

> >

> >Thanks again.

> >

> >Ross

> __

>

> HI Ross,

>

> if you look in my web site you wil find the info you are after.

The numbers

> as I have given and are available in my site are real. how do I

know? from

> experiential practice. having said that, there are a numbers of

books on 9

> star qi and Feng shui that give you info at that level although

what they

> offer is only the tip of the iceberg and not that applicable to

the practice

> of acupuncture. What I share is based on many years of practical

observation

> and experimentation.

>

>

> I was pleased that you asked as to the person's numerology, which

makes me

> think I am not alone in my understanding of the subject. if you

have any

> info or the transcripts still available I would be grateful for

the info.

>

> salvador

>

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Ross wrote:

 

>Salvador, the transcripts are sold at New England School of

>Acupuncture in Watertown, MA. The discussion was part of an

>explanation of the Su Wen and Ling Shu. It's a series of 4

>transcripts. But maybe it's easier if I can locate the relevant

>pages and send them to you via fax or mail.

>

>Ross

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If at all possible that would be great. email is good

thanks

salvador

 

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Thanks to Salvador and others for their responses. Patient is

taking 2-3 cups of water first thing in the morning and enjoys it.

I also tried the points that Salvador recommended with good

success. Patient feels clearing of head and improved digestion and

energy for couple days after treatment. Salvador, any other point

prescriptions would be very helpful. Also, a question as to why

Spleen 1 which is the wood point. Theoretically, tonifying would

make wood stronger -- am very interested in your reasoning. In any

event, the prescription helped.

 

As far as the supplementation needle method, are you timing

insertion with the breath? -- do you wait until you get qi? or is

it simply in and out after the clockwise rotation?

[Guest guest]

Ross wrote:

 

Thanks to Salvador and others for their responses. Patient is

taking 2-3 cups of water first thing in the morning and enjoys it.

I also tried the points that Salvador recommended with good

success. Patient feels clearing of head and improved digestion and

energy for couple days after treatment. Salvador, any other point

prescriptions would be very helpful. Also, a question as to why

Spleen 1 which is the wood point. Theoretically, tonifying would

make wood stronger -- am very interested in your reasoning. In any

event, the prescription helped.

 

As far as the supplementation needle method, are you timing

insertion with the breath? -- do you wait until you get qi? or is

it simply in and out after the clockwise rotation?

 

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HI Ross,

 

I am pleased for you and grateful for your acknowledged response. which I

hope may give more conficence to some of the other members who read these

emails.

 

 

It is very difficult to stay true and not deviate. You have proved that this

patient has a mix root of excess LIV and Def. SP. as treatment progresess

this will change depending on effective points and level of stress in

environment. But the undelying potential for dysharmony will more than

likely remain. in practical terms you should be ok with Sedating LIV and Ton

SP for easily 6 to 10 TX. but you ll have to watch out you might experiment

depending on physical symptoms say after 6 tx. where by you might only

sedate LIV or tonify sp within the one sesion. and do the opposite the

following session and compare notes.

 

 

Please bear in mind that with my patients I choose points not by theory but

by directly feeling which points are energetically stuck. This has led me to

the beleif that if the Root is say a Stag LIV then pretty much any point

along the meridian is useful.

 

 

A good rule of thumb is to do 2 points with in one session as this patient

has lots of issues in lower jiao I would choose one upper and one lower

point say LIV-12 and LIV-6 one session LIV-10 LIV-7 LIV-14 LIV-3, but

there are no rules!

LIV- 1to 14 all good I LOVe LIV-7 no one talks about it much but it has

tremendous effect on the hips sacrum.

 

Also You would Ton. 2 points on the SP per session. this is not written in

stone. just a guideline. Do the Back Xu points. After 4 sessions when the

LIV is calmer heat symptoms gone you might experiment with moxa on the SP

points only if the SP is still very weak and the bowels show themselves to

be weak. You need to separate constipation from LIV dry stools from that of

SP where the stools are normal but there is no strengh / peristaltic motion.

 

Ton. SP-21,16,15,10,9,8,7,6,4,3,2,1 are all good. might also try DU-6 even.

 

Ton. with a needle What is the most important consideration? Not the breath

or waiting for qi. In my view the most important consideration is that you

hit the point! How do you know when you have got it? ask your patient! they

will descrive an intense dull achy sensation that can stay anywhere from a

few minutes to a few hours. those are the best but they can also descrive a

sharp pain which is also good. if you hit a nerve it will be an electrical

sensation like wacking your elbow that wont be it.

Sed points are different, not as painful as ton. but you still wnat a

response from the patient.

 

Does you attitude and intention affect your needling? Yes. But it is more to

do with having your emotional centre open.What I mean by this is that you

come off your head and feel/ have a sense of your patient beneath your

hands. The effect of this is that your energy interacts with the patient at

that split second making your needling that much more powerful.

 

Is this true? find out for yourself, choose a point be absentminded and

needle.Repeat the exercise, this time feel the person, have a sense of who

they are plus your intent and needle again.

 

SP-1 is the wood point within the SP it Strenghens the SP it also bring

energy across from the LIV via the control cycle to the SP. which in this

instance makes it a very good point for your patient. DO NOT DO THE SAME

POINTS EVERY SESSION. VARIETY IS THE SPICE OF LIFE

 

Salvador

 

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