Notes from Zhong Ri hospital, part 1

[Guest guest]

I'm attending clinical placement in Beijing for 4 months at the

moment. I'll be stationed at Zhong Ri and Xi Yuan hospitals

throughout my time and wanted to share with the group some of the

insights TCM doctors have shown me.

 

I've only been in clinical placement a day but have been told some

interesting things. I'm sure some members may find them obvious

whilst others not so. Firslty, i noticed that WM comes first. This

means that diagnosis and treatment is firslty based in WM terms,

then TCM is added afterwards. Therefore there is a great mixture of

WM and TCM. For example, Mang Xiao is used as a powder with WM

laxatives to relieve constipation.

 

Today i was in the diabetic ward.

 

1. Damage to the White Blood Cell in WM is the same as damage to the

Yin in TCM.

 

2. Sore throats can be divided into pain and itchy. Pain indicates

heat whilst itchy indicates cold.

 

3. When Yang Qi stagnates is turns icy cold.

 

I will hopefully present some intersting case studies to the group

for discussion in the near future. I hope some members find this

info interesting, until next time, zai jian!

 

Attilio

[Guest guest]

Hey Attilio,

 

I've been thinking about your Beijing email all day, in particular

the following piece:

 

> 2. Sore throats can be divided into pain and itchy. Pain indicates

> heat whilst itchy indicates cold.

 

I just can't figure out how itching pertains to cold? I was always

taught that itching pertains to heat (or blood deficiency). Did the

doctors give you the theory behind this, cos i'd be interested to

hear.

 

Kate :-)

[Guest guest]

Hi Kate,

 

Yes that's right, itchy throat is associated with dryness. No he

didn't share the theory into why he said this. He did tell us that a

lot of things taken from the TCM classics are dismissed in favour of

a new paradigm of WM and TCM together, integrated. Unfortunately, WM

is the favour of choice and therefore theories are based around WM

rather than the classics. Thus a few classical TCM theories from the

Nei Jing and like are revised. A real shame.

 

I see that there is still some way to go before they find a correct

balance between the use of WM and TCM together. There is a heavy use

of WM with TCM. God knows the interactions that are going on, let

along the side effects of the WM mixing with the TCM syndrome

differentiation. I think these are still the dark ages of

integration. I know a lot of members despise the idea of WM and TCM

integration but I think there's no way around it. That's the future.

 

Can I just say that Mang Xiao isn't mixed with laxatives, sorry.

It's made into a powder and then used as a laxative.

 

Attilio

 

 

" kate " <littlesoul22@h...> wrote:

> Hey Attilio,

>

> I've been thinking about your Beijing email all day, in particular

> the following piece:

>

> > 2. Sore throats can be divided into pain and itchy. Pain

indicates

> > heat whilst itchy indicates cold.

>

> I just can't figure out how itching pertains to cold? I was always

> taught that itching pertains to heat (or blood deficiency). Did

the

> doctors give you the theory behind this, cos i'd be interested to

> hear.

>

> Kate :-)

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine wrote :

 

>> 2. Sore throats can be divided into pain and itchy. Pain indicates

>> heat whilst itchy indicates cold.

>

> I just can't figure out how itching pertains to cold? I was always

> taught that itching pertains to heat (or blood deficiency). Did the

> doctors give you the theory behind this, cos i'd be interested to

> hear.

 

I was taught that itchy pertains to wind and that the (throat) indications

for heat or cold had to do with the level of pain or burning felt. Wind can

accompany either. Itchy/scratchy/tickly + burning pain = wind heat, and

Itchy/scratchy/tickly + none to mild pain = wind cold.

 

Judy Saxe, L.Ac.

Qing Ting Acupuncture LLC

Denver, Colorado

(303) 964-1996

http://www.QingTingAcupuncture.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Attilio,

 

I get the feeling from having read Marnae Ergil's posts and spoken with Paul

Unshuld that your comments below may have been voiced by like minded

practitioners in various centuries before, during and after the Song Dynasty. I

think you're right on the money. I also sense that Chinese medicine will

weather this crisis of " modern times " . The question, of course, is will we

little individual human beings weather the collision of paradigms?

 

In gratitude for " interesting times " ,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

-

Chinese Medicine

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:14 AM

Re: Notes from Zhong Ri hospital, part 1

 

 

Hi Kate,

 

Yes that's right, itchy throat is associated with dryness. No he

didn't share the theory into why he said this. He did tell us that a

lot of things taken from the TCM classics are dismissed in favour of

a new paradigm of WM and TCM together, integrated. Unfortunately, WM

is the favour of choice and therefore theories are based around WM

rather than the classics. Thus a few classical TCM theories from the

Nei Jing and like are revised. A real shame.

 

I see that there is still some way to go before they find a correct

balance between the use of WM and TCM together. There is a heavy use

of WM with TCM. God knows the interactions that are going on, let

along the side effects of the WM mixing with the TCM syndrome

differentiation. I think these are still the dark ages of

integration. I know a lot of members despise the idea of WM and TCM

integration but I think there's no way around it. That's the future.

 

Can I just say that Mang Xiao isn't mixed with laxatives, sorry.

It's made into a powder and then used as a laxative.

 

Attilio

 

 

" kate " <littlesoul22@h...> wrote:

> Hey Attilio,

>

> I've been thinking about your Beijing email all day, in particular

> the following piece:

>

> > 2. Sore throats can be divided into pain and itchy. Pain

indicates

> > heat whilst itchy indicates cold.

>

> I just can't figure out how itching pertains to cold? I was always

> taught that itching pertains to heat (or blood deficiency). Did

the

> doctors give you the theory behind this, cos i'd be interested to

> hear.

>

> Kate :-)

 

 

 

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