power of points Acu older than we thought

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/17/04 3:47:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

 

> What evidence can you show that acupuncture is older than about 2100 years,

> as is the consensus of historical (scientific) scholars, in both China and

> the West?

 

Ananga Sivyer writes: A 5,200-year-old corpse discovered in a glacier in the

Alpine Oetz valley between Austria and Italy in 1991 is being hailed as

evidence that Europeans practised acupuncture some 2,000 years before the

Chinese.

The body of the Tyrolean Neolithic man showed 15 groups of simple tattoos on

the back and legs which tally with those used in modern acupuncture.

 

 

Various television documentaries (BBC Horizon, Discovery Channel Ice Mummies)

and magazines (Science, Discover Archaeology and The Lancet) have reported

the story of the discovery of a Neolithic body and the tattoo markings on that

body which are believed to relate to specific acupuncture points.

 

 

 

 

Ironically, the first physical evidence of acupuncture was found not in China

but in central Europe.

In 1991 the scientific world was rocked by the discovery of " The Ice Man " , a

5,300-year-old mummified man found in the Italian Alps along the border with

Austria. The frozen body was remarkably well preserved.

One of the most remarkable discoveries was a complicated system of

bluish-black tattoos running along his back, right knee and left ankle. The

locations of

the " tattoos " corresponded precisely to acupuncture points and meridians,

including the 'master point for back pain'.

Apparently he suffered from back pain that was confirmed by a series of

X-rays of his body, with evidence of acute arthritis in the lumbar spine.

Otherwise

he was in good health, he had all his teeth with no cavities.

They published their findings in The Lancet in 1999 and later in Discover

magazine.

 

Read the articles:

 

A medical report from the stone age? , THE LANCET, September 18, 1999, Vo1.

354:1023-25.

 

Oetzi The Tyrolean Iceman - European Acupuncture 2000 Years before China?

 

The Ice Man Healeth.(tattoos have been used to heal) Discover Magazine,

February 2000

 

Ice Age Acupuncture? Study of Mummified Body RaisesQuestions about Practice's

Origin.

 

Refs.

References:1 Allison., M. J. 1996. Early mummies from coastal Peru and Chile.

In The Man in the Ice, Volume 3: Human Mummies, K. Spindler, H. Wilfing, E.

Rastbichler-Zissernig, D. zur Nedden, H. Nothdurfter (eds.), pp. 125-129.2

Dorfer, L., Moser, M., Spindler, K., Bahr, E, Egarter-Vigl, E., and Dohr, G.

1998.

 

5200-Year- Old Acupuncture in Central Europe? Science 282:242-243.3 Zur

Nedden, D., and Wicke, K. 1992.

The Similaun Mummy as Observed from the Viewpoint of Radiological and CT

Data. In Der Mann im Eis, Vol. 1, E Höpfel, W. Platzer, K. Spindler, (eds.),

University of Innsbruck, Innsbruck, Austria, pp. 131-148.4 Aspöck, H., Auer, H.,

and Picher, O. 1996.

Trichuris trÉhiura Eggs in the Neolithic Glacier Mummy from the Alps.

Parasitology Today 12(I):255-256.50eggl, J. 1998. Oral communication, University

of

Innsbruck, Austria.6 Bahr, E, Dorfer, L., and Suwanda, S. 1998.

Presidents of the German, Austrian and Swiss Academies of Acupuncture,

respectively.

Expert opinion concerning the tattoos in the Tyrolean Iceman.7 Beijing,

Shanghai, and Nanjing Colleges of Traditional . 1980. Foreign

Languages Press, Beijing.

 

acupuncture today has several articles on this

http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives/2000/jun/06iceage.html also do a search

word search for the other

articles

 

Sunny

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Sunny!

 

Of course, it is *possible* that the man in question had traveled to China.

We have no way of knowing where he had been in the past or where he may

have gotten the tatoos.

 

At 09:29 AM 2/17/2004, you wrote:

>In a message dated 2/17/04 3:47:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,

>writes:

>

> > What evidence can you show that acupuncture is older than about 2100 years,

> > as is the consensus of historical (scientific) scholars, in both China and

> > the West?

>

>Ananga Sivyer writes: A 5,200-year-old corpse discovered in a glacier in the

>Alpine Oetz valley between Austria and Italy in 1991 is being hailed as

>evidence that Europeans practised acupuncture some 2,000 years before the

>Chinese.

>The body of the Tyrolean Neolithic man showed 15 groups of simple tattoos on

>the back and legs which tally with those used in modern acupuncture.

>

>

>Various television documentaries (BBC Horizon, Discovery Channel Ice Mummies)

>and magazines (Science, Discover Archaeology and The Lancet) have reported

>the story of the discovery of a Neolithic body and the tattoo markings on

>that

>body which are believed to relate to specific acupuncture points.

>

>

>

>

>Ironically, the first physical evidence of acupuncture was found not in China

>but in central Europe.

>In 1991 the scientific world was rocked by the discovery of " The Ice Man " , a

>5,300-year-old mummified man found in the Italian Alps along the border with

>Austria. The frozen body was remarkably well preserved.

>One of the most remarkable discoveries was a complicated system of

>bluish-black tattoos running along his back, right knee and left ankle.

>The locations of

>the " tattoos " corresponded precisely to acupuncture points and meridians,

>including the 'master point for back pain'.

>Apparently he suffered from back pain that was confirmed by a series of

>X-rays of his body, with evidence of acute arthritis in the lumbar spine.

>Otherwise

>he was in good health, he had all his teeth with no cavities.

>They published their findings in The Lancet in 1999 and later in Discover

>magazine.

>

>Read the articles:

>

>A medical report from the stone age? , THE LANCET, September 18, 1999, Vo1.

>354:1023-25.

>

>Oetzi The Tyrolean Iceman - European Acupuncture 2000 Years before China?

>

>The Ice Man Healeth.(tattoos have been used to heal) Discover Magazine,

>February 2000

>

>Ice Age Acupuncture? Study of Mummified Body RaisesQuestions about Practice's

>Origin.

>

>Refs.

>References:1 Allison., M. J. 1996. Early mummies from coastal Peru and Chile.

>In The Man in the Ice, Volume 3: Human Mummies, K. Spindler, H. Wilfing, E.

>Rastbichler-Zissernig, D. zur Nedden, H. Nothdurfter (eds.), pp. 125-129.2

>Dorfer, L., Moser, M., Spindler, K., Bahr, E, Egarter-Vigl, E., and Dohr,

>G. 1998.

>

>5200-Year- Old Acupuncture in Central Europe? Science 282:242-243.3 Zur

>Nedden, D., and Wicke, K. 1992.

>The Similaun Mummy as Observed from the Viewpoint of Radiological and CT

>Data. In Der Mann im Eis, Vol. 1, E Höpfel, W. Platzer, K. Spindler, (eds.),

>University of Innsbruck, Innsbruck, Austria, pp. 131-148.4 Aspöck, H.,

>Auer, H.,

>and Picher, O. 1996.

>Trichuris trÉhiura Eggs in the Neolithic Glacier Mummy from the Alps.

>Parasitology Today 12(I):255-256.50eggl, J. 1998. Oral communication,

>University of

>Innsbruck, Austria.6 Bahr, E, Dorfer, L., and Suwanda, S. 1998.

>Presidents of the German, Austrian and Swiss Academies of Acupuncture,

>respectively.

>Expert opinion concerning the tattoos in the Tyrolean Iceman.7 Beijing,

>Shanghai, and Nanjing Colleges of Traditional . 1980. Foreign

>Languages Press, Beijing.

>

>acupuncture today has several articles on this

>http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives/2000/jun/06iceage.html also do a

>search word search for the other

>articles

>

>Sunny

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The other funny thing is where is this " early European " Acupuncture now?

All Acupuncture as we know it today comes originally from China, so even if

this is real evidence, the system did not survive in Europe until it's

reintroduction recently.

 

 

 

Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME

chusauli

 

See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

 

 

 

 

 

>Pete Theisen <petet

>Chinese Medicine

>Chinese Medicine

>Re: power of points Acu older than we thought

>Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:50:25 -0500

>

>Hi Sunny!

>

>Of course, it is *possible* that the man in question had traveled to China.

>We have no way of knowing where he had been in the past or where he may

>have gotten the tatoos.

>

>At 09:29 AM 2/17/2004, you wrote:

> >In a message dated 2/17/04 3:47:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,

>

> >writes:

> >

> > > What evidence can you show that acupuncture is older than about 2100

>years,

> > > as is the consensus of historical (scientific) scholars, in both China

>and

> > > the West?

> >

> >Ananga Sivyer writes: A 5,200-year-old corpse discovered in a glacier in

>the

> >Alpine Oetz valley between Austria and Italy in 1991 is being hailed as

> >evidence that Europeans practised acupuncture some 2,000 years before the

> >Chinese.

> >The body of the Tyrolean Neolithic man showed 15 groups of simple tattoos

>on

> >the back and legs which tally with those used in modern acupuncture.

> >

> >

> >Various television documentaries (BBC Horizon, Discovery Channel Ice

>Mummies)

> >and magazines (Science, Discover Archaeology and The Lancet) have

>reported

> >the story of the discovery of a Neolithic body and the tattoo markings on

> >that

> >body which are believed to relate to specific acupuncture points.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Ironically, the first physical evidence of acupuncture was found not in

>China

> >but in central Europe.

> >In 1991 the scientific world was rocked by the discovery of " The Ice

>Man " , a

> >5,300-year-old mummified man found in the Italian Alps along the border

>with

> >Austria. The frozen body was remarkably well preserved.

> >One of the most remarkable discoveries was a complicated system of

> >bluish-black tattoos running along his back, right knee and left ankle.

> >The locations of

> >the " tattoos " corresponded precisely to acupuncture points and meridians,

> >including the 'master point for back pain'.

> >Apparently he suffered from back pain that was confirmed by a series of

> >X-rays of his body, with evidence of acute arthritis in the lumbar spine.

> >Otherwise

> >he was in good health, he had all his teeth with no cavities.

> >They published their findings in The Lancet in 1999 and later in Discover

> >magazine.

> >

> >Read the articles:

> >

> >A medical report from the stone age? , THE LANCET, September 18, 1999,

>Vo1.

> >354:1023-25.

> >

> >Oetzi The Tyrolean Iceman - European Acupuncture 2000 Years before China?

> >

> >The Ice Man Healeth.(tattoos have been used to heal) Discover Magazine,

> >February 2000

> >

> >Ice Age Acupuncture? Study of Mummified Body RaisesQuestions about

>Practice's

> >Origin.

> >

> >Refs.

> >References:1 Allison., M. J. 1996. Early mummies from coastal Peru and

>Chile.

> >In The Man in the Ice, Volume 3: Human Mummies, K. Spindler, H. Wilfing,

>E.

> >Rastbichler-Zissernig, D. zur Nedden, H. Nothdurfter (eds.), pp.

>125-129.2

> >Dorfer, L., Moser, M., Spindler, K., Bahr, E, Egarter-Vigl, E., and Dohr,

> >G. 1998.

> >

> >5200-Year- Old Acupuncture in Central Europe? Science 282:242-243.3 Zur

> >Nedden, D., and Wicke, K. 1992.

> >The Similaun Mummy as Observed from the Viewpoint of Radiological and CT

> >Data. In Der Mann im Eis, Vol. 1, E Höpfel, W. Platzer, K. Spindler,

>(eds.),

> >University of Innsbruck, Innsbruck, Austria, pp. 131-148.4 Aspöck, H.,

> >Auer, H.,

> >and Picher, O. 1996.

> >Trichuris trÉhiura Eggs in the Neolithic Glacier Mummy from the Alps.

> >Parasitology Today 12(I):255-256.50eggl, J. 1998. Oral communication,

> >University of

> >Innsbruck, Austria.6 Bahr, E, Dorfer, L., and Suwanda, S. 1998.

> >Presidents of the German, Austrian and Swiss Academies of Acupuncture,

> >respectively.

> >Expert opinion concerning the tattoos in the Tyrolean Iceman.7 Beijing,

> >Shanghai, and Nanjing Colleges of Traditional . 1980.

>Foreign

> >Languages Press, Beijing.

> >

> >acupuncture today has several articles on this

> >http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives/2000/jun/06iceage.html also do a

> >search word search for the other

> >articles

> >

> >Sunny

> >

> >

> >