Suppressive Treatments for skin disorders can harm

[Guest guest]

Using acupuncture doesn't " force " the body to do anything, even if you

are just treating symptomatically. There is the ben and biao (root and

branch) of treatment. The old Chinese adage is " In acute conditions

treat the symptoms, in chronic cases, treat the root " .

Aiming a treatment at addressing the underlying cause is preferable,

that is if you are clever enough to work out what the cause is (ie

make the right diagnosis). But it never hurts to give the patient some

relief from symptoms at the same time. That isn't suppressing symptoms

in the way that steroids do, but simply 'clearing' the some of the

pathogenic factors that are manifesting. That's also why symptoms

usually return unless a proper TCM diagnosis and root treatment

strategy has been employed.

 

Godfrey Bartlett.

 

 

Chinese Medicine , SacredQi888@a...

wrote:

> In a message dated 2/15/04 5:25:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> acu@q... writes:

>

> > Please give an example where treating a skin disease symptomatically

> > will end up causing harm.

> >

> > Thx,

> > Godfrey Bartlett

> >

>

> I am not necessarily addressing Chinese medicine unless it is used

in a way

> to force the body to clear the skin disease without also going to

the root

> cause and alleviating it at the same time. To clear a rash or any

other ailment by

> force without addressing the root cause is called suppression.

Suppression

> will drive pathologies deeper into the mental, emotional and

physical bodies.

>

> " Direction of cure " is a concept first described by Constantine

HERING, MD

> (1800-1880), the " father " of American homeopathy, and it is used by

> homeopaths, chiropractors, naturopaths and many other healing

modalities to follow the

> body's healing response to any curative modality. Chiros call it

retracing.

>

> Based on keen observation, Dr. Hering concluded the curative process

must

> occur in specific directions, which he elucidated as follows:

>

> *From above downwards, (i. e. from shoulder to wrist). *From within

outward

> (this happens when there is a skin eruption, an attack of diarrhea,

vomiting

> etc) --- from center to periphery.

> *Symptoms improve from the more important vital organ to the less

important,

> superficial one; i.e., from the heart to the skin. *Symptoms

disappear in the

>

> reverse order of their appearance (the last symptom is the first to

go and

> the first is the last one to disappear).

>

> Often when a child has poison ivy or eczema they can be treated with

calamine

> lotion or steroids. This stops the itching and makes the skin look

and feel

> better but it did not address the true infection which can be in

susceptible

> individuals driven deeper. A few months or years later they develop

asthma or

> heart problems.

>

> Often when we give a homeopathic remedy for asthma a skin eruption will

> occur. This is a good thing. As long as it is on the skin it is

moving out and not

> deeper. If the rash is a curative reaction we should not treat the rash

> especially if it is something they have had in the past. Sometimes

they don't

> remember until queried extensively.

>

> I was using silica to help expel a deep splinter in the heel. A boil

erupted

> on the chest within inches of where a recluse spider bite was

suppressed with

> antibiotics and surgery about 6 years before. I am sure it prevented

a deeper

> pathology such as a breast tumor from developing.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Has anyone else seen asthma or bronchial infections appear after

suppressing

> a skin ailment?

>

>

>

> Sunny

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Certainly if symptoms are urgent and acute one may resort to

balancing-reduction, as in

acute migraine. But the main thrust is always to the root cause.

 

Many a times if the root Rx is instituted, many symptoms ameliorate during

treatment.

 

The contention in my discussion is the use of point-precriptions without

working out

the Design.

 

Since the Elements are a closed circuit, the effect of stimulation-reduction

will become

widespread and felt in all elements. If this is by the Design, there is

healing. If not, there is chaos.

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - home based recertification for acupuncturists and health

professionals

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" acu_qichina " <acu

<Chinese Medicine >

Monday, February 16, 2004 8:32 AM

Re: Suppressive Treatments for skin disorders can harm

 

 

Using acupuncture doesn't " force " the body to do anything, even if you

are just treating symptomatically. There is the ben and biao (root and

branch) of treatment. The old Chinese adage is " In acute conditions

treat the symptoms, in chronic cases, treat the root " .

Aiming a treatment at addressing the underlying cause is preferable,

that is if you are clever enough to work out what the cause is (ie

make the right diagnosis). But it never hurts to give the patient some

relief from symptoms at the same time. That isn't suppressing symptoms

in the way that steroids do, but simply 'clearing' the some of the

pathogenic factors that are manifesting. That's also why symptoms

usually return unless a proper TCM diagnosis and root treatment

strategy has been employed.

 

Godfrey Bartlett.

 

 

Chinese Medicine , SacredQi888@a...

wrote:

> In a message dated 2/15/04 5:25:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> acu@q... writes:

>

> > Please give an example where treating a skin disease symptomatically

> > will end up causing harm.

> >

> > Thx,

> > Godfrey Bartlett

> >

>

> I am not necessarily addressing Chinese medicine unless it is used

in a way

> to force the body to clear the skin disease without also going to

the root

> cause and alleviating it at the same time. To clear a rash or any

other ailment by

> force without addressing the root cause is called suppression.

Suppression

> will drive pathologies deeper into the mental, emotional and

physical bodies.

>

> " Direction of cure " is a concept first described by Constantine

HERING, MD

> (1800-1880), the " father " of American homeopathy, and it is used by

> homeopaths, chiropractors, naturopaths and many other healing

modalities to follow the

> body's healing response to any curative modality. Chiros call it

retracing.

>

> Based on keen observation, Dr. Hering concluded the curative process

must

> occur in specific directions, which he elucidated as follows:

>

> *From above downwards, (i. e. from shoulder to wrist). *From within

outward

> (this happens when there is a skin eruption, an attack of diarrhea,

vomiting

> etc) --- from center to periphery.

> *Symptoms improve from the more important vital organ to the less

important,

> superficial one; i.e., from the heart to the skin. *Symptoms

disappear in the

>

> reverse order of their appearance (the last symptom is the first to

go and

> the first is the last one to disappear).

>

> Often when a child has poison ivy or eczema they can be treated with

calamine

> lotion or steroids. This stops the itching and makes the skin look

and feel

> better but it did not address the true infection which can be in

susceptible

> individuals driven deeper. A few months or years later they develop

asthma or

> heart problems.

>

> Often when we give a homeopathic remedy for asthma a skin eruption will

> occur. This is a good thing. As long as it is on the skin it is

moving out and not

> deeper. If the rash is a curative reaction we should not treat the rash

> especially if it is something they have had in the past. Sometimes

they don't

> remember until queried extensively.

>

> I was using silica to help expel a deep splinter in the heel. A boil

erupted

> on the chest within inches of where a recluse spider bite was

suppressed with

> antibiotics and surgery about 6 years before. I am sure it prevented

a deeper

> pathology such as a breast tumor from developing.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Has anyone else seen asthma or bronchial infections appear after

suppressing

> a skin ailment?

>

>

>

> Sunny

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Godfrey Bartlett wrote:

 

Using acupuncture doesn't " force " the body to do anything, even if you

are just treating symptomatically. There is the ben and biao (root and

branch) of treatment. The old Chinese adage is " In acute conditions

treat the symptoms, in chronic cases, treat the root " .

Aiming a treatment at addressing the underlying cause is preferable,

that is if you are clever enough to work out what the cause is (ie

make the right diagnosis). But it never hurts to give the patient some

relief from symptoms at the same time. That isn't suppressing symptoms

in the way that steroids do, but simply 'clearing' the some of the

pathogenic factors that are manifesting. That's also why symptoms

usually return unless a proper TCM diagnosis and root treatment

strategy has been employed.

 

Godfrey Bartlett.

 

_

 

Hi Godfrey

 

How can you be so certain that " Acupuncture does not 'Force' the body to do

anything? "

 

If you read back through some of the emails I have sent on 'the power of

acupuncture' I give numerous examples of my experiences with regards to the

power of acupuncture to affect the body.

 

 

 

Salvador

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Salvador,

 

When I used the term " force " I was referring to the homeopath poster

who seemed to suggest that acupuncture could act like powerful

pharmaceuticals to block natural responses of the body/mind.

My view and experience is that acupuncture assists the pre-existing

tendency of any living organism towards homeostasis.

 

I did not say that acupuncture can't " affect " the body (or mind). If

any practitioner thought that, they might as well give up and open up

a dry-cleaning franchise!

 

Godfrey.

 

 

> Hi Godfrey

>

> How can you be so certain that " Acupuncture does not 'Force' the

body to do

> anything? "

>

> If you read back through some of the emails I have sent on 'the

power of

> acupuncture' I give numerous examples of my experiences with regards

to the

> power of acupuncture to affect the body.

>

>

>

> Salvador

>

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> Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today!

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/16/2004 11:54:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

aryaone writes:

 

>

> Since the Elements are a closed circuit

 

Was interested in this comment; are the elements really a closed circuit? Don't

we use needles to bring in some outside influence or to allow excesses to 'leak

away'. I often feel energy around the needles and sometimes you will see them

vibrate. I have supposed that there was some coming and going of energy at

these times.

I'd be interested in comments on this.

 

Regards

Christine

[Guest guest]

>cmfadley

Christine.

Nothing is a CLOSED circuit. If that were the case why bother to practice?

Randy, DOM

 

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