Guest guest Posted February 12, 2004 Report Share Posted February 12, 2004 hi, there was some discussion on power of points. i have heard of people who can affect points just by thinking. but i have come across patients fainting during treatment,. pts getting side effects like abortions when being treated for morning sickness. if the acupuncturist is unaware of the potential of needles they should refrain from treating such patients. i have come across patients who have been developing leucoderma after a course of acupuncture treatment. so all in all things can happen. its upto us as professionals who should be wary & on the lookout for such r4eactions & protect our patient from such calamities. maybe we will learn to respect the power of the point & force of acupuncture that we carry with us when we needle & treat a patient. anand ===== Anand Bapat Pain Management Specialist Sports Injury Specialist Blacktown, Parramatta, Punchbowl, & Hammondville 0402 472 897 _________ BT Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80 http://bt..co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2004 Report Share Posted February 12, 2004 Anand wrote: > > hi, there was some discussion on power of points. >i have heard of people who can affect points just by >thinking. >but i have come across patients fainting during >treatment,. pts getting side effects like abortions >when being treated for morning sickness. if the >acupuncturist is unaware of the potential of needles >they should refrain from treating such patients. >i have come across patients who have been developing >leucoderma after a course of acupuncture treatment. so >all in all things can happen. its upto us as >professionals who should be wary & on the lookout for >such r4eactions & protect our patient from such >calamities. >maybe we will learn to respect the power of the point > & force of acupuncture that we carry with us when we >needle & treat a patient. >anand ______ Thank you for your point Anand. Alow me to add a few more whilst on the subject In 5 element schools there is a concept of clearing A. E. (agressive energy). this involves Going to the organ BL points and placing the needles in an even techique just under the skin for as long as it takes for the redness around the needles to subside. I used to religiously apply this technique to all my new patients in the 1st few years of my Acu. practice. Quite a few patients would faint and one wet herself all over the couch to our mutual embarrasment. With one patient I applied just one moxa cone to Ren-15 no needling. by the time I was ready to light a second tiny moxan cone her whole body became very red and she drenched the couch in sweat. occasionally If I placed a needle in DU-20 say anticlockwise the patient would become disorientated and feel giddy. When this happened I would turn the needle clockwise and the patient would feel solid again. This I have experienced with a great many points in the past. Say if the patient is LU deficient and I happened mistakenly leave a needle with the purpose of removing stagnation. I also concur with the statement that one can bring on an abortion by treating points for morning sickness. ofcourre this depends on the prevalent meridian dysharmonies already present. GB-34 comes to mind. I once sedated LU-9 on myself and could not climb the nearest hill through breathlessness, as soon as I got home I tonifed it and was fine again. I have made myself extremely guiddy just by Tonifying KID-3 with my will. I have given myself tummy ache and lost my sense of balance by tonifying SP-9. My wife hadin the past been misdiagnosed and treated for quite a while as a Fire person. Where as in reality she is prone to excess LIV and Def GB. before I understoond these niceties I also, in trying to help, tonifed P-5, we then went for a walk on the local hill.There was a light breeze blowing but the wind affected her ears so badly she developed immediate excruciating ear ache. One of the many Acupuncturists who treated me in the past Ton BL-18 on me with moxa. By that night The whole world was spinning and any slight move would make me feel sick. I couldn't get out of bed for 2 days. But its not all doom and gloom. One acupuncturist Ton KID-24 my heart opened up and on the strengh of that experience I decided I would learn acupuncture Salvador _______________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Maybe you and these researchers should respect and pay attantion to what the fuck you are doing instead of stopping tx for everybody. my practise is to merge w anyone i come across and flow qi there. Clinic, or no clinic, and often no realization of anyone outside of them selves processing thier healing. what a system. no income! salvador march <salvador_march wrote: Anand wrote: > > hi, there was some discussion on power of points. >i have heard of people who can affect points just by >thinking. >but i have come across patients fainting during >treatment,. pts getting side effects like abortions >when being treated for morning sickness. if the >acupuncturist is unaware of the potential of needles >they should refrain from treating such patients. >i have come across patients who have been developing >leucoderma after a course of acupuncture treatment. so >all in all things can happen. its upto us as >professionals who should be wary & on the lookout for >such r4eactions & protect our patient from such >calamities. >maybe we will learn to respect the power of the point > & force of acupuncture that we carry with us when we >needle & treat a patient. >anand ______ Thank you for your point Anand. Alow me to add a few more whilst on the subject In 5 element schools there is a concept of clearing A. E. (agressive energy). this involves Going to the organ BL points and placing the needles in an even techique just under the skin for as long as it takes for the redness around the needles to subside. I used to religiously apply this technique to all my new patients in the 1st few years of my Acu. practice. Quite a few patients would faint and one wet herself all over the couch to our mutual embarrasment. With one patient I applied just one moxa cone to Ren-15 no needling. by the time I was ready to light a second tiny moxan cone her whole body became very red and she drenched the couch in sweat. occasionally If I placed a needle in DU-20 say anticlockwise the patient would become disorientated and feel giddy. When this happened I would turn the needle clockwise and the patient would feel solid again. This I have experienced with a great many points in the past. Say if the patient is LU deficient and I happened mistakenly leave a needle with the purpose of removing stagnation. I also concur with the statement that one can bring on an abortion by treating points for morning sickness. ofcourre this depends on the prevalent meridian dysharmonies already present. GB-34 comes to mind. I once sedated LU-9 on myself and could not climb the nearest hill through breathlessness, as soon as I got home I tonifed it and was fine again. I have made myself extremely guiddy just by Tonifying KID-3 with my will. I have given myself tummy ache and lost my sense of balance by tonifying SP-9. My wife hadin the past been misdiagnosed and treated for quite a while as a Fire person. Where as in reality she is prone to excess LIV and Def GB. before I understoond these niceties I also, in trying to help, tonifed P-5, we then went for a walk on the local hill.There was a light breeze blowing but the wind affected her ears so badly she developed immediate excruciating ear ache. One of the many Acupuncturists who treated me in the past Ton BL-18 on me with moxa. By that night The whole world was spinning and any slight move would make me feel sick. I couldn't get out of bed for 2 days. But its not all doom and gloom. One acupuncturist Ton KID-24 my heart opened up and on the strengh of that experience I decided I would learn acupuncture Salvador _______________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. To change your email settings, i.e. individually, daily digest or none, visit the groups’ homepage: Chinese Medicine/ click ‘edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. To send an email to <Chinese Medicine- > from the email account you joined with. You will be removed automatically but will still recieve messages for a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Hello, you may disagree with the point of view expressed here, but they are all respectable. There is no need to be rude. Regards PJ On Sunday, February 15, 2004, at 06:08 am, mystir wrote: > Maybe you and these researchers should respect and pay attantion to > what the fuck you are doing instead of stopping tx for everybody. my > practise is to merge w anyone i come across and flow qi there. Clinic, > or no clinic, and often no realization of anyone outside of them > selves processing thier healing. what a system. no income! > salvador march <salvador_march wrote: > > Anand wrote: >> >> hi, there was some discussion on power of points. >> i have heard of people who can affect points just by >> thinking. >> but i have come across patients fainting during >> treatment,. pts getting side effects like abortions >> when being treated for morning sickness. if the >> acupuncturist is unaware of the potential of needles >> they should refrain from treating such patients. >> i have come across patients who have been developing >> leucoderma after a course of acupuncture treatment. so >> all in all things can happen. its upto us as >> professionals who should be wary & on the lookout for >> such r4eactions & protect our patient from such >> calamities. >> maybe we will learn to respect the power of the point >> & force of acupuncture that we carry with us when we >> needle & treat a patient. >> anand > ______ > > > Thank you for your point Anand. > Alow me to add a few more whilst on the subject > > In 5 element schools there is a concept of clearing A. E. (agressive > energy). this involves Going to the organ BL points and placing the > needles > in an even techique just under the skin for as long as it takes for the > redness around the needles to subside. > > I used to religiously apply this technique to all my new patients in > the 1st > few years of my Acu. practice. Quite a few patients would faint and > one wet > herself all over the couch to our mutual embarrasment. > > With one patient I applied just one moxa cone to Ren-15 no needling. > by the > time I was ready to light a second tiny moxan cone her whole body > became > very red and she drenched the couch in sweat. > > occasionally If I placed a needle in DU-20 say anticlockwise the > patient > would become disorientated and feel giddy. When this happened I would > turn > the needle clockwise and the patient would feel solid again. This I > have > experienced with a great many points in the past. Say if the patient > is LU > deficient and I happened mistakenly leave a needle with the purpose of > removing stagnation. > > I also concur with the statement that one can bring on an abortion by > treating points for morning sickness. ofcourre this depends on the > prevalent > meridian dysharmonies already present. GB-34 comes to mind. > > I once sedated LU-9 on myself and could not climb the nearest hill > through > breathlessness, as soon as I got home I tonifed it and was fine again. > I have made myself extremely guiddy just by Tonifying KID-3 with my > will. > I have given myself tummy ache and lost my sense of balance by > tonifying > SP-9. > My wife hadin the past been misdiagnosed and treated for quite a while > as a > Fire person. Where as in reality she is prone to excess LIV and Def GB. > before I understoond these niceties I also, in trying to help, tonifed > P-5, > we then went for a walk on the local hill.There was a light breeze > blowing > but the wind affected her ears so badly she developed immediate > excruciating > ear ache. > > One of the many Acupuncturists who treated me in the past Ton BL-18 on > me > with moxa. By that night The whole world was spinning and any slight > move > would make me feel sick. I couldn't get out of bed for 2 days. > > But its not all doom and gloom. One acupuncturist Ton KID-24 my heart > opened up and on the strengh of that experience I decided I would learn > acupuncture > > > Salvador > > _______________ > Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > > Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, > religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > To change your email settings, i.e. individually, daily digest or > none, visit the groups’ homepage: > Chinese Medicine/ click > ‘edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. > > To send an email to > <Chinese Medicine- > from the > email account you joined with. You will be removed automatically but > will still recieve messages for a few days. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Mystir wrote: >Maybe you and these researchers should respect and pay attantion to what >the fuck you are doing instead of stopping tx for everybody. my practise >is to merge w anyone i come across and flow qi there. Clinic, or no clinic, >and often no realization of anyone outside of them selves processing thier >healing. what a system. no income! ------------------- Hi Mystir, You sound like you truly want to help in the healing of people. I think most of us on this forum have a similar wish. The point under discussion is the power of acupuncture points to heal and or do harm depending on how appropriate they are to that individual at a given point in their life. not whether you should or should not practice as an acupuncturist. If you or anyone else has personal experiences why not share them ? Salvador _______________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Sorry for blasting you, the emotion was misdirected. This group is a jewel really. I am frustrated a bit in the way positive changes are being blocked and sold off by too many misguided root diggers. Money is everything to most people, but it can't buy a second of time when you need it. You know the saying 'If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?' Now it should be 'If you're so rich, why aren't you smart?' Important things are not done. The head is mistaken for the tail. The material for the spiritual, and so on. The other day someone compared it to this story; If you put a frog into hot water, it will jump out. But if you put the frog in cold water and slowly turn up the heat, it will stay until it dies. As Yuen Biao said, " Its hard to live in the last days. " Who knows? It is life or death for many. But again, sorry, I take tcm very seriously, almost religiously you know, and others here do too, so forgive the lack of zen-ness. peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 ykcul_ritsym wrote: As Yuen Biao said, " Its hard to live in the last days. " > Only if it is easy to live in the first (younger) days. Age is not synonymous with disease, because youth is not synonymous with health. Even a fetus is born impaired. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - home based recertification for acupuncturists and health professionals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 True enough Doc K. " dr. k " <aryaone wrote:ykcul_ritsym wrote: As Yuen Biao said, " Its hard to live in the last days. " > Only if it is easy to live in the first (younger) days. Age is not synonymous with disease, because youth is not synonymous with health. Even a fetus is born impaired. Dr. Holmes Keikobad Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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