Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:57:09 +0000 " salvador march " <salvador_march wrote: (Re: pitting oedema in the legs in summer) >....I have verified That when we move energy anticlockwise ... What do mean by clockwise or anticlockwise? From the practitioner's viewpoint or the patient's? Same regardless of on which side of the body? Why do you think twisting one way or the other has a particular effect? I'm interested in what works in practice. I've studied the textbook passages on needle manipulation; even tried to teach it in standard TCM curriculum. I find contradictory directions and rationalizations in the TCM literature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 > >....I have verified That when we move energy anticlockwise ... > Chris wrote: >What do mean by clockwise or anticlockwise? > >From the practitioner's viewpoint or the patient's? > >Same regardless of on which side of the body? > >Why do you think twisting one way or the other has a particular effect? > >I'm interested in what works in practice. I've studied the textbook >passages on needle manipulation; even tried to teach it in standard TCM >curriculum. I find contradictory directions and rationalizations in the >TCM literature. > > _ Hi Chris, anticlockwise means a movement from your left hand to your right hand in relation to the acu. point.. wether facing a patient front / back or looking down at your own body. I have mentioned before why I think it matter. I beleive it is to do with with the fascia and contraction / over extension of the myofascial body structure aligned to a particular meridian. I agree, what works in practice and our perception of this is what builds our common sense. However, what 'objective' verification safeguards do you have built in, that you may recognize what works in practice? Sory Chris ,the above is a retorical question for all the others reading this mail salvador _______________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Chinese Medicine , " salvador march " <salvador_march@h...> wrote: > > anticlockwise means a movement from your left hand to your right hand in > relation to the acu. point.. wether facing a patient front / back or looking > down at your own body. I still don't get an unambiguous picture. Do you mean twisting a needle counterclockwise from the left, down and around to the right, then up and around to the left again, as if picturing a clockface over the point. I.e. a clock from the viewpoint of the practitioner and not from the viewpoint of the patient? And the same regardless of which hand the practitioner uses (right-handed or left-handed)? Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2004 Report Share Posted February 12, 2004 > > anticlockwise means a movement from your left hand to your right >hand in > > relation to the acu. point.. wether facing a patient front / back >or looking > > down at your own body. > >I still don't get an unambiguous picture. Do you mean twisting a >needle counterclockwise from the left, down and around to the right, >then up and around to the left again, as if picturing a clockface >over the point. I.e. a clock from the viewpoint of the practitioner >and not from the viewpoint of the patient? And the same regardless of >which hand the practitioner uses (right-handed or left-handed)? > >Thanks, > -------------------------------- Sorry to have taken so long , the answer to the above is yes. salvador _______________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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