Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Hi all, there are some interesting threads here. pharmaceuticals I cringe at the thought of what is done by the pharmaceutical industry and the flagrant abuse of advertising that is routine practice these days! Everybody and their brother think they can diagnose themselves for one thing never mind that it perpetuates the " pop a pill " (lifestyle, what's that got to do with it) mentality. case studies When I was at NESA I was among the pilot group of students who began presenting cases when doing clinical rotations. I found it very helpful as it gave me a global view of the situation and allowed me to hone in on how to approach it. E.G. go right to the root or the presenting symptoms. When I am having trouble with a case I use this as an exercise to enhance my clarity. The format is similar to the ones that you have posted. hormones and migraines I currently am treating a woman with migraines... I have been working with her for over a year now. As we have progressed through the treatments, it has become very evident that her migraines have a strong hormonal component to them. I recently went to a workshop given by Giovanni Macciocia and it was very helpful in giving me a fresh eye to assess her situation. I was feeling like I should send her to someone else for a while there. I think I have moved one step forward with her now but she is tough. Are others able to cure migraines or is it a matter of decreasing them? Is there any rule of thumb about how long you treat someone? I am not an herbalist so I did refer this patient to someone for herbs but she didn't take the herbs enough to get any benefit. I also give her nutritional advice which she doesn't adhere to either! quarterly menses The idea of this freaks me out a bit too... only because it is done chemically. Prior to modern medicine and birth control many women who breast fed their babies would not menstruate for the time that they were nursing the babies so, it was a natural occurence. I have also seen (in my limited experience) that women who have used birth control present with significant blood statis. Regards and Happy New Year Karen Donahue, M.Ac. --- Chinese Medicine wrote: > There are 4 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Garlic used to treat MRSA > " " > <attiliodalberto > 2. Re: Four-season' Pill to be launched > " " > <attiliodalberto > 3. File - Netiquette.txt > Chinese Medicine > 4. Re: Four-season' Pill to be launched > " Shmuel Halevi Ph.D " > <halevis > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Thu, 01 Jan 2004 13:52:52 -0000 > " " > <attiliodalberto > Re: Garlic used to treat MRSA > > I totally agree Phil. They will take the active > ingredient, patent > it, pack it in a tablet and sell it for a fortune. > Alot of WM > medication has evolved this way. This is another > reason why CM has > such big enemies, i.e. the pharmaceutical companies > that don't like > the idea we are our own doctors and chemists. > > Attilio > > " " <@e...> wrote: > > Hi All, & Hi Attilio > > > > > Deborah Brown, 34, from Rainham in Kent, > contracted MRSA after a > > > major spinal operation in November 2000. Painful > wounds on her > > > spine failed to heal for two years, despite > using the > antibiotics > > > and creams currently available. > > > > Leave a patient with a non-healing wound for 2 > years! What an > > indictment of our " modern hospital system " ! > > > > Have they not heard of simple acupuncture, LLLT, > TENS, aloe vera > > gel, etc in the treatment of chronic (indolent) > wounds & ulcers? > > > > And next, they will try to isolate 1-2 actives > from garlic and > charge > > the earth for them, when one can buy garlic in any > supermarket! > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Email: <@e...> > > > > WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount > Ave., Dublin 4, > Ireland > > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: > 0] > > > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: > 0] > > WWW : > http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Thu, 01 Jan 2004 14:07:01 -0000 > " " > <attiliodalberto > Re: Four-season' Pill to be launched > > Well said Michelle. > > I wonder what the WM contraceptive pill does to the > Qi, Blood Chong, > Ren and Zangfu from a TCM perspective. Does anyone > know? > > Attilio > > " Michelle " <treasurerecycler@h...> wrote: > > I agree - additional problems associated with this > are problems > > related to the constant elevation in copper levels > (part of the > > pills mechanism to convince the body it is > pregnant) which I > > understand to be a contributory factor in the > rampant hypo- > > thyroidism in female population), as well as > contributing to > extreme > > blood deficiency (women on typical birth control > pills experience > > extremely scanty menses, in my experience) > > > > That is off the top off my head - let's all look > at this further & > > discuss. Remember, depo-provera was supposed to > be a great answer > > like this as well and had horrible side effects > for women > > (migraines, musculo-skeletal pain, extreme > bleeding every few > months) > > > > > > --- In > Chinese Medicine , > " Attilio > > DAlberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote: > > > REducing the menstruation down to 4 times a year > sounds like a > > crazy > > > idea. I suspect that there will be a higher > number of > infertility > > > cases once women come of the drug, along with > obvious liver > > > problems, like liver qi stagnation. Can anyone > speculate on > other > > > possible syndromes we're likely to see? > > > > > > Taken from: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3300497.stm > > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > > Find out what made the Top Searches of 2003 http://search./top2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Hi Karen, I am a DOM specializing in Fu Ke(TCMOBGYN} and certified in the speciality. Migraines associated w/ cycle should be treated according to 4 phase cycle, different pts and formulas. Progress is expedient. Glactoreaha Amenn. is common d/t relationship of chong, yang ming and breast.Look to Gan Depress/xue stasis, lv kd insuff, and phelgm damp if n obeses, Hope this helps Randy _______________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Randy, I've got a couple of questions. > I am a DOM specializing in Fu Ke(TCMOBGYN} and certified in the speciality. What sort of certification is this? Is there an organization that certifies this specialty or other specialties in Chinese medicine? > Migraines associated w/ cycle should be treated according to 4 phase cycle, > different pts and formulas. Progress is expedient. What is the 4 phase cycle? Thanks, Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Hi Ken, My college had speciality clinics re: lottery in. Of course the first to fill was Sports Med and pain mgmt. I just found mysellf in Fu Ke. Which I practice sucessfully today. In TCM vs Western Meds recognition of a 2 cycle phases ovulation, menstruation. The menses onset as phase one. with TCM views 4 phases. Starting preovulatory, ovulation, post ovulation and premenstrumTreatmeant is best approach where you are treating within this paradigmMost menstrual migraines can be treated during phase 3 and supplement during 4. The cycle is nothing more than a gentle converstion from yin to yang. The 4 phases, in a perfect world 28-30 days, not usually found w/my pts, I treat xue-yin-yang-qi-xue and thus regulate the cycle.Usually it takes 3 cycles to adjust the balance. Randy _______________ Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Randy, Thanks for the info. What college did you attend? I'm interested in a couple of points you bring up. You mention " TCM vs. Western Meds " , and I'm very interested in the origins of this perceived conflict. I realize you didn't make it up, but I'd really appreciate reading whatever you might have to say about how you came to be aware of the " vs. " status of the relationship between TCM and Western medicine. I'd like to hear from anyone on this point, in fact. I'm not sure that I fully get the meaning or implication of the 4 cycle bit, but I guess it's a way of calibrating treatment to stages of a woman's monthly life so as to create optimum results. How do you conform your general pattern to individuals? You might be interested to know that a woman named Sabine Wilms has translated the gynecology scrolls of Sun Si Miao's Qing Jin Yao Fang, the earliest extant encyclopedia of Chinese medicine and the first appearance of a " sub-specialty " of female health. I'm hoping to see the book published within a year or so, and I think folks like you who focus on women's health issues in Chinese medicine will find it indispensable. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Thanks Ken...SWAC As for Western meds vs TCM of course there catagorization can be crossreferenced ie: Phycotropic drug usally are out thrusting interior resolving. Thanks for info re text. Yes 4 phase cyclic tx is treating according to menstrual cycle to achieve optimum effect based on Bian Zheng.I am awaiting the translation of Fu RenDa Quan Liang Fang . Where did you attend? _______________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Randy, Chinese Medicine , " RANDY R " <tcmgyn@h...> wrote: > Thanks Ken...SWAC > As for Western meds vs TCM of course there catagorization can be > crossreferenced ie: Phycotropic drug usally are out thrusting interior > resolving. What is " phycotropic " ? Where did you > attend? Much of my training has been done in an apprenticeship mode. I started studying Chinese medicine in 1970 before there were regulations and schools in the States. I studied and taught at the Chengdu University of TCM from 92-96. I apprenticed at the Sichuan Provincial Dance Academy in Chengdu from 92-94 in the orthopedic clinic there under the direction of Dr. He Tian Xiang and his son. I also study with another tuina specialist in Chengdu, Chen Wan Chuan, who is both a doctor and a taiji teacher there. Are you still in New Mexico? Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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