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Hi all, there are some interesting threads here.

 

pharmaceuticals

I cringe at the thought of what is done by the

pharmaceutical industry and the flagrant abuse of

advertising that is routine practice these days!

Everybody and their brother think they can diagnose

themselves for one thing never mind that it

perpetuates the " pop a pill " (lifestyle, what's that

got to do with it) mentality.

 

case studies

When I was at NESA I was among the pilot group of

students who began presenting cases when doing

clinical rotations. I found it very helpful as it gave

me a global view of the situation and allowed me to

hone in on how to approach it. E.G. go right to the

root or the presenting symptoms. When I am having

trouble with a case I use this as an exercise to

enhance my clarity. The format is similar to the ones

that you have posted.

 

hormones and migraines

I currently am treating a woman with migraines... I

have been working with her for over a year now. As we

have progressed through the treatments, it has become

very evident that her migraines have a strong hormonal

component to them. I recently went to a workshop

given by Giovanni Macciocia and it was very helpful in

giving me a fresh eye to assess her situation. I was

feeling like I should send her to someone else for a

while there. I think I have moved one step forward

with her now but she is tough.

 

Are others able to cure migraines or is it a matter of

decreasing them? Is there any rule of thumb about how

long you treat someone? I am not an herbalist so I did

refer this patient to someone for herbs but she didn't

take the herbs enough to get any benefit. I also give

her nutritional advice which she doesn't adhere to

either!

 

quarterly menses

The idea of this freaks me out a bit too... only

because it is done chemically. Prior to modern

medicine and birth control many women who breast fed

their babies would not menstruate for the time that

they were nursing the babies so, it was a natural

occurence. I have also seen (in my limited

experience) that women who have used birth control

present with significant blood statis.

 

Regards and Happy New Year

Karen Donahue, M.Ac.

 

 

 

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> <attiliodalberto

> Re: Garlic used to treat MRSA

>

> I totally agree Phil. They will take the active

> ingredient, patent

> it, pack it in a tablet and sell it for a fortune.

> Alot of WM

> medication has evolved this way. This is another

> reason why CM has

> such big enemies, i.e. the pharmaceutical companies

> that don't like

> the idea we are our own doctors and chemists.

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> Attilio

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> " " <@e...> wrote:

> > Hi All, & Hi Attilio

> >

> > > Deborah Brown, 34, from Rainham in Kent,

> contracted MRSA after a

> > > major spinal operation in November 2000. Painful

> wounds on her

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> using the

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> > > and creams currently available.

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> > Have they not heard of simple acupuncture, LLLT,

> TENS, aloe vera

> > gel, etc in the treatment of chronic (indolent)

> wounds & ulcers?

> >

> > And next, they will try to isolate 1-2 actives

> from garlic and

> charge

> > the earth for them, when one can buy garlic in any

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> Re: Four-season' Pill to be launched

>

> Well said Michelle.

>

> I wonder what the WM contraceptive pill does to the

> Qi, Blood Chong,

> Ren and Zangfu from a TCM perspective. Does anyone

> know?

>

> Attilio

>

> " Michelle " <treasurerecycler@h...> wrote:

> > I agree - additional problems associated with this

> are problems

> > related to the constant elevation in copper levels

> (part of the

> > pills mechanism to convince the body it is

> pregnant) which I

> > understand to be a contributory factor in the

> rampant hypo-

> > thyroidism in female population), as well as

> contributing to

> extreme

> > blood deficiency (women on typical birth control

> pills experience

> > extremely scanty menses, in my experience)

> >

> > That is off the top off my head - let's all look

> at this further &

> > discuss. Remember, depo-provera was supposed to

> be a great answer

> > like this as well and had horrible side effects

> for women

> > (migraines, musculo-skeletal pain, extreme

> bleeding every few

> months)

> >

> >

> > --- In

> Chinese Medicine ,

> " Attilio

> > DAlberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote:

> > > REducing the menstruation down to 4 times a year

> sounds like a

> > crazy

> > > idea. I suspect that there will be a higher

> number of

> infertility

> > > cases once women come of the drug, along with

> obvious liver

> > > problems, like liver qi stagnation. Can anyone

> speculate on

> other

> > > possible syndromes we're likely to see?

> > >

> > > Taken from:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3300497.stm

> > >

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Hi Karen,

I am a DOM specializing in Fu Ke(TCMOBGYN} and certified in the speciality.

Migraines associated w/ cycle should be treated according to 4 phase cycle,

different pts and formulas. Progress is expedient.

 

Glactoreaha Amenn. is common d/t relationship of chong, yang ming and

breast.Look to Gan Depress/xue stasis, lv kd insuff, and phelgm damp if n

obeses,

 

Hope this helps

Randy

 

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Randy,

 

I've got a couple of questions.

 

 

> I am a DOM specializing in Fu Ke(TCMOBGYN} and certified in the

speciality.

 

What sort of certification is this?

Is there an organization that certifies

this specialty or other specialties in

Chinese medicine?

 

 

> Migraines associated w/ cycle should be treated according to 4

phase cycle,

> different pts and formulas. Progress is expedient.

 

What is the 4 phase cycle?

 

 

Thanks,

 

Ken

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Hi Ken,

My college had speciality clinics re: lottery in. Of course the first to

fill was Sports Med and pain mgmt. I just found mysellf in Fu Ke. Which I

practice sucessfully today. In TCM vs Western Meds recognition of a 2 cycle

phases ovulation, menstruation. The menses onset as phase one. with TCM

views 4 phases. Starting preovulatory, ovulation, post ovulation and

premenstrumTreatmeant is best approach where you are treating within this

paradigmMost menstrual migraines can be treated during phase 3 and

supplement during 4. The cycle is nothing more than a gentle converstion

from yin to yang. The 4 phases, in a perfect world 28-30 days, not usually

found w/my pts, I treat xue-yin-yang-qi-xue and thus regulate the

cycle.Usually it takes 3 cycles to adjust the balance.

Randy

 

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Randy,

 

Thanks for the info. What college did you

attend?

 

I'm interested in a couple of points you

bring up.

 

You mention " TCM vs. Western Meds " , and I'm

very interested in the origins of this perceived

conflict. I realize you didn't make it up,

but I'd really appreciate reading whatever

you might have to say about how you came

to be aware of the " vs. " status of the

relationship between TCM and Western medicine.

 

I'd like to hear from anyone on this point,

in fact.

 

I'm not sure that I fully get the meaning

or implication of the 4 cycle bit, but

I guess it's a way of calibrating treatment

to stages of a woman's monthly life so

as to create optimum results.

 

How do you conform your general pattern

to individuals?

 

You might be interested to know that a

woman named Sabine Wilms has translated

the gynecology scrolls of Sun Si Miao's

Qing Jin Yao Fang, the earliest extant

encyclopedia of Chinese medicine and

the first appearance of a " sub-specialty "

of female health.

 

I'm hoping to see the book published within

a year or so, and I think folks like you

who focus on women's health issues in

Chinese medicine will find it indispensable.

 

Ken

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Thanks Ken...SWAC

As for Western meds vs TCM of course there catagorization can be

crossreferenced ie: Phycotropic drug usally are out thrusting interior

resolving. Thanks for info re text. Yes 4 phase cyclic tx is treating

according to menstrual cycle to achieve optimum effect based on Bian Zheng.I

am awaiting the translation of Fu RenDa Quan Liang Fang . Where did you

attend?

 

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Randy,

 

Chinese Medicine , " RANDY R "

<tcmgyn@h...> wrote:

> Thanks Ken...SWAC

> As for Western meds vs TCM of course there catagorization can be

> crossreferenced ie: Phycotropic drug usally are out thrusting

interior

> resolving.

 

What is " phycotropic " ?

Where did you

> attend?

 

Much of my training has been done

in an apprenticeship mode. I started

studying Chinese medicine in 1970

before there were regulations and schools

in the States. I studied and taught

at the Chengdu University of TCM from

92-96. I apprenticed at the Sichuan Provincial

Dance Academy in Chengdu from 92-94 in

the orthopedic clinic there under the

direction of Dr. He Tian Xiang and his

son.

 

I also study with another tuina specialist

in Chengdu, Chen Wan Chuan, who is both

a doctor and a taiji teacher there.

 

Are you still in New Mexico?

 

Ken

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