Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 Chinese Medicine , " dr. k " <aryaone@e...> wrote: > In a case history, does one look for: > > 1. A collection of symptoms which tend belatedly to a diagnostic pattern? > 2. Or a pattern which early on begins to diagnose itself? > I am with you on this one Dr. Holmes One can follow symptoms and chase one's tail or treat the root also. However, How does your present diagnostic method allow for a root that is composed of 2 meridians? For example I commonly find people who's root is Excess/ stagnant Lu yet Def. in LI. Wood people with Excess /Stagnant Liv and Def. GB. as well as Earth people with Ex./ Stag. SP and Def. ST. Water and Fire much more rare. I also find lots of other combinations spaning separate Meridians in separate elements which I shant go into now. Salvador Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 Hi My idea is that it depends on how critical the condition is. If I have a migraine then I'd prefer you work to get rid of my the migrain symptoms NOW. I'll think about the causes later. Once the critical condition is alleviated does it make sense to me focus on the root/original cause. If I have low grade lower back ache, weak knees etc, then I'd prefer you work the root problem. The pain is not too much, so waiting for the root treatment to kick in is ok. Basically, if the condition is acute, then treat the symptom first, if not, go for the root first. If you can do both at the same time then fine, it depends on how effectively you can treat the condition: I just might not return for further treatment if after 10 sessions (exagerating here) I still have my blinding migrain and you've been tending to metal the whole time. IMHO offcourse. fred dr. k [aryaone] Wednesday, December 31, 2003 12:37 PM Chinese Medicine Re: Re: Case histories - Precedence In a case history, does one look for: 1. A collection of symptoms which tend belatedly to a diagnostic pattern? 2. Or a pattern which early on begins to diagnose itself? Example, a case of acute Migraine: Does one collate the findings, a. Inside, Hot, Yang, Shi b. GB channel points tender c. Tongue red, yellow coat d. Pulse obligingly wiry and Fast e. Visible signs of LV Fire etc .... and then decide Migraine and treat it as such? Or, a. Problem on Wood b. Reports chronic Metal problems since childhood, asthma, allergies c. Tongue and signs apart from above also confirms an older Metal problem. d. LV Fire is the result of a Metal Offending Wood design. .... and then treat the emergent Migraine, but also attend to the Metal root? Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - home based recertification for acupuncturists and health professionals Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. To change your email settings, i.e. individually, daily digest or none, visit the groups’ homepage: Chinese Medicine/ click ‘edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. To send an email to <Chinese Medicine- > from the email account you joined with. You will be removed automatically but will still recieve messages for a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 I suppose, that depends upon whom the case study is for and whether you're trying to relate the paralllels of East and West. I have written several case studies for east end West. Let me know if I can help:) Debra Chinese Medicine , " dr. k " <aryaone@e...> wrote: > In a case history, does one look for: > > 1. A collection of symptoms which tend belatedly to a diagnostic pattern? > 2. Or a pattern which early on begins to diagnose itself? > > Example, a case of acute Migraine: > > Does one collate the findings, > a. Inside, Hot, Yang, Shi > b. GB channel points tender > c. Tongue red, yellow coat > d. Pulse obligingly wiry and Fast > e. Visible signs of LV Fire etc > ... and then decide Migraine and treat it as such? > > Or, > a. Problem on Wood > b. Reports chronic Metal problems since childhood, asthma, allergies > c. Tongue and signs apart from above also confirms an older Metal problem. > d. LV Fire is the result of a Metal Offending Wood design. > ... and then treat the emergent Migraine, but also attend to the Metal root? > > Dr. Holmes Keikobad > MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ > www.acu-free.com - home based recertification for acupuncturists and health > professionals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Debra, I'm working on a project to develop a case history reporting form and protocol that can be used to develop an online data base of case data to serve as a basis for outcome studies and further research. I'd be very interested in any input you can provide based on your experience in reporting on cases. The topic of " parallels of East and West " is of particular interest. Thanks, Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Ken My PhD students have developed a new way to record histories, please visit http://chess1.chinese-remedy.com/notepad.php to put any text information into internet http://chess1.chinese-remedy.com/searchtest.php to search the information and summary them to four groups Thanks John Wu MD PhD MSc DCEH MGCTCM Dr & HERBS Ltd, UK www.drandherbs.com 0044 77 135 060 24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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