Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Hi All & Hi Holmes, > If one tends to anger, one is in imbalance. If to rage, one is > ill. In both cases recognition of what is happening is paramount. We have another List [LIKEM - Love, Intuition / Intention, Knowledge, Empathy & Mysticism in Healing]. Most on that List believe that all those elements combine for the best results. IMO, a healer with anger or rage is not centred and will not get the best results. The words: " Healer, Heal Thyself " spring to mind! [Holmes, the word " Thyself " does not refer to you! Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Anger is just one emotion from our human nature. We view it as a negative emotion because it has negative implications. However, anger is just as valid and important as joy. If you sit still enough you can feel them, the emotions, rise up from deep inside you. You perspective may be still, calm and relaxed, yet you'll feel different emotions rising up like waves, anger, happiness, sadness, etc. Each one is valid and yet each one is a transient illusion. Instead of attached to one particular emotion you may want to view them all as illusion, and so ride them all in the same way. Emotion viewed from the Zangfu represents this balance of emotion and the non-judgmental view of emotion. Excessive anger causes an imbalance of Qi and affects the liver. Excessive joy affects the Heart. They are simply imbalances of emotional states and nothing more. A person that does not express anger is imbalanced and will store suppressed anger inside, usually via the liver and develop internal diseases as a consequence. I wouldn't trust a person that was never anger or never happy for that matter. I therefore embrace anger and joy and all our emotions, they are apart of us and cannot be selectively ignored or removed. I'll leave you with a quote from my favourite poem which sums up the illusion and equal ness of 'negative' and 'positive' emotions. If you can dream--and not make dreams your master, If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son! --Rudyard Kipling Attilio " " <@e...> wrote: > Hi All & Hi Holmes, > > > If one tends to anger, one is in imbalance. If to rage, one is > > ill. In both cases recognition of what is happening is paramount. > > We have another List [LIKEM - Love, Intuition / Intention, > Knowledge, Empathy & Mysticism in Healing]. Most on that List > believe that all those elements combine for the best results. > > IMO, a healer with anger or rage is not centred and will not get the > best results. > > The words: " Healer, Heal Thyself " spring to mind! [Holmes, the > word " Thyself " does not refer to you! > > > Best regards, > > Email: <@e...> > > WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Well said Attilio. Anger, like any other emotion, is a perfectly valid emotion so long as it is appropriate to the circumstances and one doesn't get stuck in it. There seems to be a kind of superficial New Age approach to so-called 'negative' emotions which has crept into the mindset of many practitioners of OM. I wonder if this implicit disapproval of certain emotions comes across to patients of such practitioners? That would be unfortunate, because I have treated many patients, paticularly women, who's physical symptoms seemed directly related to their suppression of anger and frustration. The last thing they need from the practitioner is an implied value judgement that their inner feelings are invalid. Godfrey Bartlett. Chinese Medicine , attiliodalberto wrote: > Anger is just one emotion from our human nature. We view it as a > negative emotion because it has negative implications. However, > anger is just as valid and important as joy. > > If you sit still enough you can feel them, the emotions, rise up > from deep inside you. You perspective may be still, calm and > relaxed, yet you'll feel different emotions rising up like waves, > anger, happiness, sadness, etc. Each one is valid and yet each one > is a transient illusion. Instead of attached to one particular > emotion you may want to view them all as illusion, and so ride them > all in the same way. > > Emotion viewed from the Zangfu represents this balance of emotion > and the non-judgmental view of emotion. Excessive anger causes an > imbalance of Qi and affects the liver. Excessive joy affects the > Heart. They are simply imbalances of emotional states and nothing > more. > > A person that does not express anger is imbalanced and will store > suppressed anger inside, usually via the liver and develop internal > diseases as a consequence. I wouldn't trust a person that was never > anger or never happy for that matter. I therefore embrace anger and > joy and all our emotions, they are apart of us and cannot be > selectively ignored or removed. > > I'll leave you with a quote from my favourite poem which sums up the > illusion and equal ness of 'negative' and 'positive' emotions. > > If you can dream--and not make dreams your master, > If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim; > If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster > And treat those two impostors just the same; > Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, > And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son! > --Rudyard Kipling > > Attilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Hi Godfrey, This is exactly true. I treated an alternative health healer, who had an almost person state of health. A pink tongue with a slight white coating, normal appetite, sleep, urine, stools, etc. Yet he suppressed his angry, feeling that it was an emotion that he should no longer have and therefore exhibited liver Qi stagnation symptoms such as a wiry pulse and was generally irritated with imperfections in his surrounding life. Attilio " acu_qichina " <acu@q...> wrote: > Well said Attilio. > Anger, like any other emotion, is a perfectly valid emotion so long as > it is appropriate to the circumstances and one doesn't get stuck in > it. There seems to be a kind of superficial New Age approach to > so-called 'negative' emotions which has crept into the mindset of many > practitioners of OM. > I wonder if this implicit disapproval of certain emotions comes across > to patients of such practitioners? That would be unfortunate, because > I have treated many patients, paticularly women, who's physical > symptoms seemed directly related to their suppression of anger and > frustration. The last thing they need from the practitioner is an > implied value judgement that their inner feelings are invalid. > > Godfrey Bartlett. > > > Chinese Medicine , > attiliodalberto wrote: > > Anger is just one emotion from our human nature. We view it as a > > negative emotion because it has negative implications. However, > > anger is just as valid and important as joy. > > > > If you sit still enough you can feel them, the emotions, rise up > > from deep inside you. You perspective may be still, calm and > > relaxed, yet you'll feel different emotions rising up like waves, > > anger, happiness, sadness, etc. Each one is valid and yet each one > > is a transient illusion. Instead of attached to one particular > > emotion you may want to view them all as illusion, and so ride them > > all in the same way. > > > > Emotion viewed from the Zangfu represents this balance of emotion > > and the non-judgmental view of emotion. Excessive anger causes an > > imbalance of Qi and affects the liver. Excessive joy affects the > > Heart. They are simply imbalances of emotional states and nothing > > more. > > > > A person that does not express anger is imbalanced and will store > > suppressed anger inside, usually via the liver and develop internal > > diseases as a consequence. I wouldn't trust a person that was never > > anger or never happy for that matter. I therefore embrace anger and > > joy and all our emotions, they are apart of us and cannot be > > selectively ignored or removed. > > > > I'll leave you with a quote from my favourite poem which sums up the > > illusion and equal ness of 'negative' and 'positive' emotions. > > > > If you can dream--and not make dreams your master, > > If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim; > > If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster > > And treat those two impostors just the same; > > Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, > > And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son! > > --Rudyard Kipling > > > > Attilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 how did you treat? Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - home based recertification for acupuncturists and health professionals - " " <attiliodalberto <Chinese Medicine > Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:42 PM Re: Anger/rage and healing Hi Godfrey, This is exactly true. I treated an alternative health healer, who had an almost person state of health. A pink tongue with a slight white coating, normal appetite, sleep, urine, stools, etc. Yet he suppressed his angry, feeling that it was an emotion that he should no longer have and therefore exhibited liver Qi stagnation symptoms such as a wiry pulse and was generally irritated with imperfections in his surrounding life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 Please let's also remember that to the Chinese Anger is the surge necessary for birth, creativity and the movement/growth of spring, It is what helps the plant grow through the sidewalk. The *pathology* of Anger is what seems to be under discussion, arising from frustration, from feeling stuck, from being unable to see the options. The English translations of these emotions don't help. We think we would rather have Joy than Anger, be Fragrant rather than Rancid. Yet healthy Rancid smells like a tree and unhealthy Fragrant can activate the gag reflex. Joy isn't about being happy. Perhaps this is two discussions - the appropriate expression of an emotion, and the Chinese definition of Emotion (which, according to Niki Bilton, is actually the Will of each Element). Karen acu_qichina wrote: > Well said Attilio. > Anger, like any other emotion, is a perfectly valid emotion so long as > it is appropriate to the circumstances and one doesn't get stuck in > it. There seems to be a kind of superficial New Age approach to > so-called 'negative' emotions which has crept into the mindset of many > practitioners of OM. > I wonder if this implicit disapproval of certain emotions comes across > to patients of such practitioners? That would be unfortunate, because > I have treated many patients, paticularly women, who's physical > symptoms seemed directly related to their suppression of anger and > frustration. The last thing they need from the practitioner is an > implied value judgement that their inner feelings are invalid. > > Godfrey Bartlett. > > > Chinese Medicine , > attiliodalberto wrote: > > Anger is just one emotion from our human nature. We view it as a > > negative emotion because it has negative implications. However, > > anger is just as valid and important as joy. > > > > If you sit still enough you can feel them, the emotions, rise up > > from deep inside you. You perspective may be still, calm and > > relaxed, yet you'll feel different emotions rising up like waves, > > anger, happiness, sadness, etc. Each one is valid and yet each one > > is a transient illusion. Instead of attached to one particular > > emotion you may want to view them all as illusion, and so ride them > > all in the same way. > > > > Emotion viewed from the Zangfu represents this balance of emotion > > and the non-judgmental view of emotion. Excessive anger causes an > > imbalance of Qi and affects the liver. Excessive joy affects the > > Heart. They are simply imbalances of emotional states and nothing > > more. > > > > A person that does not express anger is imbalanced and will store > > suppressed anger inside, usually via the liver and develop internal > > diseases as a consequence. I wouldn't trust a person that was never > > anger or never happy for that matter. I therefore embrace anger and > > joy and all our emotions, they are apart of us and cannot be > > selectively ignored or removed. > > > > I'll leave you with a quote from my favourite poem which sums up the > > illusion and equal ness of 'negative' and 'positive' emotions. > > > > If you can dream--and not make dreams your master, > > If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim; > > If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster > > And treat those two impostors just the same; > > Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, > > And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son! > > --Rudyard Kipling > > > > Attilio > > > > > Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, > religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > To change your email settings, i.e. individually, daily digest or > none, visit the groups' homepage: > Chinese Medicine/ click > 'edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. > > To send an email to > <Chinese Medicine- > from the > email account you joined with. You will be removed automatically but > will still recieve messages for a few days. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 Treated the branch, by regulating the Liver. The root can only come from self-realisation. Attilio " dr. k " <aryaone@e...> wrote: > how did you treat? > > Dr. Holmes Keikobad > MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ > www.acu-free.com - home based recertification for acupuncturists and health > professionals > - > " " <attiliodalberto> > <Chinese Medicine > > Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:42 PM > Re: Anger/rage and healing > > > Hi Godfrey, > > This is exactly true. I treated an alternative health healer, who > had an almost person state of health. A pink tongue with a slight > white coating, normal appetite, sleep, urine, stools, etc. Yet he > suppressed his angry, feeling that it was an emotion that he should > no longer have and therefore exhibited liver Qi stagnation symptoms > such as a wiry pulse and was generally irritated with imperfections > in his surrounding life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 Karen > Perhaps this is two discussions - the appropriate expression of an > emotion, and the Chinese definition of Emotion (which, according to Niki > Bilton, is actually the Will of each Element). > Karen > You make an excellent point concerning taking into account the Chinese meanings of the words that are translated with various English terms that name emotions. Does Niki Bilton describe what is meant by " Will of each Element " ? Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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