Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 Hi to all TCM at I am Ilkay Zihni Chirali, Practitioner-Teacher and the Author of TCM-Cupping Therapy. I am interested to hear your clinical experiences regarding cupping therapy. Best wishes to you all Ilkay Z. Chirali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 Chinese Medicine , " ilkay Chirali " <ilkaychirali@v...> wrote: > Hi to all TCM at > > I am Ilkay Zihni Chirali, Practitioner-Teacher and the Author of TCM-Cupping Therapy. I am interested to hear your clinical experiences regarding cupping therapy. > > Best wishes to you all > Ilkay Z. Chirali Here is one view for example... http://www.acumedico.com/discus/messages/25/74.html?1067853860 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 Hi Group I am looking forward to hear your clincal cupping experiences. Best regrads Ilkay Zihni Chirali (author of TCM-Cupping Therapy) - Marco Chinese Medicine Monday, November 17, 2003 6:03 PM Re: Re: "aromatic" function ??? Robert Hayden:Aromatic herbs are usually used to dispel turbidity, either from thecenter jiao or from the sense orifices.Marco:David, I seam to remember that it can calm the mind settle the mind due todispelling - dispersing turbidity and also move qi (blood?) and I am underthe impression that aromatic herbs can reduce dissipate pain physical (andemotional?)Marco BerghMembership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. To change your email settings, i.e. individually, daily digest or none, visit the groups’ homepage: Chinese Medicine/ click ‘edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. To send an email to<Chinese Medicine- > from the email account you joined with. You will be removed automatically but will still recieve messages for a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 based on my short experience in tcm,especially acupuncture,cupping is usually used to expel wind element.it's quite effective for symptoms like flu,muscle pains,etc.we usually combine it with moxibustion and of course acupuncture. Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard http://antispam./whatsnewfree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Just a short question for the group -In our practise we utilise cupping fairly often and have had some positive results ,but has any one out there had some patients with cup marks still present over 2 weeks or longer -(not burn maks)-What can this manifestation be a result of ?-would it be advisable to continue or wait till the marks subside ? One more Question, dose any one use cupping for tonification -if so ,why and how! Personals - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Chinese Medicine , Rodd <acurodd> wrote: > One more Question, dose any one use cupping for tonification -if so ,why and how! > > have a look at Birch & Ida's " Japanese acupuncture, a clinical guide " . lots of information on this very topic. robert hayden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Dear Rodd, In my experience, if marks persist for more than 2 weeks, then I would take this as an indication of an underlying Spleen Qi Deficiency. Spleen is not holding Blood, and therefore bruising is not only taking place, but the skin is failing to heal. Tonify the Spleen with Acupuncture, Moxa (if ther is no Yin Xu present) on St 36, with Herbs and the bruising will heal. Also, until the person has been tonified, I would not cup again. Obviously, I don't know the condition you were treating, but lasting bruising would lead me to think that the person's Qi is not strong enough yet for the moving of Qi and Blood that takes place during cupping. Best wishes, Naava. >Rodd <acurodd >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Re: Cupping Therapy >Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:14:29 +1100 (EST) > >Just a short question for the group -In our practise we utilise cupping >fairly often and have had some positive results ,but has any one out there >had some patients with cup marks still present over 2 weeks or longer -(not >burn maks)-What can this manifestation be a result of ?-would it be >advisable to continue or wait till the marks subside ? >One more Question, dose any one use cupping for tonification -if so ,why >and how! Personals >- New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! _______________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 I have to disagree with Naava, despite the fact that what she says makes sense, at least on the " virtual " level (no mockery intended). Cupping is usually performed in order to relieve exogenous pathogens, especially wind, as someone in the group has already pointed out. It is used only in excessive conditions of Wind and cold, less often in heat condition or toxic blood. This is usually performed as blood-cupping. BTW the Chinese, and other cultures for that matter, call this procedure Wind-glasses or Wind-cups, and not merely cupping. The dark marks of the cups usually stay for a longer period of time on the skin in cases where SHA exist. Sha is a latent/dormant or active chronic external pathogen which is lodged within the skin, muscle or joints tissues. Also Sha treatment, causes red/purple blotches to appear on the skin for extended period of time . As for the Spleen Qi xu pattern for this problem, the opposite is more likely. Sp Qi xu patients often exhibit pale face and skin, as well as some blood deficiency or thinness. These patients usually exhibit very pale cupping marks, if any at all. There is some more about this topic under this link: http://www.acumedico.com/discus/messages/25/74.html?1068529466 Shmuel Halevi Ph.D http://acumedico.com Chinese Medicine , " Naava Carman " <naavacarman@h...> wrote: > Dear Rodd, > > In my experience, if marks persist for more than 2 weeks, then I would take > this as an indication of an underlying Spleen Qi Deficiency. Spleen is not > holding Blood, and therefore bruising is not only taking place, but the skin > is failing to heal. > > Tonify the Spleen with Acupuncture, Moxa (if ther is no Yin Xu present) on > St 36, with Herbs and the bruising will heal. Also, until the person has > been tonified, I would not cup again. Obviously, I don't know the condition > you were treating, but lasting bruising would lead me to think that the > person's Qi is not strong enough yet for the moving of Qi and Blood that > takes place during cupping. > > Best wishes, > Naava. > > > >Rodd <acurodd> > >Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > >Re: Re: Cupping Therapy > >Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:14:29 +1100 (EST) > > > >Just a short question for the group -In our practise we utilise cupping > >fairly often and have had some positive results ,but has any one out there > >had some patients with cup marks still present over 2 weeks or longer -(not > >burn maks)-What can this manifestation be a result of ?-would it be > >advisable to continue or wait till the marks subside ? > >One more Question, dose any one use cupping for tonification -if so ,why > >and how! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personals > >- New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! > > _______________ > Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Dear Rodd I have managed to bring together Ten cupping Methods, some Tonifying, some Draining and some even methods (Look -Cupping Therapy ISBN 0443 06038X). As far as the bruising marks are concerned, you will always get bruising as a result of using Medium, Strong or Moving cupping techniques. When SP Qi xu is the pattern then I would not advise the use of Strong or Moving cupping methods (they are Draining techniques!) It is quite normal after the first session for the bruise to last longer i,e 2-3 weeks. Best of health Ilkay Zihni Chirali (Author -Cupping Therapy) - Rodd Chinese Medicine Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:14 AM Re: Re: Cupping Therapy Just a short question for the group -In our practise we utilise cupping fairly often and have had some positive results ,but has any one out there had some patients with cup marks still present over 2 weeks or longer -(not burn maks)-What can this manifestation be a result of ?-would it be advisable to continue or wait till the marks subside ? One more Question, dose any one use cupping for tonification -if so ,why and how! Personals- New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. To change your email settings, i.e. individually, daily digest or none, visit the groups’ homepage: Chinese Medicine/ click ‘edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. To send an email to<Chinese Medicine- > from the email account you joined with. You will be removed automatically but will still recieve messages for a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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