New Textbook: Chinese Medical Herbology and Pharmacology

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Hi All,

 

See: http://www.aompress.com/Product.htm for an outline of a new CHM

textbook: " Chinese Medical Herbology and Pharmacology " , by John K Chen

and Tina T Chen.

 

It is a Hardcover book: 1336 pages, 670 herbs, 1150 illustrations Dimensions:

7.75 x 11 " Price: $89.95 ISBN: 0-9740635-0-9

 

The Webpage has 13 free monographs in pdf format. The discussion and

technical details (including herb-drug interactions) in these monographs are

stunning. How I wish that there were textbooks of this quality available in

digital

form for easy searching, editing and data manipulation!

 

IMO, this textbook is a " must buy " for serious TCM herbalists. Take a look at

the Monographs:

 

1. Chai Hu (Radix Bupleuri)

http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/ChaiHu.pdf

 

2. Dan Shen (Radix Salviae Miltiorrhizae)

http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/DanShen.pdf

 

3. Dang Gui (Radicis Angelicae Sinensis)

http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/DangGui.pdf

 

4. Fu Zi (Radix Aconiti Lateralis Praeparata)

http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/FuZi.pdf

 

5. Gan Cao (Radix Glycyrrhizae)

http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/GanCao.pdf

 

6. Guan Ye Lian Qiao (Herba Hyperici)

http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/GuanYeLianQiao.pdf

 

7. Hong Qu (Monascus)

http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/HongQu.pdf

 

8. Huang Lian (Rhizoma Coptidis)

http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/HuangLian.pdf

 

9. Huang Qi (Radix Astragali)

http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/HuangQi.pdf

 

10. Ling Zhi (Ganoderma)

http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/LingZhi.pdf

 

11. Ma Huang (Herba Ephedrae)

http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/MaHuang.pdf

 

12. Ren Shen (Radix Ginseng)

http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/RenShen.pdf

 

13. Wu Wei Zi (Fructus Schisandrae Chinensis)

http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/WuWeiZi.pdf

 

 

Best regards,

 

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I looked through the monographs. John Chen has not

supported any herbal information with human studies.

He illustrates has support with animal studies; such

as, mice. This book in not complete. I understand

the AMA is in an uproar concern John Chen because of

his lack of proper sciencific support. As a result of

John Chen's great marketing skill, his lack of human

studies on herbal and drug interaction can have a

negative impact of the TCM professional. The

professional cannot afford a step backwards.

 

David

--- < wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> See: http://www.aompress.com/Product.htm for an

> outline of a new CHM

> textbook: " Chinese Medical Herbology and

> Pharmacology " , by John K Chen

> and Tina T Chen.

>

> It is a Hardcover book: 1336 pages, 670 herbs, 1150

> illustrations Dimensions:

> 7.75 x 11 " Price: $89.95 ISBN: 0-9740635-0-9

>

> The Webpage has 13 free monographs in pdf format.

> The discussion and

> technical details (including herb-drug interactions)

> in these monographs are

> stunning. How I wish that there were textbooks of

> this quality available in digital

> form for easy searching, editing and data

> manipulation!

>

> IMO, this textbook is a " must buy " for serious TCM

> herbalists. Take a look at

> the Monographs:

>

> 1. Chai Hu (Radix Bupleuri)

> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/ChaiHu.pdf

>

> 2. Dan Shen (Radix Salviae Miltiorrhizae)

> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/DanShen.pdf

>

> 3. Dang Gui (Radicis Angelicae Sinensis)

> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/DangGui.pdf

>

> 4. Fu Zi (Radix Aconiti Lateralis Praeparata)

> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/FuZi.pdf

>

> 5. Gan Cao (Radix Glycyrrhizae)

> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/GanCao.pdf

>

> 6. Guan Ye Lian Qiao (Herba Hyperici)

>

http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/GuanYeLianQiao.pdf

>

>

> 7. Hong Qu (Monascus)

> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/HongQu.pdf

>

> 8. Huang Lian (Rhizoma Coptidis)

> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/HuangLian.pdf

>

> 9. Huang Qi (Radix Astragali)

> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/HuangQi.pdf

>

> 10. Ling Zhi (Ganoderma)

> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/LingZhi.pdf

>

> 11. Ma Huang (Herba Ephedrae)

> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/MaHuang.pdf

>

> 12. Ren Shen (Radix Ginseng)

> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/RenShen.pdf

>

> 13. Wu Wei Zi (Fructus Schisandrae Chinensis)

> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/WuWeiZi.pdf

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Email: <

>

> WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave.,

> Dublin 4, Ireland

> Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic:

> 0]

>

> HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

> Tel : 353-; [in the Republic:

> 0]

> WWW :

> http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm

>

 

 

 

 

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Are not the 'animal studies' you mention in a rather derogatory manner in addition to the traditional knowledge of these herbs? You implication that the animal studies are in isolation is completely unfounded surely ! Sammy.

 

David Razo [ozar14]05 November 2003 14:57Chinese Medicine Subject: Re: New Textbook: Chinese Medical Herbology and PharmacologyI looked through the monographs. John Chen has notsupported any herbal information with human studies. He illustrates has support with animal studies; suchas, mice. This book in not complete. I understandthe AMA is in an uproar concern John Chen because ofhis lack of proper sciencific support. As a result ofJohn Chen's great marketing skill, his lack of humanstudies on herbal and drug interaction can have anegative impact of the TCM professional. Theprofessional cannot afford a step backwards.David--- < wrote:> Hi All, > > See: http://www.aompress.com/Product.htm for an> outline of a new CHM > textbook: "Chinese Medical Herbology and> Pharmacology", by John K Chen > and Tina T Chen. > > It is a Hardcover book: 1336 pages, 670 herbs, 1150> illustrations Dimensions: > 7.75 x 11" Price: $89.95 ISBN: 0-9740635-0-9 > > The Webpage has 13 free monographs in pdf format.> The discussion and > technical details (including herb-drug interactions)> in these monographs are > stunning. How I wish that there were textbooks of> this quality available in digital > form for easy searching, editing and data> manipulation!> > IMO, this textbook is a "must buy" for serious TCM> herbalists. Take a look at > the Monographs:> > 1. Chai Hu (Radix Bupleuri) > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/ChaiHu.pdf > > 2. Dan Shen (Radix Salviae Miltiorrhizae) > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/DanShen.pdf > > 3. Dang Gui (Radicis Angelicae Sinensis)> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/DangGui.pdf > > 4. Fu Zi (Radix Aconiti Lateralis Praeparata) > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/FuZi.pdf > > 5. Gan Cao (Radix Glycyrrhizae)> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/GanCao.pdf > > 6. Guan Ye Lian Qiao (Herba Hyperici)>http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/GuanYeLianQiao.pdf> > > 7. Hong Qu (Monascus) > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/HongQu.pdf > > 8. Huang Lian (Rhizoma Coptidis)> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/HuangLian.pdf > > 9. Huang Qi (Radix Astragali)> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/HuangQi.pdf > > 10. Ling Zhi (Ganoderma) > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/LingZhi.pdf > > 11. Ma Huang (Herba Ephedrae)> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/MaHuang.pdf > > 12. Ren Shen (Radix Ginseng)> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/RenShen.pdf > > 13. Wu Wei Zi (Fructus Schisandrae Chinensis)> http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/WuWeiZi.pdf > > > Best regards,> > Email: <> > WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave.,> Dublin 4, Ireland> Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic:> 0]> > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland> Tel : 353-; [in the Republic:> 0]> WWW :> http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm> Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuardhttp://antispam./whatsnewfreeMembership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. To change your email settings, i.e. individually, daily digest or none, visit the groups homepage: Chinese Medicine/ click edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. To send an email to<Chinese Medicine- > from the email account you joined with. You will be removed automatically but will still recieve messages for a few days.

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Sammy, what was derogatory in what i said ? Let's

remember John Chen is a scientist. If he is going to

publish a text book on the science of drug

interactions then he should be responsible enough to

intregate human studies that illustrate the effects of

chinese herbs and western medicine on the human body.

That's fair isn't it? That is way his book it is not

complete.

David

 

--- ga.bates wrote:

> Are not the 'animal studies' you mention in a rather

> derogatory manner in

> addition to the traditional knowledge of these

> herbs? You implication that

> the animal studies are in isolation is completely

> unfounded surely ! Sammy.

>

> David Razo [ozar14]

> 05 November 2003 14:57

> Chinese Medicine

> Re: New Textbook: Chinese Medical

> Herbology and

> Pharmacology

>

>

> I looked through the monographs. John Chen has

> not

> supported any herbal information with human

> studies.

> He illustrates has support with animal studies;

> such

> as, mice. This book in not complete. I

> understand

> the AMA is in an uproar concern John Chen because

> of

> his lack of proper sciencific support. As a

> result of

> John Chen's great marketing skill, his lack of

> human

> studies on herbal and drug interaction can have a

> negative impact of the TCM professional. The

> professional cannot afford a step backwards.

>

> David

> --- < wrote:

> > Hi All,

> >

> > See: http://www.aompress.com/Product.htm for an

> > outline of a new CHM

> > textbook: " Chinese Medical Herbology and

> > Pharmacology " , by John K Chen

> > and Tina T Chen.

> >

> > It is a Hardcover book: 1336 pages, 670 herbs,

> 1150

> > illustrations Dimensions:

> > 7.75 x 11 " Price: $89.95 ISBN: 0-9740635-0-9

> >

> > The Webpage has 13 free monographs in pdf

> format.

> > The discussion and

> > technical details (including herb-drug

> interactions)

> > in these monographs are

> > stunning. How I wish that there were textbooks

> of

> > this quality available in digital

> > form for easy searching, editing and data

> > manipulation!

> >

> > IMO, this textbook is a " must buy " for serious

> TCM

> > herbalists. Take a look at

> > the Monographs:

> >

> > 1. Chai Hu (Radix Bupleuri)

> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/ChaiHu.pdf

> >

> > 2. Dan Shen (Radix Salviae Miltiorrhizae)

> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/DanShen.pdf

> >

> > 3. Dang Gui (Radicis Angelicae Sinensis)

> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/DangGui.pdf

> >

> > 4. Fu Zi (Radix Aconiti Lateralis Praeparata)

> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/FuZi.pdf

> >

> > 5. Gan Cao (Radix Glycyrrhizae)

> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/GanCao.pdf

> >

> > 6. Guan Ye Lian Qiao (Herba Hyperici)

> >

>

>

http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/GuanYeLianQiao.pdf

> >

> >

> > 7. Hong Qu (Monascus)

> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/HongQu.pdf

> >

> > 8. Huang Lian (Rhizoma Coptidis)

> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/HuangLian.pdf

> >

> > 9. Huang Qi (Radix Astragali)

> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/HuangQi.pdf

> >

> > 10. Ling Zhi (Ganoderma)

> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/LingZhi.pdf

> >

> > 11. Ma Huang (Herba Ephedrae)

> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/MaHuang.pdf

> >

> > 12. Ren Shen (Radix Ginseng)

> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/RenShen.pdf

> >

> > 13. Wu Wei Zi (Fructus Schisandrae Chinensis)

> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/WuWeiZi.pdf

> >

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Email: <

> >

> > WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount

> Ave.,

> > Dublin 4, Ireland

> > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic:

> > 0]

> >

> > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

> > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic:

> > 0]

> > WWW :

> > http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm

> >

>

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David Razo seems to be seeking perfection in an imperfect world. Worldwide, there are dozens of 'conventional' medical products (i.e. products designed, produced and marketed by international pharmaceuticals) on the market that are OK'd by national screening agencies on nothing more than the 'say so' of one or two studies that are incomplete, untimely and inappropriate for the target population. How many times have we heard of this or that drug being withdrawn after a few years usage and the emergence of dire side effects ?

 

When I said > Your implication that the (John Chen) animal studies are in isolation is completely unfounded surely !

 

I had hoped it was evident that TCM herbals have been engaged in an ongoing 'proving process' for thousands of years. Surely this is implicit in any technical work based on herbal medicine and having its history and intellectual roots in TCM? It is an assumption and precondition for the material presentation of the technical data I would compare to an engineering book describing flight: the principle of uplift and the equations thereof are based on the assumption of a surface possessed by a three dimensional body travelling through the air under the perpetual influence of gravity. The author does not repeatedly engrave on each page the value of 'g' the gravitational constant, although it is assumed throughout that 'g' is understood to be present everywhere and is manifested by the expression for downward thrust 'mg' (mass of body times gravitational acceleration introduced by Sir Isaac Newton 300 years ago). The same assumption must also apply for any learned work on herbal medicine: the author must assume some background knowledge by the reader, and assume that the work of previous authors on the the subject is taken into account. Without this the the author is tied to forever convincing the reader of basic principles, and would never actually cover the subject matter. To uncritically insist on repeating this background information is really a stalling tactic that will stifle the author and prevent his work from being criticised on its true merit. Most unfair !

 

The emerging notion of a methodology that has more to it than the simple time and subject limited studies which take place for a year or two on a few hundred people - which typically characterise so-called 'scientific studies' - must be taken on board by clinical scientists. TCM human studies are different by nature and have not been adequately classified in the west http://www.supplementquality.com/benefits/evidence.html but nevertheless span millennia and a vast population base that no western scientific study could home to emulate, literally in a thousand years !

 

The use of animal studies to complement the praxis of TCM is a relatively new application by TCM practitioners to satisfy the insatiable demand by clinical science for ever increasing amounts of data. However, to argue this is incomplete without human data, and to insist that human based evidence be presented 'up front' in the context of TCM with its vast history and intellectual tradition is a kind of trick, which I feel justified in calling " FOUL ! ".

 

Let's get reasonable about what TCM can do in terms of the (often unfair) demands imposed on it by western clinical science, and enjoy the newly translated and reworked TCM texts that are emerging in the English language. Going back to my analogy from the physical sciences (which are really streets ahead of the clinical sciences): If Sir Isaac Newton had insisted on finding statistical proof of the Law of Gravity someone to this day would still be standing under the apple tree in his garden counting the apples as they left the tree and duly noting in a 'table of data' whether the said apple traversed in an upward or a downward direction. As a result all scientific attention would have been focussed on a vast (and utterly useless) database on the motion of falling apples, and no work would have been done on flight. How disappointing that would have been for the millions of people who have travelled by air to a different country to share their knowledge and experience !

 

Cheers,

 

Sammy.

 

 

 

 

 

David Razo [ozar14]06 November 2003 07:37Chinese Medicine Subject: RE: New Textbook: Chinese Medical Herbology and PharmacologySammy, what was derogatory in what i said ? Let'sremember John Chen is a scientist. If he is going topublish a text book on the science of druginteractions then he should be responsible enough tointregate human studies that illustrate the effects ofchinese herbs and western medicine on the human body. That's fair isn't it? That is way his book it is notcomplete.David--- ga.bates wrote:> Are not the 'animal studies' you mention in a rather> derogatory manner in> addition to the traditional knowledge of these> herbs? You implication that> the animal studies are in isolation is completely> unfounded surely ! Sammy.> > David Razo [ozar14]> 05 November 2003 14:57> Chinese Medicine > Re: New Textbook: Chinese Medical> Herbology and> Pharmacology> > > I looked through the monographs. John Chen has> not> supported any herbal information with human> studies.> He illustrates has support with animal studies;> such> as, mice. This book in not complete. I> understand> the AMA is in an uproar concern John Chen because> of> his lack of proper sciencific support. As a> result of> John Chen's great marketing skill, his lack of> human> studies on herbal and drug interaction can have a> negative impact of the TCM professional. The> professional cannot afford a step backwards.> > David> --- < wrote:> > Hi All,> >> > See: http://www.aompress.com/Product.htm for an> > outline of a new CHM> > textbook: "Chinese Medical Herbology and> > Pharmacology", by John K Chen> > and Tina T Chen.> >> > It is a Hardcover book: 1336 pages, 670 herbs,> 1150> > illustrations Dimensions:> > 7.75 x 11" Price: $89.95 ISBN: 0-9740635-0-9> >> > The Webpage has 13 free monographs in pdf> format.> > The discussion and> > technical details (including herb-drug> interactions)> > in these monographs are> > stunning. How I wish that there were textbooks> of> > this quality available in digital> > form for easy searching, editing and data> > manipulation!> >> > IMO, this textbook is a "must buy" for serious> TCM> > herbalists. Take a look at> > the Monographs:> >> > 1. Chai Hu (Radix Bupleuri)> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/ChaiHu.pdf> >> > 2. Dan Shen (Radix Salviae Miltiorrhizae)> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/DanShen.pdf> >> > 3. Dang Gui (Radicis Angelicae Sinensis)> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/DangGui.pdf> >> > 4. Fu Zi (Radix Aconiti Lateralis Praeparata)> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/FuZi.pdf> >> > 5. Gan Cao (Radix Glycyrrhizae)> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/GanCao.pdf> >> > 6. Guan Ye Lian Qiao (Herba Hyperici)> >> >http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/GuanYeLianQiao.pdf> >> >> > 7. Hong Qu (Monascus)> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/HongQu.pdf> >> > 8. Huang Lian (Rhizoma Coptidis)> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/HuangLian.pdf> >> > 9. Huang Qi (Radix Astragali)> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/HuangQi.pdf> >> > 10. Ling Zhi (Ganoderma)> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/LingZhi.pdf> >> > 11. Ma Huang (Herba Ephedrae)> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/MaHuang.pdf> >> > 12. Ren Shen (Radix Ginseng)> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/RenShen.pdf> >> > 13. Wu Wei Zi (Fructus Schisandrae Chinensis)> > http://www.aompress.com/SingleHerb/WuWeiZi.pdf> >> >> > Best regards,> > > > Email: <> >> > WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount> Ave.,> > Dublin 4, Ireland> > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic:> > 0]> >> > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland> > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic:> > 0]> > WWW :> > http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm> >> > > > > Protect your identity with Mail> AddressGuard> http://antispam./whatsnewfree> >