DHEA 1000-2000 mg huge mistake -=- was RE: Prostate cancer

[Guest guest]

> Surely that is a huge mistake?

 

Yes Phil it would be if you attempted to translate the results from animal

results to humans.

 

On the other hand if DHEA is taken in the amounts commercially available at

the recommended dose 25 - 50 mg per day then no effect will be noticed.

 

Rather than spend money on useless and potentially dangerous supplements

maybe take a look at one's diet and see how nutritional intake can influence

the production of sex steroids.

 

What is yous basic biochemistry like ? Shall I upload some stuff on sex

steroid synthesis ?

 

Sammy.

 

 

 

[]

09 October 2003 12:37

Chinese Medicine

RE: Prostate cancer

 

 

Hi Sammy

 

> Ann, In the studies have read DHEA has been given to animals in the

> ratio 1000-2000 mg per kg of body weight. How much do you weigh in

> kg (1 kg=2.2 lb) - let's say you weigh 50 kg , then you'd need at

> the least 50 x 1000 mg or 50, 000 mg. That's 1000 tabs as per below

> product description. Since a typical 50tab tub of DHEA tabs at 50

> mg per tab (=2500 mg) will set you back $20 a one day supply will

> be 20 tubs ( not tabs, TUBS) - now you work out how much a

> therapeutic dose of the stuff will cost you, over say 1 month which

> would be a minimun time to try it out. If there were no unwanted

> side effects you might want to stay on the stuff for a year at that

> dosage ;-) On the other hand you could try traditional TCM to

> improve your female hormone ratio. I know of women who have

> restarted their periods after a couple of months treatment. Sammy.

 

Sammy, can a dose of 1000-2000mg/kg BW be correct? This is 1-

2g/kg. For an 80kg person, this would be 80-160g/day.

 

Surely that is a huge mistake?

 

Best regards,

 

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/9/2003 10:18:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

ga.bates writes:

What is yous basic biochemistry like ? Shall I upload some stuff on sex

steroid synthesis ?

 

Sammy.

Yes, please Sammy. That would be great.

Thanks,

Chris

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sammy,

I have to say that i still cannot fathom your original post below regarding

such high doses of DHEA, which no one I have ever known has contemplated.

Could you give me a reference? Such high doses are, in fact, considered to

be potentially carcinogenic; low doses seem to be effective in raising

levels; the dose remains somewhat controversial -- ie., how low, what form.

But we're surely talking <50 in most cases, sometimes <10. Now, when you say

" commercially available " , I'm not sure what you mean, but here in the US

many use small doses with good effect. For such a commentary as you have

made, I think you should provide a current(ie. recent) reference, since your

view seems to be quite far afield from what is coming to be the acceptable

norm in nutriceutical science.

 

still curious in New York,

Ann

 

 

-

<ga.bates

<Chinese Medicine >

Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:11 AM

DHEA 1000-2000 mg huge mistake -=- was RE: Prostate cancer

 

 

>

> > Surely that is a huge mistake?

>

> Yes Phil it would be if you attempted to translate the results from animal

> results to humans.

>

> On the other hand if DHEA is taken in the amounts commercially available

at

> the recommended dose 25 - 50 mg per day then no effect will be noticed.

>

> Rather than spend money on useless and potentially dangerous supplements

> maybe take a look at one's diet and see how nutritional intake can

influence

> the production of sex steroids.

>

> What is yous basic biochemistry like ? Shall I upload some stuff on sex

> steroid synthesis ?

>

> Sammy.

>

>

>

> []

> 09 October 2003 12:37

> Chinese Medicine

> RE: Prostate cancer

>

>

> Hi Sammy

>

> > Ann, In the studies have read DHEA has been given to animals in the

> > ratio 1000-2000 mg per kg of body weight. How much do you weigh in

> > kg (1 kg=2.2 lb) - let's say you weigh 50 kg , then you'd need at

> > the least 50 x 1000 mg or 50, 000 mg. That's 1000 tabs as per below

> > product description. Since a typical 50tab tub of DHEA tabs at 50

> > mg per tab (=2500 mg) will set you back $20 a one day supply will

> > be 20 tubs ( not tabs, TUBS) - now you work out how much a

> > therapeutic dose of the stuff will cost you, over say 1 month which

> > would be a minimun time to try it out. If there were no unwanted

> > side effects you might want to stay on the stuff for a year at that

> > dosage ;-) On the other hand you could try traditional TCM to

> > improve your female hormone ratio. I know of women who have

> > restarted their periods after a couple of months treatment. Sammy.

>

> Sammy, can a dose of 1000-2000mg/kg BW be correct? This is 1-

> 2g/kg. For an 80kg person, this would be 80-160g/day.

>

> Surely that is a huge mistake?

>

> Best regards,

>

> Email: <

>

[Guest guest]

I recall reading a paper to that effect when I was browsing a publication by

the NYAcSci at the university library. The NYAcSci cover many subjects as

you probably know, and this was one they did on DHEA a few years back. Next

time I go to the library I'll photocopy the page, bring it home and scan it

into my computer. Then I'll send it to you. How about that for service ;-)

 

I also recall the general drift of the papers in the book was that 50 mgDHEA

was of no use to men as if anything it tended to raise estrogen levels

(although changes in the study group did not reach levels of significance).

I think that started of the thread didn't it .. ? You asked me if I had

tried DHEA to increase testosterone and I said no, the low doses are pretty

useless and the high doses would be a huge mistake as there have only been

animals studies.

 

How is your pet snake ?

 

Sammy.

snakeoil.works [snakeoil.works]

14 October 2003 19:28

Chinese Medicine

Re: DHEA 1000-2000 mg huge mistake -=- was RE: Prostate

cancer

 

 

Sammy,

I have to say that i still cannot fathom your original post below

regarding

such high doses of DHEA, which no one I have ever known has contemplated.

Could you give me a reference? Such high doses are, in fact, considered to

be potentially carcinogenic; low doses seem to be effective in raising

levels; the dose remains somewhat controversial -- ie., how low, what

form.

But we're surely talking <50 in most cases, sometimes <10. Now, when you

say

" commercially available " , I'm not sure what you mean, but here in the US

many use small doses with good effect. For such a commentary as you have

made, I think you should provide a current(ie. recent) reference, since

your

view seems to be quite far afield from what is coming to be the acceptable

norm in nutriceutical science.

 

still curious in New York,

Ann

 

 

-

<ga.bates

<Chinese Medicine >

Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:11 AM

DHEA 1000-2000 mg huge mistake -=- was RE: Prostate cancer

 

 

>

> > Surely that is a huge mistake?

>

> Yes Phil it would be if you attempted to translate the results from

animal

> results to humans.

>

> On the other hand if DHEA is taken in the amounts commercially available

at

> the recommended dose 25 - 50 mg per day then no effect will be noticed.

>

> Rather than spend money on useless and potentially dangerous supplements

> maybe take a look at one's diet and see how nutritional intake can

influence

> the production of sex steroids.

>

> What is yous basic biochemistry like ? Shall I upload some stuff on sex

> steroid synthesis ?

>

> Sammy.

>

>

>

> []

> 09 October 2003 12:37

> Chinese Medicine

> RE: Prostate cancer

>

>

> Hi Sammy

>

> > Ann, In the studies have read DHEA has been given to animals in the

> > ratio 1000-2000 mg per kg of body weight. How much do you weigh in

> > kg (1 kg=2.2 lb) - let's say you weigh 50 kg , then you'd need at

> > the least 50 x 1000 mg or 50, 000 mg. That's 1000 tabs as per below

> > product description. Since a typical 50tab tub of DHEA tabs at 50

> > mg per tab (=2500 mg) will set you back $20 a one day supply will

> > be 20 tubs ( not tabs, TUBS) - now you work out how much a

> > therapeutic dose of the stuff will cost you, over say 1 month which

> > would be a minimun time to try it out. If there were no unwanted

> > side effects you might want to stay on the stuff for a year at that

> > dosage ;-) On the other hand you could try traditional TCM to

> > improve your female hormone ratio. I know of women who have

> > restarted their periods after a couple of months treatment. Sammy.

>

> Sammy, can a dose of 1000-2000mg/kg BW be correct? This is 1-

> 2g/kg. For an 80kg person, this would be 80-160g/day.

>

> Surely that is a huge mistake?

>

> Best regards,

>

> Email: <

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sammy,

Well, i would certainly love to see the article (New York Academy of

Sciences?? Is that it?) Perhaps DHEA has been more recommended for women,

and i have just not been paying attention. But I'm still waiting with bated

breath(not baited breath) as the topic gets curiouser and curiouser. Indeed,

that would be just marvy service...for which I would be at a loss as to what

would be an appropriate tip.

 

[My erstwhile pet snake is long gone...happy hunting ground. As for the

green tree python that came in my window, it was given up for adoption -- no

follow-up information given by new " owner " .]

 

Ann

 

 

I recall reading a paper to that effect when I was browsing a publication by

the NYAcSci at the university library. The NYAcSci cover many subjects as

you probably know, and this was one they did on DHEA a few years back. Next

time I go to the library I'll photocopy the page, bring it home and scan it

into my computer. Then I'll send it to you. How about that for service ;-)

 

I also recall the general drift of the papers in the book was that 50 mgDHEA

was of no use to men as if anything it tended to raise estrogen levels

(although changes in the study group did not reach levels of significance).

I think that started of the thread didn't it .. ? You asked me if I had

tried DHEA to increase testosterone and I said no, the low doses are pretty

useless and the high doses would be a huge mistake as there have only been

animals studies.

 

How is your pet snake ?

 

Sammy.

snakeoil.works [snakeoil.works]

14 October 2003 19:28

Chinese Medicine

Re: DHEA 1000-2000 mg huge mistake -=- was RE: Prostate

cancer

 

 

Sammy,

I have to say that i still cannot fathom your original post below

regarding

such high doses of DHEA, which no one I have ever known has contemplated.

Could you give me a reference? Such high doses are, in fact, considered to

be potentially carcinogenic; low doses seem to be effective in raising

levels; the dose remains somewhat controversial -- ie., how low, what

form.

But we're surely talking <50 in most cases, sometimes <10. Now, when you

say

" commercially available " , I'm not sure what you mean, but here in the US

many use small doses with good effect. For such a commentary as you have

made, I think you should provide a current(ie. recent) reference, since

your

view seems to be quite far afield from what is coming to be the acceptable

norm in nutriceutical science.

 

still curious in New York,

Ann

 

 

-

<ga.bates

<Chinese Medicine >

Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:11 AM

DHEA 1000-2000 mg huge mistake -=- was RE: Prostate cancer

 

 

>

> > Surely that is a huge mistake?

>

> Yes Phil it would be if you attempted to translate the results from

animal

> results to humans.

>

> On the other hand if DHEA is taken in the amounts commercially available

at

> the recommended dose 25 - 50 mg per day then no effect will be noticed.

>

> Rather than spend money on useless and potentially dangerous supplements

> maybe take a look at one's diet and see how nutritional intake can

influence

> the production of sex steroids.

>

> What is yous basic biochemistry like ? Shall I upload some stuff on sex

> steroid synthesis ?

>

> Sammy.

>

>

>

> []

> 09 October 2003 12:37

> Chinese Medicine

> RE: Prostate cancer

>

>

> Hi Sammy

>

> > Ann, In the studies have read DHEA has been given to animals in the

> > ratio 1000-2000 mg per kg of body weight. How much do you weigh in

> > kg (1 kg=2.2 lb) - let's say you weigh 50 kg , then you'd need at

> > the least 50 x 1000 mg or 50, 000 mg. That's 1000 tabs as per below

> > product description. Since a typical 50tab tub of DHEA tabs at 50

> > mg per tab (=2500 mg) will set you back $20 a one day supply will

> > be 20 tubs ( not tabs, TUBS) - now you work out how much a

> > therapeutic dose of the stuff will cost you, over say 1 month which

> > would be a minimun time to try it out. If there were no unwanted

> > side effects you might want to stay on the stuff for a year at that

> > dosage ;-) On the other hand you could try traditional TCM to

> > improve your female hormone ratio. I know of women who have

> > restarted their periods after a couple of months treatment. Sammy.

>

> Sammy, can a dose of 1000-2000mg/kg BW be correct? This is 1-

> 2g/kg. For an 80kg person, this would be 80-160g/day.

>

> Surely that is a huge mistake?

>

> Best regards,

>

> Email: <

>

[Guest guest]

> Perhaps DHEA has been more recommended for women,

 

I think so, but there is still a market for men who are willing to take a

chance. The LEF advice is good regarding arimidex. I'd add to that as much

physical exercise as you can COMFORTABLY manage to raise hormone levels.

 

Sammy.

 

 

snakeoil.works [snakeoil.works]

14 October 2003 22:50

Chinese Medicine

Re: DHEA 1000-2000 mg huge mistake -=- was RE: Prostate

cancer

 

 

Sammy,

Well, i would certainly love to see the article (New York Academy of

Sciences?? Is that it?) Perhaps DHEA has been more recommended for women,

and i have just not been paying attention. But I'm still waiting with

bated

breath(not baited breath) as the topic gets curiouser and curiouser.

Indeed,

that would be just marvy service...for which I would be at a loss as to

what

would be an appropriate tip.

 

[My erstwhile pet snake is long gone...happy hunting ground. As for the

green tree python that came in my window, it was given up for adoption --

no

follow-up information given by new " owner " .]

 

Ann

 

 

I recall reading a paper to that effect when I was browsing a publication

by

the NYAcSci at the university library. The NYAcSci cover many subjects as

you probably know, and this was one they did on DHEA a few years back.

Next

time I go to the library I'll photocopy the page, bring it home and scan

it

into my computer. Then I'll send it to you. How about that for service ;-)

 

I also recall the general drift of the papers in the book was that 50

mgDHEA

was of no use to men as if anything it tended to raise estrogen levels

(although changes in the study group did not reach levels of

significance).

I think that started of the thread didn't it .. ? You asked me if I had

tried DHEA to increase testosterone and I said no, the low doses are

pretty

useless and the high doses would be a huge mistake as there have only been

animals studies.

 

How is your pet snake ?

 

Sammy.

snakeoil.works

[snakeoil.works]

14 October 2003 19:28

Chinese Medicine

Re: DHEA 1000-2000 mg huge mistake -=- was RE: Prostate

cancer

 

 

Sammy,

I have to say that i still cannot fathom your original post below

regarding

such high doses of DHEA, which no one I have ever known has

contemplated.

Could you give me a reference? Such high doses are, in fact, considered

to

be potentially carcinogenic; low doses seem to be effective in raising

levels; the dose remains somewhat controversial -- ie., how low, what

form.

But we're surely talking <50 in most cases, sometimes <10. Now, when you

say

" commercially available " , I'm not sure what you mean, but here in the US

many use small doses with good effect. For such a commentary as you have

made, I think you should provide a current(ie. recent) reference, since

your

view seems to be quite far afield from what is coming to be the

acceptable

norm in nutriceutical science.

 

still curious in New York,

Ann

 

 

-

<ga.bates

<Chinese Medicine >

Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:11 AM

DHEA 1000-2000 mg huge mistake -=- was RE: Prostate

cancer

 

 

>

> > Surely that is a huge mistake?

>

> Yes Phil it would be if you attempted to translate the results from

animal

> results to humans.

>

> On the other hand if DHEA is taken in the amounts commercially

available

at

> the recommended dose 25 - 50 mg per day then no effect will be

noticed.

>

> Rather than spend money on useless and potentially dangerous

supplements

> maybe take a look at one's diet and see how nutritional intake can

influence

> the production of sex steroids.

>

> What is yous basic biochemistry like ? Shall I upload some stuff on

sex

> steroid synthesis ?

>

> Sammy.

>

>

>

> []

> 09 October 2003 12:37

> Chinese Medicine

> RE: Prostate cancer

>

>

> Hi Sammy

>

> > Ann, In the studies have read DHEA has been given to animals in the

> > ratio 1000-2000 mg per kg of body weight. How much do you weigh in

> > kg (1 kg=2.2 lb) - let's say you weigh 50 kg , then you'd need at

> > the least 50 x 1000 mg or 50, 000 mg. That's 1000 tabs as per below

> > product description. Since a typical 50tab tub of DHEA tabs at 50

> > mg per tab (=2500 mg) will set you back $20 a one day supply will

> > be 20 tubs ( not tabs, TUBS) - now you work out how much a

> > therapeutic dose of the stuff will cost you, over say 1 month which

> > would be a minimun time to try it out. If there were no unwanted

> > side effects you might want to stay on the stuff for a year at that

> > dosage ;-) On the other hand you could try traditional TCM to

> > improve your female hormone ratio. I know of women who have

> > restarted their periods after a couple of months treatment. Sammy.

>

> Sammy, can a dose of 1000-2000mg/kg BW be correct? This is 1-

> 2g/kg. For an 80kg person, this would be 80-160g/day.

>

> Surely that is a huge mistake?

>

> Best regards,

>

> Email: <

>