Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 The ancient Chinese reportedly viewed the tongue as the one place where we could *see* the condition of the body. Coat is an indicator of balance/imbalance. Therefore brushing the tongue just removes the evidence for the short term. I recommend Macioca's book on tongue diagnosis. Karen Holger Wendt wrote: > Why do you brush the tongue? > And for tongue diagnosis, never brush the tongue is my recommendation > Holger > > > Brushing the tongue-tongue diagnosis > > > > I've noticed a big difference between brushing my tongue and not > > brushing my tongue in relation to, of course, tongue diagnosis. > > > > My tongue goes from a thick white coating to hardly any. How much > > does brushing your tongue effect tongue diagnosis? Did the ancients > > take this into account or are we looking at tongue diagnosis from a > > modern view incorrectly? > > > > Attilio > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Cinical experience with BaGuaFa dictates a more detailed and different view. 1) It takes a much shorter time for the tongue coating (especially in the case of excess) to mist back-up from the stomach......... like less than 1 hour. 2) And more importantly....tongue signs ARE definitely altered by certain vector forces in the neck and upper back/shoulders. When Jake Fradtkin was in Miami earlier this year - he commented about this and I demonstrated that tongue signs are often false or misleading (at first) and can be cleared in less than 30 seconds. THEN one can see the real underlying tongue signs/condition. Obvious signs such as geographic tongue and other deficiency syndrome signs will not be affected - usually or by any great degree. So don't be mistaken by what you see (at first) AS the ACTUAL CONDITION.......UNLESS you have first removed the complicating forces which obscure the underlying conditions. Richard That's my point exactly. It removes the coating for about 24 hours. But during those 24 hours, the patient may visit their TCM doctor and the doctor will not be able to see the ture picture of the tongue. I take it that the ancients didn't brush their tongues and that modern tongues are now more cosmetic. If so, then the severity of syndromes is lessened by the removing of the coating. This will affect choice of treatment principles greatly, i.e. the choice of herbs to clear damp. Attilio Karen <tryfan@o...> wrote: > The ancient Chinese reportedly viewed the tongue as the one place where > we could *see* the condition of the body. Coat is an indicator of > balance/imbalance. Therefore brushing the tongue just removes the > evidence for the short term. I recommend Macioca's book on tongue diagnosis. > Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 That's my point exactly. It removes the coating for about 24 hours. But during those 24 hours, the patient may visit their TCM doctor and the doctor will not be able to see the ture picture of the tongue. I take it that the ancients didn't brush their tongues and that modern tongues are now more cosmetic. If so, then the severity of syndromes is lessened by the removing of the coating. This will affect choice of treatment principles greatly, i.e. the choice of herbs to clear damp. Attilio Karen <tryfan@o...> wrote: > The ancient Chinese reportedly viewed the tongue as the one place where > we could *see* the condition of the body. Coat is an indicator of > balance/imbalance. Therefore brushing the tongue just removes the > evidence for the short term. I recommend Macioca's book on tongue diagnosis. > Karen > > Holger Wendt wrote: > > > Why do you brush the tongue? > > And for tongue diagnosis, never brush the tongue is my recommendation > > Holger > > > > > Brushing the tongue-tongue diagnosis > > > > > > I've noticed a big difference between brushing my tongue and not > > > brushing my tongue in relation to, of course, tongue diagnosis. > > > > > > My tongue goes from a thick white coating to hardly any. How much > > > does brushing your tongue effect tongue diagnosis? Did the ancients > > > take this into account or are we looking at tongue diagnosis from a > > > modern view incorrectly? > > > > > > Attilio > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 In a message dated 10/9/2003 2:35:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tryfan writes: The ancient Chinese reportedly viewed the tongue as the one place where we could *see* the condition of the body. Coat is an indicator of balance/imbalance. Therefore brushing the tongue just removes the evidence for the short term. I recommend Macioca's book on tongue diagnosis. Karen Although brushing makes it difficult for the practitioner, the fir stores bunches of pathogens and it would be best for the patient if they would brush in between appointments. TTBOMK, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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