Prostate cancer

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Hi All, & Hi Gabrielle

 

Gabrielle wrote:

> Just a few words about PC treatments. In USA, androgen blockade is

> not called " chemical castration. " That's a very strong term.

 

It may be unpalatable/politically incorrect to call it that; but, IMO,

that is what it is!

 

> Certainly, the impotence caused by androgen blockade will be

> distressing to many men, but the Lupron shots are once a month I

> believe. I don't think the effects are permanent. Men tend to

> complain about hot flashes and mood fluctuations. If the PC is

> contained within the capsule and the man is a candidate for

> surgery, a " nerve-sparing " operation can be done if the tumor is

> not too large. I believe the incision is different -

> retro-peritoneal vs suprapubic, perhaps. Leaving the nerves will

> reduce the risk of impotence.

 

The outcome of prostate resection depends on the surgeon's skill

and patience. A woman surgeon in Finland told me that most of her

patients can function as men after her, but that the results of her

[male surgeon] colleagues are poor; most of their patients are

impotent afterwards.

 

My hair stands on end at the thought of insensitive surgery at the

hands of gung-ho butchers, especially if they have the shakes after

hard night on the town before they gown-up!

 

> I would think the blood movers combined with AP would be helpful

> to treat strictures which often cause urinary/sexual performance

> problems in these patients. Radiation causes less short term side

> effects, I think, but when there are side-effects they are more

> likely to persist. There may also be a greater chance of the rectum

> being affected, causing bowel problems. BTW, I'm not sure it's

> correct to say that BPH leads to prostate cancer, as it might be

> inferred that the tissue transforms into a malignancy. Uterine

> fibroids don't " turn into " sarcomas, and a swollen prostate doesn't

> [necessarily] turn malignant.

 

Who said that? IMO some BPHs may become malignant, esp

those not treated effectively at an early stage.

 

> I suppose it would be fair to say that the Qi-Xue Stasis present

> in both conditions sets up a fertile terrain. Gabrielle

 

And would it be fair to say that Phlegm & Damp Heat Descending

may also be involved, esp in PC? Are herbs that Dissolve Phlegm,

Clear Damp Heat, Reduce Swelling and Soften Hardness

indicated? Are Herbs that Guard Jing, or Build Jing indicated?

 

There are dozens of herbs in those Classes, but do we KNOW

(can we prove with good data) that they are effective in PC?

 

This thread aimed to elicit comment from experienced practitioners

as to EFFECTIVE alternatives to conventional " therapies " involving

surgical/chemical castration. With a few exceptions [sammy

especially], little of definitive value has emerged - either from the

TCM or CHA Lists - so far.

 

Maybe I was hoping for too much? Maybe we just do not have

sufficient data to be SURE whether or not AP & TCM are a really

effective alternative?

 

My Herb notes list MANY herbs that " are supposed " to be useful in

prostatitis/BPH [moreso than than in PC]. The list includes:

 

Pinyin Name \\\ Latin Name \\\ Common Name \\\ Main Herb Class

?? \\\ Agathosmae Betulinae \\\ Buchu \\\ ??

?? \\\ Eupatorii Purpurei Rx \\\ Gravel Rx \\\ ??

?? \\\ Hydrangeae Arborescentis Rz \\\ Hydrangea Rz \\\ ??

?? \\\ Tabebuiae Impeteginosae/Taheebo Cx \\\ Pau D'Arco \\\ ??

Bichengqie; (See: Douchijiang) \\\ Litseae Cubebae Fr; Cubebae

Litseae Fr; Piperis cubebae/Caudatae Fr \\\ Mountain Spicytree Fr;

Cubeba/Cubeb Pepper \\\ Warm Interior ~ Expel Cold

Cangzhu; Cangshu \\\ Atractylodis

Lanceae/Rubrae/Sinensis/Japonicae Rz \\\ Red Atractylodes,

Swordlike Atractylodes Rz, Chinese Atractylodes Rz, Atractylodes

Cangzhu Rz, Thistle \\\ Expel Damp ~Aromatic

Dahuang** \\\ Rhei Rx+Rz, Rhei Palmati/Tangutici/Officinalis Rx \\\

Rhubarb Rx+Rz \\\ Purge

Dongguaren; Dongguazi \\\ Benincasae Hispidae S \\\ Winter

Melon S, Chinese Waxgourd S, Benincasa S \\\ Aid Water/Drain

Damp~Reduce Swelling

Fuling**; Yunling; Baifuling; Fanglingkuai; (See: Fulingpi; Fushen)

\\\ Poriae Cocos Sclerotium \\\ Chinaroot, Indian Bread,

Tuckahoe/Poria/Hoelen Sclerotium \\\ Aid Water/Drain

Damp~Reduce Swelling

Gancao**; Tiaocao; (See: Zhigancao) \\\ Glycyrrhizae Rx,

Glycyrrhizae Uralensis/Glabrae/Glanduliferae/inflatae Rx \\\

Licorice Rx \\\ Build Qi

Guizhi**; Gui; (See: Rougui) \\\ Cinnamomi Cassiae Rml,

Loureiru?? Rml \\\ Cinnamon Twig/Cassia Twig \\\ Release

Surface~Expel Wind+Expel Cold; Warm Interior;

Hulofu; (See: Nanheshi) \\\ Dauci Carotae Hb \\\ Wild Carrot Aerial

Parts \\\ ??

Juchizonglan \\\ Serenoae Repentis/Serrulatae Fr \\\ Saw Palmetto

Berries \\\ ??

Mangxiao; (See: Yuanming) \\\ Mirabilitum Depuratum, Magnesium

Sulphuricum, Natrium Sulphuricum \\\ Mirabilite, Magnesium

Sulphate, Sodium Sulphate, Glauber's salt \\\ Purge

Manjingzi; (See: Huangjingzi; Mujingzi) \\\ Viticis Fr; Viticis

Agnicasti/Trifoliatae/Ovatae/Simplicifoliae Fr \\\ Chastetree Berries;

Shrub Chastetree Fr, Simpleleaf Shrub Chastetree Fr, Vitex Fr \\\

Release Surface~Expel Wind+Clear Heat

Mudanpi; Guadanpi \\\ Paeoniae Moutan Cx-Rx, Paeoniae

Suffruticosae Cx-Rx \\\ Tree Peony Cx-Rx, Moutan Cx, Peony Rx

Peelings \\\ Clear Heat+Clear Xue Heat

Muzei; Muzeicao; (See: Wenjingcao) \\\ Equiseti

Hiemalis/Arvensis/Japonici/Ramosissimi Hb \\\ Horsetail, Common

Scouring Rush Hb, Horsetail Sterile Hb, Shave Grass Hb \\\

Release Surface~Expel Wind+Clear Heat

Oumaogen \\\ Agropyronis Repens Hb \\\ Couch Grass \\\ ??

Shanyao**; Shanyaogan; Shuyu; Huaishanyao \\\ Dioscoreae

Oppositae/Quinquelobae/Batatas Rx/Rz/Tuber \\\ Common Yam

Rz/Winged Yam Rz, Chinese Wild Yam, Dioscorea Rx \\\ Build Qi

Shanzhuyu; Shanyurou; Shanzhurou; Zaopi \\\ Corni Officinalis

Fr/Arillus \\\ Common Macrocarpium Fr, Dogwood Fr, Cornus,

Asiatic Cornelian Cherry Fr \\\ Astringe/Guard

Jing+Antidiuretic+Antileucorrhoea; Tonic

Shengdihuang**; Shengdi**); Dihuang \\\ Rehmanniae Glutinosae

Rx Exsiccata/Recens; Rehmanniae Glutinosae Rx Recens,

?Epimedii Macranthi/Sagittati Rx Recens Exsiccatus \\\

Dried/Raw/Fresh Rehmannia Rx \\\ Clear Heat+Clear Xue Heat

Taoren \\\ Pruni Persicae/Davidianae S; ??Pernene S \\\ Peach S

Kernel; Persica \\\ Move Xue Stasis~Rectify Menstruation

Xianrenzhang; Xiantao \\\ Cactus opuntiae Caulis/Rz/Fr; Opuntiae

fici-

indicae,/vulgaris/decumanae/compressae/leucotrichae/streptacanth

ae/strictae Hb \\\ Opuntia cactus; Cholla Stem/Rz; Dragon Tongue,

Old Duck Tongue, Spirit Immortal Palm; Panini; Papipi; Prickly

Pear, Barbary Pear, Indian Pear; Aathikan; Cockineal; Nopal

(whole plant), Tuna (Fr) \\\ ??

Yiyiren; Yimiren; Yiren; Yimi; Miren; (See: Chaoyiyiren) \\\ Coicis

Lacrymaejobi S \\\ Coix S, Job’s Tears S; Chinese pearl barley \\\

Aid Water/Drain Damp~Reduce Swelling

Yumixu; Yumirui \\\ Zeae Maydis Stylus+Stigma \\\ Cornsilk; Corn

Stigma \\\ Aid Water/Drain Damp~Reduce Swelling

Zexie** \\\ Alismatis Orientalis/aquaticae/Plantaginis Rz \\\ Alisma

Tuber, Oriental Waterplantain Rz \\\ Aid Water/Drain

Damp~Reduce Swelling

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Also, there are dozens of Hbs listed as having anticancer effects

[but without the word prostate in their data], and that are said to

support chemotherapy/radiotherapy [enhance the kill of cancer

cells but minimise the adverse effects on healthy cells, esp bone

marrow, LV, KI and LU].

 

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In contrast, my notes list the following Hbs as contraindicated in

prostatitis/BPH/PC:

 

Pinyin Name \\\ Latin Name \\\ Common Name \\\ Main Herb Class

?? \\\ Pausinystalia Yohimbe \\\ Yohimbe \\\ ??

?? \\\ Turnerae Diffusae Fm \\\ Damiana Fm \\\ ??

Bajitian**; Bajirou; Baji \\\ Morindae Rx, Morindae Officinalis Rx,

Bacopae/Herpestis Monnierae Rx \\\ Morinda Rx, Bacopa Rx,

Herpestis Rx, Medicinal Indian Mulberry Rx \\\ Build Yang

Dianqiecao \\\ Atropae Belladonnae Cacumen+Fl; Belladonnae Hb

\\\ Belladonna Hb/Fl+Tops \\\ ??

Haima; (See: Hailong) \\\ Hippocampus Kelloggi \\\ Sea Horse \\\

Build Yang

Mahuang [banned??] \\\ Ephedrae Sinensis/Equisetina/Intermedia

Hb \\\ Ephedra Hb, Chinese Ephedra \\\ Release Surface~Expel

Wind+Expel Cold

Shechuangzi \\\ Cnidii/Selini Monnierii Fr/S, ??Ligustri Fr \\\

Common Cnidium Fr/S, Cnidium Fr/S, Selinum Fr/S \\\ Clear

Toxin, Insecticide, Astringe Damp+Ease Itch

Tufuling; (See: Baqian) \\\ Smilacis Officinalis/Glabrae/Sinensis

Rz/Rx \\\ Glabrous Greenbriar Rz, Sarsaparilla Chinaroot Rz,

Smooth Greenbrier Rx; Smilax \\\ Clear Heat Toxin

Yinyanghuo; Xianglingpi \\\ Epimedii

Grandiflori/Brevicorni/Sagittati/Pubescentis Hb, Epimedii

Macranthi/Wushanense/Koreani Hb \\\ Epimedium Hb \\\ Build

Yang

Ziheche [banned]; (See: Qidai; Kanqi) \\\ Hominis Placenta \\\

Human Placenta \\\ Build Yang

 

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If Sammy is right, should we be considering herbs that increase

testosterone? This seems to fly in the face of current " wisdom " , but

if he is right, it would turn the Tx of PC on its head.

 

 

 

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