Fatty Liver/horses.... & Detox Systems

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Hi Anand & Jackie & All,

 

Anand,

 

Anand wrote:

> i work with humans only. so not sure whether this holds treu for

> animals.One of the problems with hman tsting of livers is that the

> pathol;ogy tests of bilirubin, etc show the physiological

> functioning of the liver. the liver is said to be healthy when the

> tests are below a certain level. but what we are not told openly is

> that the LIVER TESTS ONLY SHOW ABOUT 30% OF LIVER FUNCTION. WHAT I

> HAVE BEEN INFORMED IS THAT WHEN THE LIVER IS DAMAGED 70% , ONLY

> THEN DOES THE TESTS SHOW HIGHER LEVELS. TILL THEN WE ARE UNDER AN

> ILLUSION THT THE TESTS ARE NORMAL & OUR LIVERS ARE NORMAL. hence

> very difficult to talk to drug, alcohol, addicts who show the test

> results as a good healthy liver. what does vet medicine have to

> say. i may have a guess & say the ssame holds true. anand

 

I am not an expert in clinical pathology, but I suspect that the

same holds true for animals; marked changes in blood profiles

probably occur later rather than sooner in liver pathology. That said,

the highest LV enzyme levels that we have ever seen in the lab

were from calves on ad-libitum feed. These calves were growing

very rapidly (circa 1.25 kg liveweight gain/d) and were apparently

very healthy.

 

I have a deep mistrust of clinical diagnosing problems based on

blood tests! Over the past 40 years, I have seen MANY seriously

abnormal blood profiles in whole groups of cattle [not just single

individuals] that were healthy by all the usual definitions of cattle

health. If lab results support a clinical suspicion, fair enough, but

clinical Dx should be based on the history and clinical findings. The

Lab can mislead clinicians very badly.

 

Jackie, I must decline your invitation to join the horse List. I get

>200 emails/day and MUST focus on other things.

 

In the next 10 days, I must prepare lectures for a Training Course

in Vet AP in Barcelona [Oct 18-19 next].

 

Next weekend will be the 1st Anniversary Mass for our dead son,

Killian. It will be a family celebration of his life.

 

So I will not be very active on the lists for a few weeks.

 

Just a few comments:

 

(1) Horses are WOOD creatures, very susceptible to WIND and LV

problems. Many of my AP Txs in horses are based on Building LV.

 

(2) although my herbal studies are progressing well, it will be some

years before I have the courage to use TCM herbs in practice.

 

That said, I believe that good LV Tonics [whether from TCM or

Ayurveda] have a very important role in equine medicine. These

apply not only in performance problems, lameness, muscle/sinew

problems etc, but also in MANY metabolic and blood problems in

horses.

 

3. Re hypothyroidism, Irish forage is grossly deficient in I for hgh-

yield cows. Our national advisory policy is to supplement COWS

routinely with 60mg I/head/d [in or on the feed] for 5 months [1

month prepartum and 4 months postpartum]. The I supplements

make a huge difference in calf survival, retained placenta incidence,

immunocompetence, cow fertility, etc.

 

Although my main trace-element research has been with cattle and

sheep, I suspect that horses get insufficient I supplements.

However, horses cannot handle as much I as cows. The MAXIMUM

advised for pregnant mares is 35mg I/day; some say that 25mg is

more than enough. More than that can cause thyrotoxicosis, with

stillborn foals, or birth of foals with toxic goitres.

 

Gotta go!

 

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>>Jackie, I must decline your invitation to join the horse List. I get

>200 emails/day and MUST focus on other things.

 

I understand......but I had to mention it again because you are such a rare

bird! It's sad that many vets seem to be either totally conventional, or

total flakes!

 

>>Just a few comments:

 

May I share them please?

 

>>>Although my main trace-element research has been with cattle and

sheep, I suspect that horses get insufficient I supplements.

 

Yes, I totally agree, this is our finding from clinical responses,

particularly with regard to Mg, Trace minerals (particularly Zn and Cu),

both Se and I in thyroid function, and anti-oxidents in general.

 

We begin at 150% of NRC, balance ratios to forage/diet analyses, and amend

according to clinical response, and the results are in some cases

remarkable.

 

'Normal' diets are nowhere near sufficient, and way too

dependant on non-structural carbs.

 

Jackie