Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Hi Sammy Ever thought in Five Element terms that each element actually consists of five elements? In that case this would translate as the person grieving his Physical world, which would be metal inside water. Betrayal can affect all the emotions, whether it is anger for what has happened, sadness, excessive pensiveness as a result, grief or fear. The thing is they all center around the central idea that " my world has betrayed me " . This idea lives in the " physicalness " that the water element / base chakra gives us. " Each chakra consists of many chakras " - " Each element contains the other elements " . Nope, I have not had a client with prostate problems yet. fred [Fred Albrecht] ga.bates [ga.bates] 09 October 2003 04:52 PM Chinese Medicine RE: prostate, injaculation question Nicely put Fred. The dog would probably experience urinary reflux through control of the urethra. I don't think " betrayal " sinks that deep, but it is a good theme alright. Maybe Fear of being beaten by its master if it wets the floor again, has a direct impact on the dog's Kidney essence. In my understanding Kidney is associated with the emotion of Fear whilst the Lung is associated with Grief. Since betrayal would probably translate into Grief easier than Fear I wonder if there is Lung restricting Kidney here ? If this were true it would be manifested by other objective signs and symptoms. Have you had a TCM diagnosis ? Sammy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Wow Interesting! Is that measureable in a study? Maybe? > RE: prostate, injaculation question > > Hi Sammy > > Eg, I'm from South Africa, and this relates nicely to the political changes > over the last couple of years before and since Mandela's presidency. > > " Betrayal " , in the sence of betrayal in my physical world. The world, my > environment, my community, the people I put my trust in, my belief system, > financial issues, etc I catagorize under " physical world " , ie that which > affects my external physical reality, how I relate to it, and keeps me > physical - the physicality stuff. From the chakra side this fits into the > base/root chakra (and all associated with it). From the five elements this > fits in the Water element, which has Kidney and Urinary Bladder its meridians, > major emotions of fear and willpower. Water element has a lot to do with sex, > jing, etc. > > Now if your world betrays you deeply, it rocks your foundations to the core, > right down to the base chakra. If the issue goes unresolved and you stay > stuck in that consciousness, then the consciousness moves down through your > energy body / levels until it eventually reaches the physical body, where it > then manifests as prostrate " some problem or the other. " > > What we have observed in the political arena is that before the abolishment of > apartheid it was found that most prostate problems occured under the black > population: their world was betraying them, e.g. Archbishop Desmond Tutu, a > major political activist had prostate cancer - I think Mandela had as well. > > After the abolishement of apartheid, a different sector of the population has > started to develope prostate problems. One of these groups were again in the > black population who thought that now that the goverment has changed things > will change for them as well. Empty (or unfounded) promises has now led them > to think that this new goverment who they voted in, is not delivering for > them, as " promised " -> prostate problems. Another group are the whites who > actively upheld apartheid. Since the political change, their view of the > world has now betrayed them, now many of them are developing prostate > problems. > > An earlier post mentioned that humans and dogs get problems. Would dogs feel > betrayed by their owners and develope prostate problems because of it? I > don't know. > > There are many forms of betrayal. How severely this affects the person, > depends from person to person, and for how long they hang on to that > consciousness. It's a bit difficult for me to explain. > > This sounds very simple, but it's an observation, and as yet I theory I can't > prove, just something me teacher keeps highlighting me us. > > > fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 > Nope, I have not had a client with prostate problems yet. Fred, I'd be interested to know about what treatments are available over there. Traditional I mean. How does Hypoxia rupea figure over there ? Cheers, Sammy. Fred Albrecht [Fred.Albrecht] 09 October 2003 16:13 Chinese Medicine RE: prostate, injaculation question Hi Sammy Ever thought in Five Element terms that each element actually consists of five elements? In that case this would translate as the person grieving his Physical world, which would be metal inside water. Betrayal can affect all the emotions, whether it is anger for what has happened, sadness, excessive pensiveness as a result, grief or fear. The thing is they all center around the central idea that " my world has betrayed me " . This idea lives in the " physicalness " that the water element / base chakra gives us. " Each chakra consists of many chakras " - " Each element contains the other elements " . Nope, I have not had a client with prostate problems yet. fred [Fred Albrecht] ga.bates [ga.bates] 09 October 2003 04:52 PM Chinese Medicine RE: prostate, injaculation question Nicely put Fred. The dog would probably experience urinary reflux through control of the urethra. I don't think " betrayal " sinks that deep, but it is a good theme alright. Maybe Fear of being beaten by its master if it wets the floor again, has a direct impact on the dog's Kidney essence. In my understanding Kidney is associated with the emotion of Fear whilst the Lung is associated with Grief. Since betrayal would probably translate into Grief easier than Fear I wonder if there is Lung restricting Kidney here ? If this were true it would be manifested by other objective signs and symptoms. Have you had a TCM diagnosis ? Sammy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 --- ga.bates wrote: > After reading your post I gave it some thought for a > day or two. It occurred > to me that it is a potentially dangerous practice > and as you say : > > > don't do this unless you kno what you're doing. > Reflux into the prostate could be a concern. Yes, but also shouldn't be if one learns the exercise correctly. Everything comes or does not according to proper or improper knowledge, which, again, si the catch. > Could it be that onanists who practice this are also > protected by virtue of > their isolation ? That's a good point. If we're going to do something like this, we should try to do it whole hog. These systems are made holistically. That means if we take one aspect only, we'll hurt ourselves. > I don't know the history of this > practice. Was it > developed in the monastaries. Not exactly. I think we could say there were the good guys and the bad guys, like in star wars. > What was the life > expectancy of those > practicing it compared to those who had ordinary > ejaculation or intercourse > ? Probably unanswerable questions. Interesting > nevertheless. Unanswerable in that there's really little proof to be found for anything. The tradition states that if you want to live a super-long life, or if you want to achieve really high states of physical being, these practices are the way. > (or energetic) considerations of CV1 - prostate > condition: CV1 stimulation > is indicated for drowning. Could CV1 be 'blocked' if > not stimulated after a > drowning incident and might this chronic blocking > cause stagnation in the > pelvis, impacting on later life in the form of > prostate disease ? Yes, I think everything is a little like that. Every moment in our life takes a certain toll on the body, wear and tear, if we don't repair things as they happen, over time we willhave a greater weakness than we needed to have had. Bye, Hugo ______________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://mail.messenger..co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 Interesting & enlightening response ! Thanks. Sammy Hugo Ramiro [subincor] 13 October 2003 14:57 Chinese Medicine RE: prostate, injaculation question --- ga.bates wrote: > After reading your post I gave it some thought for a > day or two. It occurred > to me that it is a potentially dangerous practice > and as you say : > > > don't do this unless you kno what you're doing. > Reflux into the prostate could be a concern. Yes, but also shouldn't be if one learns the exercise correctly. Everything comes or does not according to proper or improper knowledge, which, again, si the catch. > Could it be that onanists who practice this are also > protected by virtue of > their isolation ? That's a good point. If we're going to do something like this, we should try to do it whole hog. These systems are made holistically. That means if we take one aspect only, we'll hurt ourselves. > I don't know the history of this > practice. Was it > developed in the monastaries. Not exactly. I think we could say there were the good guys and the bad guys, like in star wars. > What was the life > expectancy of those > practicing it compared to those who had ordinary > ejaculation or intercourse > ? Probably unanswerable questions. Interesting > nevertheless. Unanswerable in that there's really little proof to be found for anything. The tradition states that if you want to live a super-long life, or if you want to achieve really high states of physical being, these practices are the way. > (or energetic) considerations of CV1 - prostate > condition: CV1 stimulation > is indicated for drowning. Could CV1 be 'blocked' if > not stimulated after a > drowning incident and might this chronic blocking > cause stagnation in the > pelvis, impacting on later life in the form of > prostate disease ? Yes, I think everything is a little like that. Every moment in our life takes a certain toll on the body, wear and tear, if we don't repair things as they happen, over time we willhave a greater weakness than we needed to have had. Bye, Hugo ______________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://mail.messenger..co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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