prostate, injaculation question

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Hi all wonderful people on the list

I am impressed with your knowledge about the prostate

 

Here is aquestion to y'all regarding semen and prostate:

 

Is injaculation affecting the probability of PC?

 

Dr. Stephen Chang writes in his book The Tao of Sexology that

 

" if one regularly examiones and massage the prostate and practice the Dear

Excercise, he might never have a prostate problem. " (p 63)

 

" After ejaculation, all of the Seven Glands are depleted, particularly the

sexual glands.According to Taoism, if you go in this direction - moving the

energy down through the Seven Glands and out of the body through ejaculation

- you are moving in the direction of the human being, and all human beings

eventually die. In contrast, by going in the other direction- moving the

energy upward through the Seven Glands in the body-you can live an immortal

life, a Divine life. " (p.64)

 

and finally regarding injaculation:

" .... it (semen) remains in the prostate where it is absorbed into the

bloodstream and carried to the rest of the body ...... ...(energizing the

Seven Glands) .....further benefits the body by providing energy and

nutrients to energize the entire body, by lubricating the skin and joints,

and by lubricating and coating the nerves to prevent disorders such as

multiple sclerosis. " (p.67)

 

I have practiced injaculation (pressing Ren 1) for a few years and I must

say that when I ejaculated before I felt wasted and could often have

symptoms of deficiency KI, such as a sore and weak lower back. Nowadays I

feel " energized " or at least not at all " spent " or " wasted " , and I never

have a sore back.

 

But my question is: anyone knows if this is affecting PC?

 

Best regards, Holger Wendt

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Injaculation sounds to me like a kind of reflux. Urinary reflux has been

postulated as a possible cause of PC. Perhaps there is a similarity here.

 

Presumably because reflux stresses and tears the tissue and enables the

release of prostate cell fragments into the body of the organ -

interepithelial tissue and fluid chambers promoting prostate cell growth in

the wrong place - and thence PSA into the blood. Urine reflux or ejaculatory

reflux could do this. [ The habit of 'holding ones beer' can't be a good

thing in this context. I recall as a young man I'd have three or four pints

of beer with my mates before going to the Gents. It is that kind of

education we were missing a generation ago. ]

 

Or does injaculation mean the suppression of the pumping action of the

prostate and pelvic muscles during orgasm? This would avoid physical stress

on the prostate and possibly result in a dry orgasm. Is it possible NOT to

have muscular contractions AND have an orgasm ? Sounds a bit strange to me

but then I am open to new ideas.

 

Someone else will have to respond to the REN1 comment because I haven't a

clue !

 

Cheers,

 

Sammy

 

[ Now a 1 pint man ;-]

Holger Wendt [holger.wendt]

04 October 2003 15:26

TCM

prostate, injaculation question

 

 

Hi all wonderful people on the list

I am impressed with your knowledge about the prostate

 

Here is aquestion to y'all regarding semen and prostate:

 

Is injaculation affecting the probability of PC?

 

Dr. Stephen Chang writes in his book The Tao of Sexology that

 

" if one regularly examiones and massage the prostate and practice the Dear

Excercise, he might never have a prostate problem. " (p 63)

 

" After ejaculation, all of the Seven Glands are depleted, particularly the

sexual glands.According to Taoism, if you go in this direction - moving

the

energy down through the Seven Glands and out of the body through

ejaculation

- you are moving in the direction of the human being, and all human beings

eventually die. In contrast, by going in the other direction- moving the

energy upward through the Seven Glands in the body-you can live an

immortal

life, a Divine life. " (p.64)

 

and finally regarding injaculation:

" .... it (semen) remains in the prostate where it is absorbed into the

bloodstream and carried to the rest of the body ...... ...(energizing the

Seven Glands) .....further benefits the body by providing energy and

nutrients to energize the entire body, by lubricating the skin and joints,

and by lubricating and coating the nerves to prevent disorders such as

multiple sclerosis. " (p.67)

 

I have practiced injaculation (pressing Ren 1) for a few years and I must

say that when I ejaculated before I felt wasted and could often have

symptoms of deficiency KI, such as a sore and weak lower back. Nowadays I

feel " energized " or at least not at all " spent " or " wasted " , and I never

have a sore back.

 

But my question is: anyone knows if this is affecting PC?

 

Best regards, Holger Wendt

 

 

[Guest guest]

Holger,

 

Excellent questions and comments.

 

Very complicated answer. Hold on.

 

I have been investigating the topic you

mention for several years now in the

context of assembling what is now

two separate books on Daoist sexual

alchemy. I've seen a lot of material in

various languages and talked with

folks who know varying amounts

about this subject.

 

I've studied and practice various

principles and methods of gong fu,

and as with all my comments, my

own experience influences my

observations and conclusions.

 

Perhaps that's something that " goes

without saying " but I say it in order

to emphasize something that cannot

be overemphasized with respect to

this whole subject.

 

It's a highly individual matter.

 

All people are quite unique in terms

of their potentials and capacities,

no matter what groups they belong

to. This applies to males and to their

sexual capacities in particular.

 

What is good and beneficial for one

is harmful for another. There are general

principles that can and should be applied,

but there are no hard and fast rules other

than that the general principles only have

pragmatic value when applied to individuals.

 

Semen retention is without question an

important element in Daoist sexual alchemy

for males. But I believe it has been wildly

misinterpreted, and since it is such an

oddity, become the fascination/fixation

point in the minds and unfortunately the

practices of many men.

 

It may or may not be injurious to some. I

have certainly spoken with men who have

practiced semen retention to the point of

developing various symptoms including

swollen prostate, uro-genital inflammation,

and other more generalized symptoms such

as general lethargy, along with sexual dysfunctions

of various description.

 

And I have spoken to men who report

results from this practice along the lines

that you have experienced.

 

The key, I believe, lies in something that

Sun Si Miao wrote over a thousand years

ago. Some should release and some should

retain. And all should moderate their behavior

according to their own circumstances and timing.

 

This, of course, means that people have to

know what is meant by " their own circumtances

and timing. "

 

What is important to pay attention to? How

do you know if you should retain or release?

 

How is it accomplished any way?

 

And why?

 

I believe some of the current highly idiosyncratic

interpretations of old texts flourish based upon

a misreading of one particular word by those

who have translated and interpreted ancient

sources. The word is jing1, which we translate

as both " essence " and " semen " .

 

So is there a difference between retaining

essence and retaining semen?

 

Can one retain essence and release semen?

 

Can one retain semen and still lose essence?

 

And just so the females don't tune out just

because all this seems to concern males

uniquely, another urgent question is,

 

" How does all of this affect, relate to and concern

women? "

 

I just posted something on the CHA list that

relates to this, so those who don't read that

list might want to hop over and check it out.

 

Hey, this is getting to be annoying.

 

Why are there two lists?

 

Ken

[Guest guest]

I believe you're causing stagnationin the PC...

 

With regards to ejaculation, many of the texts refer to a time when food was

more scarce. Back then, it was hard to restore the Jing, due to poor

nutrition.

 

With regards to your feeling wasted, perhaps youneed some Kidney tonics.

 

 

Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME

chusauli

 

See my webpages at: http://www.chusaulei.com

 

 

 

 

 

>Holger Wendt <holger.wendt

>Chinese Medicine

>TCM <Chinese Medicine >

> prostate, injaculation question

>Sat, 04 Oct 2003 16:26:13 +0200

>

>Hi all wonderful people on the list

>I am impressed with your knowledge about the prostate

>

>Here is aquestion to y'all regarding semen and prostate:

>

>Is injaculation affecting the probability of PC?

>

>Dr. Stephen Chang writes in his book The Tao of Sexology that

>

> " if one regularly examiones and massage the prostate and practice the Dear

>Excercise, he might never have a prostate problem. " (p 63)

>

> " After ejaculation, all of the Seven Glands are depleted, particularly the

>sexual glands.According to Taoism, if you go in this direction - moving the

>energy down through the Seven Glands and out of the body through

>ejaculation

>- you are moving in the direction of the human being, and all human beings

>eventually die. In contrast, by going in the other direction- moving the

>energy upward through the Seven Glands in the body-you can live an immortal

>life, a Divine life. " (p.64)

>

>and finally regarding injaculation:

> " .... it (semen) remains in the prostate where it is absorbed into the

>bloodstream and carried to the rest of the body ...... ...(energizing the

>Seven Glands) .....further benefits the body by providing energy and

>nutrients to energize the entire body, by lubricating the skin and joints,

>and by lubricating and coating the nerves to prevent disorders such as

>multiple sclerosis. " (p.67)

>

>I have practiced injaculation (pressing Ren 1) for a few years and I must

>say that when I ejaculated before I felt wasted and could often have

>symptoms of deficiency KI, such as a sore and weak lower back. Nowadays I

>feel " energized " or at least not at all " spent " or " wasted " , and I never

>have a sore back.

>

>But my question is: anyone knows if this is affecting PC?

>

>Best regards, Holger Wendt

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " ken " wrote:

> The key, I believe, lies in something that

> Sun Si Miao wrote over a thousand years

> ago. Some should release and some should

> retain. And all should moderate their behavior

> according to their own circumstances and timing.

>

> This, of course, means that people have to

> know what is meant by " their own circumtances

> and timing. "

 

 

 

You are correct in following Sun Si Miao's admonishment to

moderation. " Circumstances and timing " for an individual is easily

understandable from basic CM diagnosis.

 

 

Jim Ramholz

[Guest guest]

Jim,

 

>

>

> You are correct in following Sun Si Miao's admonishment to

> moderation. " Circumstances and timing " for an individual is easily

> understandable from basic CM diagnosis.

>

>

> Jim Ramholz

 

It's relatively easy to understand the principles,

agreed. But I find that the kind of self knowledge

that is implied here is far from easy. It takes

well informed and often well guided instruction

along with diligence and determination.

 

Gary Snyder framed the question in a

wonderful little poem called Bedrock

which I think is in the book called Turtle Island:

 

Why does it take so long to learn to love?

 

Ken

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " ken " wrote:

> It's relatively easy to understand the principles,

> agreed. But I find that the kind of self knowledge

> that is implied here is far from easy. It takes

> well informed and often well guided instruction

> along with diligence and determination. >>>

 

 

Ken:

 

Of course it does; I wouldn't have presumed otherwise. You're

talking about two different ways of knowing---one intellectual and

the other a change in being. I was offering a clinician's point of

view as to knowing the circumstances and timing.

 

 

Jim Ramholz

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/4/2003 7:15:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

subincor writes:

The second, in which one presses cv1 just prior to

ejaculation, diverts the ejaculate into the bladder,

where the essence is reabsorbed.

Hi Hugo,

 

I am curious as to what you are calling the essence " . The actual

ejaculate or an energy, or something else?

 

Thanks,

Chris

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Holger:

There are two commonly disseminated (hahaha)

techniques for the so-called 'injaculation': the first

one, which is dangerous to the prostate, is to squeeze

all the muscles on the abdominal floor just prior to

ejaculation. This technique does cause stagnation in

the prostate.

The second, in which one presses cv1 just prior to

ejaculation, diverts the ejaculate into the bladder,

where the essence is reabsorbed. This technique causes

no problem for the prostate.

Usual caveats appl: study from a qualified teacher.

 

Bye for now, hope that helps,

Hugo

 

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--- kenrose2008 <kenrose2008

Hi Ken and Holger. After reading Ken's answer, I find

his better, but I still do stand behind my answer with

a condition: You have to get a good teacher.

I've also found, in my experience, that everytime

someone has a problem with diet, herbs, qi gong or

exercise, it is because some part of the equation was

misunderstood, or the person purposely misapplied the

method (in order to get ahead faster, for example).

Both teachers whom I am learning from also state

this.

So what is to be done about this 'correct

understanding' versus the 'incorrect understanding'? I

really have no suggestions beyond, 1. understand that

you are taking a risk, 2. do your best to educate

yourself from variosu experienced sources (i.e. people

hwo have done it - both the successes and the

failures), 3. proceed slowly, carefully and without

anxiety, paying attention to your signs and symptoms,

and lastly 4. don't do anything like this if you have

strong imbalance. Fix the imbalance first.

 

Hope _that_ helps,

Hugo

 

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In a message dated 10/5/2003 2:11:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

subincor writes:

one of the most potent

hormones for memory function is,

Interesting. What is the hormone you are referencing?

 

Thanks,

Chris

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hugo,

 

Good advice. I agree with your emphasis on the

importance of having a good teacher. But I want

to note that good teachers are hard to come by.

 

I've been working on a book about Daoist sexual

alchemy for more than five years now, and one of

the things that I've come to realise is how relatively

small the cohort of souls is who have any real

experience with such matters.

 

I started a couple of years ago to do seminars

and workshops on the subject and have learned

a bit about where people are at on the subject

of sexuality, as it relates to themselves and to

their patients. One of things I focus on as a result

is definitions of basic terms and concepts.

 

What are we really talking about?

 

As someone in another message asked,

what do you really mean when you say

" essence " ?

 

And as people will often find themselves

studying and practicing without the benefit

of a teacher, the importance of really knowing

what the words mean and what the baic

concepts are looms even larger.

 

That's why I've continued to work to get

this book out, despite the obvious difficulties

of trying to research something that relatively

few people actually practice...

 

....for whatever reasons.

 

I suspect strongly that one of the basic reasons

is that folks generally don't grasp what is

meant and what they should be doing.

And if I read you correctly, that's just the

point that you were making.

 

So let's not overlook this important step

of rectifying the meanings as a prerequisite

to study and practice. Otherwise you're more

than taking a risk. You're jumping out of an

airplane with no parachute.

 

Ken

 

Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <

subincor> wrote:

> --- kenrose2008 <kenrose2008>

> Hi Ken and Holger. After reading Ken's answer, I find

> his better, but I still do stand behind my answer with

> a condition: You have to get a good teacher.

> I've also found, in my experience, that everytime

> someone has a problem with diet, herbs, qi gong or

> exercise, it is because some part of the equation was

> misunderstood, or the person purposely misapplied the

> method (in order to get ahead faster, for example).

> Both teachers whom I am learning from also state

> this.

> So what is to be done about this 'correct

> understanding' versus the 'incorrect understanding'? I

> really have no suggestions beyond, 1. understand that

> you are taking a risk, 2. do your best to educate

> yourself from variosu experienced sources (i.e. people

> hwo have done it - both the successes and the

> failures), 3. proceed slowly, carefully and without

> anxiety, paying attention to your signs and symptoms,

> and lastly 4. don't do anything like this if you have

> strong imbalance. Fix the imbalance first.

>

> Hope _that_ helps,

> Hugo

>

>

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> ejaculation, diverts the ejaculate into the bladder,

> where the essence is reabsorbed.

 

> Hi Hugo,

>

> I am curious as to what you are calling the

> essence " . The actual

> ejaculate or an energy, or something else?

 

Hi Chris:

 

Both and something else as well, I'm sure.

Really though, one can't separate them. We can take

different angles when we examine them, however, and we

will find that, for example, one of the most potent

hormones for memory function is, strangely enough

(actually not so strange), found in our ejaculate.

This hormone can be reabsorbed when the ejaculate is

redirected towards the bladder. Since the substance is

no longer being used by the sperm to remember who

their daddy is, is is naturally redirected by the body

to fulfill its function in the brain. Of course, we

can always use qigong and whatnot to refine natural

functions such as this one. A point which perhaps not

many realise - qigong is _always_ only a refined or

developed expression of natural function. Anything

else is dangerous.

Hope that answers your question.

 

Hugo

 

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> What is the hormone you are referencing?

 

I'd like to know the answer to that question as well!

 

My guess is the hormone is testosterone. This is the main male anabolic

hormone responsible for muscle, bone, brain, and other tissue growth and

repair. It is probably the fuel the sperms use to get them where they are

going in a fighting fit condition.

 

Testo is closely linked to memory and cognitive function, mood and affect

but it is an old wives tale that too much testosterone makes men aggressive.

Testosterone levels of a normal male have a 'feel good factor' help you

chill, and face adversity with equanimity. Reduced testosterone makes men

aggressive because their stress and pain tolerance levels are lowered: it

causes irritability, uncertainly and indecision, loss of confidence and

guilt feelings.

 

Yes it is testosterone all right !

 

So now there is another way to 'lose' testosterone - through ejaculation. I

hadn't considered that as a possible link up with PC until right now. Silly

me. The other main source of T loss is through aromatisation to estrogen via

adipose tissue and liver enzymes. I would not have thought that ejaculation

could reduce T levels significantly unless they were already lower than

normal for a man and there was some other disfunction going on as well to

interfere with natural recovery of testosterone levels after ejaculation.

 

Sammy.

 

 

Musiclear [Musiclear]

05 October 2003 19:31

Chinese Medicine

Re: prostate, injaculation question

 

 

In a message dated 10/5/2003 2:11:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

subincor writes:

one of the most potent

hormones for memory function is,

Interesting.

 

Thanks,

Chris

 

 

 

Hugo Ramiro [subincor]

05 October 2003 18:55

Chinese Medicine

Re: prostate, injaculation question

 

 

> ejaculation, diverts the ejaculate into the bladder,

> where the essence is reabsorbed.

 

> Hi Hugo,

>

> I am curious as to what you are calling the

> essence " . The actual

> ejaculate or an energy, or something else?

 

Hi Chris:

 

Both and something else as well, I'm sure.

Really though, one can't separate them. We can take

different angles when we examine them, however, and we

will find that, for example, one of the most potent

hormones for memory function is, strangely enough

(actually not so strange), found in our ejaculate.

This hormone can be reabsorbed when the ejaculate is

redirected towards the bladder. Since the substance is

no longer being used by the sperm to remember who

their daddy is, is is naturally redirected by the body

to fulfill its function in the brain. Of course, we

can always use qigong and whatnot to refine natural

functions such as this one. A point which perhaps not

many realise - qigong is _always_ only a refined or

developed expression of natural function. Anything

else is dangerous.

Hope that answers your question.

 

Hugo

 

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[Guest guest]

hi sammy,

i have been enjoying your mails with great interest.

now regarding testesterone levels - there was an

experiment doen with T levels in men & women. they

felt that the typical male aggression-spunkiness &

increased sexual drive were related to T levels. they

tried it with men & women.

women who have certain treatments have T treatment for

their health. sometimes they go higher than normal.

what was noticed was women behaved exactly like men -

they were aggressive in bed sexually, aggressive in

instinct, did not have the soft touch of the typucal

woman when it came to comforting, etc.

they decided to do a similar experiment with men &

gave them treatment to reduce T levels through

increase progesterone,etc.t the men became like women

- wimps, cried when someone shouted at them, they

became caring people & not so short & blunt that men

are known for, they were demure & more womanly.

so maybe that says it all.

T leves are imp for men & women.

chinese diagnosis does talk of hyperactivity &

spunkines when T levels are higher & more male

attributes, while when they are lowered after

masturvation or excess sex there is corelation of poor

memory, weakness, irritability, headaches, feeling

cold, etc a to list a few.

does this help & make any corelations.

anand

 

 

 

--- ga.bates wrote: >

> > What is the hormone you are referencing?

>

> I'd like to know the answer to that question as

> well!

>

> My guess is the hormone is testosterone. This is the

> main male anabolic

> hormone responsible for muscle, bone, brain, and

> other tissue growth and

> repair. It is probably the fuel the sperms use to

> get them where they are

> going in a fighting fit condition.

>

> Testo is closely linked to memory and cognitive

> function, mood and affect

> but it is an old wives tale that too much

> testosterone makes men aggressive.

> Testosterone levels of a normal male have a 'feel

> good factor' help you

> chill, and face adversity with equanimity. Reduced

> testosterone makes men

> aggressive because their stress and pain tolerance

> levels are lowered: it

> causes irritability, uncertainly and indecision,

> loss of confidence and

> guilt feelings.

>

> Yes it is testosterone all right !

>

> So now there is another way to 'lose' testosterone -

> through ejaculation. I

> hadn't considered that as a possible link up with PC

> until right now. Silly

> me. The other main source of T loss is through

> aromatisation to estrogen via

> adipose tissue and liver enzymes. I would not have

> thought that ejaculation

> could reduce T levels significantly unless they were

> already lower than

> normal for a man and there was some other

> disfunction going on as well to

> interfere with natural recovery of testosterone

> levels after ejaculation.

>

> Sammy.

>

>

> Musiclear [Musiclear]

> 05 October 2003 19:31

> Chinese Medicine

> Re: prostate, injaculation question

>

>

> In a message dated 10/5/2003 2:11:07 PM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> subincor writes:

> one of the most potent

> hormones for memory function is,

> Interesting.

>

> Thanks,

> Chris

>

>

>

> Hugo Ramiro [subincor]

> 05 October 2003 18:55

> Chinese Medicine

> Re: prostate, injaculation question

>

>

> > ejaculation, diverts the ejaculate into the

> bladder,

> > where the essence is reabsorbed.

>

> > Hi Hugo,

> >

> > I am curious as to what you are calling the

> > essence " . The actual

> > ejaculate or an energy, or something else?

>

> Hi Chris:

>

> Both and something else as well, I'm sure.

> Really though, one can't separate them. We can take

> different angles when we examine them, however, and

> we

> will find that, for example, one of the most potent

> hormones for memory function is, strangely enough

> (actually not so strange), found in our ejaculate.

> This hormone can be reabsorbed when the ejaculate is

> redirected towards the bladder. Since the substance

> is

> no longer being used by the sperm to remember who

> their daddy is, is is naturally redirected by the

> body

> to fulfill its function in the brain. Of course, we

> can always use qigong and whatnot to refine natural

> functions such as this one. A point which perhaps

> not

> many realise - qigong is _always_ only a refined or

> developed expression of natural function. Anything

> else is dangerous.

> Hope that answers your question.

>

> Hugo

>

>

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Hugo,

 

What are you teachers' lineage?

Would you care to share their name, on or offlist?

 

Regards,

 

Fernando

 

Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro

<subincor> wrote:

 

> I've also found, in my experience, that everytime

> someone has a problem with diet, herbs, qi gong or

> exercise, it is because some part of the equation was

> misunderstood, or the person purposely misapplied the

> method (in order to get ahead faster, for example).

> Both teachers whom I am learning from also state

> this.

Hugo

>

>

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Hi Alon,

 

Thanks for your comments. What you say is possible. People who undergo sex

change operations and who are heavily supplemented with their appropriate

sex hormone have changes that are more than skin deep. For sure. However,

from personal experience I can assure you that I am more not less aggressive

when I have a low testosterone count. Perhaps that is because I do not have

estrogen supplements to make up for the lost androgen - or perhaps that is

because my perceptions and expectations are different because I see the

problem differently than a person completely naive to PC. There are

different ways to see the changes described across a spectrum of

behavioural - sociological interpretations.

 

By analogy the brain-behaviour changes induced by hashish are legion and

clearly point to a social dimension: In North Africa where the name

assassin's originates, hashish (hashishin) was smoked before gangs went on

village raids (something they are still evidently doing). in Rome hashish

was mixed with wine to heighten the fun during those famous 'Roman orgies'.

In India hashish has been used as a gentle sacrament to initiate worship and

meditation. " You pays your money and you takes your choice " as Popeye used

to say ;-)

 

On another note - I'd be interested to learn of the technique mentioned

where jing is channelled into the bladder where it can be recycled. If it is

done incorrectly and causes prostatic fluid to reflux into the prostate by

mistake this could have serious consequences.

 

Specific technique description would be a help, particularly so for those

individuals who are low on Ki essence and who need to conserve jing and who

at the same time have instincts / urges / conjugal expectations that require

them to engage in sexual activity. TCM could provide us with a good move

forward here.

 

Anyone ?

 

Cheers,

 

Sammy.

anand bapat [acubapat]

05 October 2003 22:56

Chinese Medicine

RE: prostate, injaculation question

 

 

hi sammy,

i have been enjoying your mails with great interest.

now regarding testesterone levels - there was an

experiment doen with T levels in men & women. they

felt that the typical male aggression-spunkiness &

increased sexual drive were related to T levels. they

tried it with men & women.

women who have certain treatments have T treatment for

their health. sometimes they go higher than normal.

what was noticed was women behaved exactly like men -

they were aggressive in bed sexually, aggressive in

instinct, did not have the soft touch of the typucal

woman when it came to comforting, etc.

they decided to do a similar experiment with men &

gave them treatment to reduce T levels through

increase progesterone,etc.t the men became like women

- wimps, cried when someone shouted at them, they

became caring people & not so short & blunt that men

are known for, they were demure & more womanly.

so maybe that says it all.

T leves are imp for men & women.

chinese diagnosis does talk of hyperactivity &

spunkines when T levels are higher & more male

attributes, while when they are lowered after

masturvation or excess sex there is corelation of poor

memory, weakness, irritability, headaches, feeling

cold, etc a to list a few.

does this help & make any corelations.

anand

 

 

 

--- ga.bates wrote: >

> > What is the hormone you are referencing?

>

> I'd like to know the answer to that question as

> well!

>

> My guess is the hormone is testosterone. This is the

> main male anabolic

> hormone responsible for muscle, bone, brain, and

> other tissue growth and

> repair. It is probably the fuel the sperms use to

> get them where they are

> going in a fighting fit condition.

>

> Testo is closely linked to memory and cognitive

> function, mood and affect

> but it is an old wives tale that too much

> testosterone makes men aggressive.

> Testosterone levels of a normal male have a 'feel

> good factor' help you

> chill, and face adversity with equanimity. Reduced

> testosterone makes men

> aggressive because their stress and pain tolerance

> levels are lowered: it

> causes irritability, uncertainly and indecision,

> loss of confidence and

> guilt feelings.

>

> Yes it is testosterone all right !

>

> So now there is another way to 'lose' testosterone -

> through ejaculation. I

> hadn't considered that as a possible link up with PC

> until right now. Silly

> me. The other main source of T loss is through

> aromatisation to estrogen via

> adipose tissue and liver enzymes. I would not have

> thought that ejaculation

> could reduce T levels significantly unless they were

> already lower than

> normal for a man and there was some other

> disfunction going on as well to

> interfere with natural recovery of testosterone

> levels after ejaculation.

>

> Sammy.

>

>

> Musiclear [Musiclear]

> 05 October 2003 19:31

> Chinese Medicine

> Re: prostate, injaculation question

>

>

> In a message dated 10/5/2003 2:11:07 PM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> subincor writes:

> one of the most potent

> hormones for memory function is,

> Interesting.

>

> Thanks,

> Chris

>

>

>

> Hugo Ramiro [subincor]

> 05 October 2003 18:55

> Chinese Medicine

> Re: prostate, injaculation question

>

>

> > ejaculation, diverts the ejaculate into the

> bladder,

> > where the essence is reabsorbed.

>

> > Hi Hugo,

> >

> > I am curious as to what you are calling the

> > essence " . The actual

> > ejaculate or an energy, or something else?

>

> Hi Chris:

>

> Both and something else as well, I'm sure.

> Really though, one can't separate them. We can take

> different angles when we examine them, however, and

> we

> will find that, for example, one of the most potent

> hormones for memory function is, strangely enough

> (actually not so strange), found in our ejaculate.

> This hormone can be reabsorbed when the ejaculate is

> redirected towards the bladder. Since the substance

> is

> no longer being used by the sperm to remember who

> their daddy is, is is naturally redirected by the

> body

> to fulfill its function in the brain. Of course, we

> can always use qigong and whatnot to refine natural

> functions such as this one. A point which perhaps

> not

> many realise - qigong is _always_ only a refined or

> developed expression of natural function. Anything

> else is dangerous.

> Hope that answers your question.

>

> Hugo

>

>

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On another note - I'd be interested to learn of the technique mentioned

where jing is channelled into the bladder where it can be recycled. If it is

done incorrectly and causes prostatic fluid to reflux into the prostate by

mistake this could have serious consequences.

 

>>>>>the comments were not mine

alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi all/...

 

> On another note - I'd be interested to learn of the

> technique mentioned

> where jing is channelled into the bladder where it

> can be recycled. If it is

> done incorrectly and causes prostatic fluid to

> reflux into the prostate by

> mistake this could have serious consequences.

 

I will give some of that info here with a warning,

primarily to any who may not be CM professionals -

don't do this unless you kno what you're doing.

The basic technique is simple, pressure is applied

through CV1 with three fingers to seal off the urethra

just prior to contractions. The feeling should be

comfortable, if not, you are too close to the scrotum

o the anus. The resultant feeling of the ejaculation

should be EXACTLY THE SAME (except that nothing comes

out). If it is not, you may be subconsciously 'holding

it in'. One does not want to hold it in, because if

one does that, one seals the neck of the urethra at

the bladder, thereby forcing the ejaculate into the

prostate. If this happens, a fullness can be felt

inside (stagnation). Don't worry about it, but don't

do it again.

So remember, don't hold it in, even though we don't

want anything to leave the body. We _do_ want the

semen to leave the testicles, we _do_ want the rest of

the ejaculate to leave the prostate. We want all the

ejaculate to leave their origin and go to the bladder.

So stay relaxed, ejaculate normally, enjoy, and leave

the prostate alone!

Once this process is completed, don't urinate for at

least 30 minutes. It'd be better if you don't urinate

for 8 hours.

Don't do this whole process unless you have a strong

erection and a strong desire to ejaculate. Strong

erection equals good length, good heat, good girth and

good hardness. These are also good measures for kidney

and liver function. Strong desire (if you DON'T have

yin deficiency/hollow heat!!) means that your body is

strong enough and has built up maximum capacity, and

that it going to unload anyway (possibly during

sleep).

 

> Specific technique description would be a help,

> particularly so for those

> individuals who are low on Ki essence and who need

> to conserve jing and who

> at the same time have instincts / urges / conjugal

> expectations that require

> them to engage in sexual activity.

 

Maybe Ken could come up with a plan for the flowery

battlefield here eh?

 

Bye for now,

Hugo

 

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Hugo,

 

After reading your post I gave it some thought for a day or two. It occurred

to me that it is a potentially dangerous practice and as you say :

 

> don't do this unless you kno what you're doing.

 

Reflux into the prostate could be a concern. Dogs are the only creature

other than man who contract prostate cancer in significant numbers. A

connection is postulated through 'house trainining' shared by man and dog:

suppression of the urinary reflex and consequent urinary reflux into the

prostate causing cell damage and escape / ovewrgrowth in surrounding tissue.

 

[ For readers new to the list see my earlier post covering prostate cancer

starting thread 26 September 2003 The PROSTATE in TCM Anatomy ]

 

A recent study has shown that ejaculation / intercourse / masturbation is

negatively associated with PC. There are actually other studies that show a

link between sexual activity / number of sexual partners / virus infection

of the prostate and a link with PC.

 

Could it be that onanists who practice this are also protected by virtue of

their isolation ? I don't know the history of this practice. Was it

developed in the monastaries. What was the life expectancy of those

practicing it compared to those who had ordinary ejaculation or intercourse

? Probably unanswerable questions. Interesting nevertheless.

 

All this is at the mechanistic level. Here is a question addressing subtle

(or energetic) considerations of CV1 - prostate condition: CV1 stimulation

is indicated for drowning. Could CV1 be 'blocked' if not stimulated after a

drowning incident and might this chronic blocking cause stagnation in the

pelvis, impacting on later life in the form of prostate disease ?

 

Sammy.

 

 

NewScientist.com newsletter, 17 July 2003

 

EDITOR'S CHOICE:

 

THE MIRACLE OF MASTURBATION

It's official – masturbation is good for you. New research indicates

that the more often men ejaculate between the ages of 20 and 50, the

less likely they are to develop prostate cancer. The greatest

protective effect comes in a man’s twenties – those who ejaculated

more than five times a week were a third less likely to develop

aggressive prostate cancer later in life. One possible explanation

for the effect is that frequent ejaculation flushes carcinogens from

the prostate gland… MORE

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993942

 

 

 

Hugo Ramiro [subincor]

06 October 2003 16:01

Chinese Medicine

RE: prostate, injaculation question

 

 

Hi all/...

 

> On another note - I'd be interested to learn of the

> technique mentioned

> where jing is channelled into the bladder where it

> can be recycled. If it is

> done incorrectly and causes prostatic fluid to

> reflux into the prostate by

> mistake this could have serious consequences.

 

I will give some of that info here with a warning,

primarily to any who may not be CM professionals -

don't do this unless you kno what you're doing.

The basic technique is simple, pressure is applied

through CV1 with three fingers to seal off the urethra

just prior to contractions. The feeling should be

comfortable, if not, you are too close to the scrotum

o the anus. The resultant feeling of the ejaculation

should be EXACTLY THE SAME (except that nothing comes

out). If it is not, you may be subconsciously 'holding

it in'. One does not want to hold it in, because if

one does that, one seals the neck of the urethra at

the bladder, thereby forcing the ejaculate into the

prostate. If this happens, a fullness can be felt

inside (stagnation). Don't worry about it, but don't

do it again.

So remember, don't hold it in, even though we don't

want anything to leave the body. We _do_ want the

semen to leave the testicles, we _do_ want the rest of

the ejaculate to leave the prostate. We want all the

ejaculate to leave their origin and go to the bladder.

So stay relaxed, ejaculate normally, enjoy, and leave

the prostate alone!

Once this process is completed, don't urinate for at

least 30 minutes. It'd be better if you don't urinate

for 8 hours.

Don't do this whole process unless you have a strong

erection and a strong desire to ejaculate. Strong

erection equals good length, good heat, good girth and

good hardness. These are also good measures for kidney

and liver function. Strong desire (if you DON'T have

yin deficiency/hollow heat!!) means that your body is

strong enough and has built up maximum capacity, and

that it going to unload anyway (possibly during

sleep).

 

> Specific technique description would be a help,

> particularly so for those

> individuals who are low on Ki essence and who need

> to conserve jing and who

> at the same time have instincts / urges / conjugal

> expectations that require

> them to engage in sexual activity.

 

Maybe Ken could come up with a plan for the flowery

battlefield here eh?

 

Bye for now,

Hugo

 

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Hi

 

I'm jumping into this thread a bit late.

 

Have you guys thought what the cause of prostrate problems are, even before it

hits the physical level? I've been taught that one needs to look at feelings of

betrayal, and off course tread very lightly on this subject. Any comments?

 

fred

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hmm .. interesting .. I see where you could be coming from.

 

Maybe expand a bit on how these " thoughts of betrayal " connect up at the

mechanistic level involving changes in hormonal mileau ? At the energetic

level involving blockages of meridians passing near to the prostate ?

 

Sammy.

 

 

 

Fred Albrecht [Fred.Albrecht]

09 October 2003 09:05

Chinese Medicine

RE: prostate, injaculation question

 

 

Hi

 

I'm jumping into this thread a bit late.

 

Have you guys thought what the cause of prostrate problems are, even before

it hits the physical level? I've been taught that one needs to look at

feelings of betrayal, and off course tread very lightly on this subject.

Any comments?

 

fred

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi All, & Hi Sammy,

 

Sammy wrote:

> NewScientist.com newsletter, 17 July 2003 EDITOR'S CHOICE: THE

> MIRACLE OF MASTURBATION It's official – masturbation is good for

> you. New research indicates that the more often men ejaculate

> between the ages of 20 and 50, the less likely they are to develop

> prostate cancer. The greatest protective effect comes in a man’s

> twenties – those who ejaculated more than five times a week were a

> third less likely to develop aggressive prostate cancer later in

> life. One possible explanation for the effect is that frequent

> ejaculation flushes carcinogens from the prostate gland… MORE

> http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993942

 

It appears that little is published on ejaculation frequency and PC.

 

A search of Medline for the profile [(emission OR ejaculat* OR

orgasm* OR onani* OR masturb*) AND (frequen* OR infreq* OR

celiba*) AND (carcinom* OR neoplas* OR cancer) AND prostat*]

yielded only 4 hits.

 

(1) Rotkin (1977) concluded that “if results continue to hold up with

increased sampling, limitation upon sexual activity at any time of

life may increase PC risk.”

 

(2) Giles et al (2003) concluded that “Ejaculatory frequency,

especially in early adult life, is negatively associated with the risk

of prostate cancer, and thus the molecular biological

consequences of suppressed or diminished ejaculation are worthy

of further research.”

 

(3) Du et al (1997) found that coitus >3 times/week in youth

(OR=3.38, 95% CI: 1.51-7.58) and frequent use of sexual drugs are

identified as risk factors of PC.

 

(4) Oishi et al (1990) concluded that marital status, fertility,

ejaculation, masturbation, nocturnal emission, contraceptive use,

and wife's episodes of sexually transmitted disease were not linked

to prostatic cancer risk.

 

Thus, we have a [well] hung jury (2 to 2) on the question. Mindful of

that, I had to cancel my WWW order for Viagra, J-Lube and satin

gloves!

 

Best regards,

Phil

 

PS. Maybe I’ll reconsider and go ahead with the purchase if

someone can prove that Du et al, and Oishi et al are androgen-

ablated fundamentalist, puritanical monks!

 

REFERENCES Du S, Shi L, Zhu W, Zhai F. | [Epidemiological

study on human prostate cancer in Wuhan City] [Article in

Chinese] | Wei Sheng Yan Jiu. 1997 Sep;26(5):356-9. Institute of

Nutrition and Food Hygiene, Chinese Academy of Preventive

Medicine, Beijing, China. | In America, Canada and many

European countries, prostate cancer is the most common cancer

and the second leading cause of cancer death in men. In China,

the morbidity rate and mortality rate of prostate cancer are

unknown. Based on the reports of Wuhan cancer surveillance in

1990-1992, this study researched the epidemiological characterics

of prostate cancer. The results showed that morbidity rate and

mortality rate in Wuhan city are 1.37 and 0.75 per 100,000

respectively, and the standardized morbidity rate and standardized

mortality rate are 1.10 and 0.66 per 100,000 respectively. They

also showed that history of urinary diseases (OR=5.42, 95%

confidence interval (CI): 1.56-18.83), children number with more

than 3 (OR=2.43, 95% CI: 1.17-5.02), coitus with more than 3

times per week in youth (OR=3.38, 95% CI: 1.51-7.58), frequent

use of sexual drugs (OR=4.12, 95% CI: 1.65-10.25) and high body

mass index (OR=2.58; 95% CI: 1.30-5.11) are identified as risk

factors of prostate cancer statistically, but physical labor

(OR=0.35, 95% CI: 0.17-0.71) and age of first nocturnal emission

after 18 years old (OR=0.20, 95% CI: 0.08-0.52) are protective

factors. PMID: 10325655 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

Giles GG, Severi G, English DR, McCredie MR, Borland R, Boyle

P, Hopper JL. | Sexual factors and prostate cancer. | BJU Int. 2003

Aug;92(3):211-6. Cancer Epidemiology Centre, and Centre for

Behavioural Research in Cancer, The Cancer Council Victoria,

Melbourne, Australia. Graham.Giles |

OBJECTIVE: To assess whether prostate cancer might be related

to hormone levels and, by inference, to differences in sexual

activity. PATIENTS, SUBJECTS AND METHODS: In a case-control

study of men with prostate cancer aged < 70 years at diagnosis

and age-matched control subjects, information was collected on

two aspects of sexual activity; the number of sexual partners and

the frequency of total ejaculations during the third to fifth decades

of life. RESULTS: There was no association of prostate cancer with

the number of sexual partners or with the maximum number of

ejaculations in 24 h. There was a negative trend (P < 0.01) for the

association between risk and number of ejaculations in the third

decade, independent of those in the fourth or fifth. Men who

averaged five or more ejaculations weekly in their 20s had an odds

ratio (95% confidence interval) of 0.66 (0.49-0.87) compared with

those who ejaculated less often. CONCLUSIONS: The null

association with the number of sexual partners argues against

infection as a cause of prostate cancer in this population.

Ejaculatory frequency, especially in early adult life, is negatively

associated with the risk of prostate cancer, and thus the molecular

biological consequences of suppressed or diminished ejaculation

are worthy of further research. PMID: 12887469 [PubMed - indexed

for MEDLINE]

 

Oishi K, Okada K, Yoshida O, Yamabe H, Ohno Y, Hayes RB,

Schroeder FH, Boyle P. | A case-control study of prostatic cancer

in Kyoto, Japan: sexual risk factors. | Prostate. 1990;17(4):269-79.

Department of Urology, Faculty of Medicine, Kyoto University,

Japan. | A case-control study on prostatic cancer was conducted

in Kyoto, Japan, from 1981-1984, including 100 patients with

prostatic cancer (PC) and age, hospital, and date-of-admission

matched controls of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) patients

and general hospital patients. Analysis of several sexual factors

obtained through a self-administered questionnaire revealed the

following observations: 1) cancer patients had fewer sex partners

before marriage (relative risk, RR=0.35; 95% confidence interval:

0.13-0.93) than the hospital controls; 2) they had more vigorous

sexual activities in the third (RR=2.89; 1.01-8.28) and fourth

decades of life (RR=2.26: 1.03-4.95) than hospital controls, but no

significantly different sexual activities from controls in other

decades; 3) they had less frequent orgasms (RR=2.55; 1.11-5.83)

than BPH controls or (RR=4.96: 1.78-13.9) hospital controls, and

sexual intercourse appeared to be less satisfactory (RR=2.08: 1.05-

4.13) than that of hospital controls; and 4) they had less frequent

episodes of sexually transmitted diseases (RR=0.36: 0.16-0.83)

than BPH controls. Marital status, fertility, ejaculation,

masturbation, nocturnal emission, contraceptive use, and wife's

episodes of sexually transmitted disease were not linked to

prostatic cancer risk. PMID: 2251222 [PubMed - indexed for

MEDLINE]

 

Rotkin ID. | Studies in the epidemiology of prostatic cancer:

expanded sampling. | Cancer Treat Rep. 1977 Mar-Apr;61(2):173-

80. | From comparisons of prostatic cancer patients with matched

control patients for selected risk variables, patients are

characterized by three main trends: (a) delayed sexual drive and

development, (b) early repression of sexuality, and © premature

cessation of sexuality. Excessive numbers of patients reported

occupational exposure to fertilizers and auto exhaust fumes. Diets

of the patients were higher in animal fats. No differences were

found between both groups for frequencies of multiple marriages or

sex partners, nor for stressful effects from selected events early or

late in life. Trends for circumcision and other variables are

presented. The data suggest that early differences are hormonally

conditioned, support a provisional endogenous rationale for

initiation of prostatic cancer, and oppose a hypothesis favoring

transmissible oncogenic agents. If results continue to hold up with

increased sampling, limitation upon sexual activity at any time of

life may increase risk. PMID: 68821 [PubMed - indexed for

MEDLINE]

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sammy

 

Eg, I'm from South Africa, and this relates nicely to the political changes over

the last couple of years before and since Mandela's presidency.

 

" Betrayal " , in the sence of betrayal in my physical world. The world, my

environment, my community, the people I put my trust in, my belief system,

financial issues, etc I catagorize under " physical world " , ie that which affects

my external physical reality, how I relate to it, and keeps me physical - the

physicality stuff. From the chakra side this fits into the base/root chakra

(and all associated with it). From the five elements this fits in the Water

element, which has Kidney and Urinary Bladder its meridians, major emotions of

fear and willpower. Water element has a lot to do with sex, jing, etc.

 

Now if your world betrays you deeply, it rocks your foundations to the core,

right down to the base chakra. If the issue goes unresolved and you stay stuck

in that consciousness, then the consciousness moves down through your energy

body / levels until it eventually reaches the physical body, where it then

manifests as prostrate " some problem or the other. "

 

What we have observed in the political arena is that before the abolishment of

apartheid it was found that most prostate problems occured under the black

population: their world was betraying them, e.g. Archbishop Desmond Tutu, a

major political activist had prostate cancer - I think Mandela had as well.

 

After the abolishement of apartheid, a different sector of the population has

started to develope prostate problems. One of these groups were again in the

black population who thought that now that the goverment has changed things will

change for them as well. Empty (or unfounded) promises has now led them to

think that this new goverment who they voted in, is not delivering for them, as

" promised " -> prostate problems. Another group are the whites who actively

upheld apartheid. Since the political change, their view of the world has now

betrayed them, now many of them are developing prostate problems.

 

An earlier post mentioned that humans and dogs get problems. Would dogs feel

betrayed by their owners and develope prostate problems because of it? I don't

know.

 

There are many forms of betrayal. How severely this affects the person, depends

from person to person, and for how long they hang on to that consciousness.

It's a bit difficult for me to explain.

 

This sounds very simple, but it's an observation, and as yet I theory I can't

prove, just something me teacher keeps highlighting me us.

 

fred

 

 

ga.bates [ga.bates]

09 October 2003 10:20 AM

Chinese Medicine

RE: prostate, injaculation question

 

 

 

 

Hmm .. interesting .. I see where you could be coming from.

 

Maybe expand a bit on how these " thoughts of betrayal " connect up at the

mechanistic level involving changes in hormonal mileau ? At the energetic

level involving blockages of meridians passing near to the prostate ?

 

Sammy.

 

 

 

Fred Albrecht [Fred.Albrecht]

09 October 2003 09:05

Chinese Medicine

RE: prostate, injaculation question

 

 

Hi

 

I'm jumping into this thread a bit late.

 

Have you guys thought what the cause of prostrate problems are, even before

it hits the physical level? I've been taught that one needs to look at

feelings of betrayal, and off course tread very lightly on this subject.

Any comments?

 

fred

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nicely put Fred.

 

The dog would probably experience urinary reflux through control of the

urethra. I don't think " betrayal " sinks that deep, but it is a good theme

alright. Maybe Fear of being beaten by its master if it wets the floor

again, has a direct impact on the dog's Kidney essence.

 

In my understanding Kidney is associated with the emotion of Fear whilst the

Lung is associated with Grief. Since betrayal would probably translate into

Grief easier than Fear I wonder if there is Lung restricting Kidney here ?

 

If this were true it would be manifested by other objective signs and

symptoms. Have you had a TCM diagnosis ?

 

Sammy.

Fred Albrecht [Fred.Albrecht]

09 October 2003 12:17

Chinese Medicine

RE: prostate, injaculation question

 

 

Hi Sammy

 

Eg, I'm from South Africa, and this relates nicely to the political

changes over the last couple of years before and since Mandela's presidency.

 

" Betrayal " , in the sence of betrayal in my physical world. The world, my

environment, my community, the people I put my trust in, my belief system,

financial issues, etc I catagorize under " physical world " , ie that which

affects my external physical reality, how I relate to it, and keeps me

physical - the physicality stuff. From the chakra side this fits into the

base/root chakra (and all associated with it). From the five elements this

fits in the Water element, which has Kidney and Urinary Bladder its

meridians, major emotions of fear and willpower. Water element has a lot to

do with sex, jing, etc.

 

Now if your world betrays you deeply, it rocks your foundations to the

core, right down to the base chakra. If the issue goes unresolved and you

stay stuck in that consciousness, then the consciousness moves down through

your energy body / levels until it eventually reaches the physical body,

where it then manifests as prostrate " some problem or the other. "

 

What we have observed in the political arena is that before the

abolishment of apartheid it was found that most prostate problems occured

under the black population: their world was betraying them, e.g. Archbishop

Desmond Tutu, a major political activist had prostate cancer - I think

Mandela had as well.

 

After the abolishement of apartheid, a different sector of the population

has started to develope prostate problems. One of these groups were again

in the black population who thought that now that the goverment has changed

things will change for them as well. Empty (or unfounded) promises has now

led them to think that this new goverment who they voted in, is not

delivering for them, as " promised " -> prostate problems. Another group are

the whites who actively upheld apartheid. Since the political change, their

view of the world has now betrayed them, now many of them are developing

prostate problems.

 

An earlier post mentioned that humans and dogs get problems. Would dogs

feel betrayed by their owners and develope prostate problems because of it?

I don't know.

 

There are many forms of betrayal. How severely this affects the person,

depends from person to person, and for how long they hang on to that

consciousness. It's a bit difficult for me to explain.

 

This sounds very simple, but it's an observation, and as yet I theory I

can't prove, just something me teacher keeps highlighting me us.

 

fred

 

ga.bates [ga.bates]

09 October 2003 10:20 AM

Chinese Medicine

RE: prostate, injaculation question

 

 

 

 

Hmm .. interesting .. I see where you could be coming from.

 

Maybe expand a bit on how these " thoughts of betrayal " connect up at the

mechanistic level involving changes in hormonal mileau ? At the energetic

level involving blockages of meridians passing near to the prostate ?

 

Sammy.

 

 

Fred Albrecht [Fred.Albrecht]

09 October 2003 09:05

Chinese Medicine

RE: prostate, injaculation question

 

 

Hi

 

I'm jumping into this thread a bit late.

 

Have you guys thought what the cause of prostrate problems are, even

before

it hits the physical level? I've been taught that one needs to look at

feelings of betrayal, and off course tread very lightly on this subject.

Any comments?

 

fred