Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 hi, a question for all ofyou. i have this riddle of apatient for the past few years. when the pt presented with gynaec problems, i found wind & cold. cold predominant. signs of cold as in feeling cold. i used moxa. duirnfg moxa use initially pt had shakes. after consistent moxa use for up to 45 minutes/session, patinet actually moved up in the air involuntarily, sitting up forcefully, giving abig sigh & falling back flat on her back in a fraction of a second. this was repetitive & happened a lot during session. i was scared, but pt was getting fantastic short term results. did not get long term results. waht could have been happening. what was the correct solution. has anyone else experienced anything like this. please help thanks anand --- acudoc11 wrote: > Yes, Sue - I posted that clinical experience. > > TRUE fibromyalgia is a systemic problem wherein the > muscles are > malnourished....dry....stringy....taut....impinging > nerves creating pain. That's why the 18 > locations are a test or 11 out of the 18 clearly > showing a systemic problem > in the musculature. > > Fibromyalgia is totally different that > myofascial/osteofascial pain syndromes > which are localized stagnation(s). > > I experienced early on, with the use of acupuncture > needles,...that a healthy > muscle is very soft and pliable once the acu needle > is inserted....like going > in and out of cotton or like butter....... BUT with > firbomyalgia....it feels > more like going in and out of leather. > > I listen to WM names for symptoms and then put them > aside becuase they are > usually incorrect or inaccurate. Such as calling > (PVD) peripheral vasular > disease describing a simply corrected nerve & > vascular stagnation (compression) in > one leg casuing numbness and tingling in that > isolated foot.. Or incorrectly > calling bone loss in only one hip as osteoporosis > or further when it is called > avascular necrosis coupled and osteoporosis for one > hip ........when in fact > it is often all due to fascial stagnation. > > Yes the pain has a different source. > > Myofascial pain is localized from qi, blood, and > other fluid (intersitial) - > stagnations. > > Gua Sha and Ba Guan can break up and lift these > stagnations which would be > are an excess and not directly connected to the > living tissue....whereas > fibromyalgia is a deficiency of the tissue(s) and > directly connected to the lack > thereof within that living tissue. > > With fibromyalgia......the tissues NEED very gentle > stretching with much > nutrition and not Gua Sha. In a key sense.....those > dry-stringly muscles do NOT > need any harsh methods to break up anything. > > I learned the hard way by experience. > > Richard > > In a recent post Richard (I think) stated that > using gua sha with > > fibromyalgia aggravated the pain without positive > outcome. I ahve > > been puzzling about this. Why is muscle pain > (defined by WM as > > fibromyalgia) different from the stagnation of > cold, qi and blood > > which responds so well to gua sha? does the pain > have a different > > source? why does acupuncture help fibromyalgia > pain and not gua sha? > > Any ideas would be welcomed > > Thanks > > Sue > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== Anand Bapat Pain Management Specialist Sports Injury Specialist Blacktown, Parramatta, Punchbowl, & Hammondville 0402 472 897 ______________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://mail.messenger..co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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