Guest guest Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 Emmanuel I forgot, how do you calculate basal rate Alon Hi Alon, As I clean up my email, I realize I had not answered this question. Assuming you have no expensive equipment in your office and don't which to go through elaborate laboratory procedures, you need to assess the patient as they sit or stand before you. It takes a bit of experimentation, but here is my general procedure. If it's not clear ask specific questions. For adults 18 years or older to about 50, I used factors which multiply the weight. For men, I multiply their weight times 9 for sedentary types and times 10 for active types. Thus a 150 lb. male has a caloric output of 1500 assuming he has an active life or exercise regime. It's only 1350 calories per day for sedentary types. The factors for females are 8 and 9 as they lack testosterone which plays a role in lean body mass and caloric output. For very aerobic athletes you may need to modify this factor. I am such an athlete yet I went from a 10 to a 9 after the age of 50. Aging happens. Once you assess the bmr caloric output you balance that with food caloric input and exercise caloric output. The final figure is zero for no gain or loss of body fat. If you want to lose weight, then you create a greater output value over the input value. As stated this take experimentation. You may need to use a 9.5 or an 8.5 if you see the person is not responding according to your numbers. I started gaining weight after 50, so I adjusted my bmr factor downward and lost the weight. All of this is a lot of work until you get used to calculating food calories and exercise calories. I've gotten myself to log this every day for the past 18 years or so, in order to make use of myself as a physiology lab. It may seem obsessive to some, but it's useful as a daily meditation. I remind my students that they have a physiology lab where ever they go ... their own bodies. Practitioners have a CM clinic where ever you go since you no doubt self treat with acupuncture and herbs. Emmanuel Segmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 HI, GOOD IDEA RE: WEIGHT GAIN OR LOSS. BUT IS WEIGHT DECIDED BY FOOD YOU EAT & ACTIVITY LEVEL YOU HAVE. I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE LOSE WEIGHT DUE TO REDUCED EATING & WILL STOP LOSING WT. AFETR A CERTAIN LEVEL INSPITE OF EATING LESS. SIMILARLY PEOPLE WHO EAT MORE PUT ON WT FOR SOME TIME. AFTER A CERTAIN LEVEL THEY SEEM TO KEEP THEIR WT CONSTANT INSPITE OF SAME FOOD HABITS & LEVEL OF EXERCISE. WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ABOUT THIS OBSERVATION. SAME WITH OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE. THEY KEP EATING MORE BUT MAY NOT PUT ON THE SAME WEIGHT AS THEY DID WHEN THEY WERELIGHTER. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE FOOD ANAND --- Emmanuel Segmen <susegmen wrote: > Emmanuel > I forgot, how do you calculate basal rate > Alon > > Hi Alon, > > As I clean up my email, I realize I had not answered > this question. Assuming you have no expensive > equipment in your office and don't which to go > through elaborate laboratory procedures, you need to > assess the patient as they sit or stand before you. > It takes a bit of experimentation, but here is my > general procedure. If it's not clear ask specific > questions. > > For adults 18 years or older to about 50, I used > factors which multiply the weight. For men, I > multiply their weight times 9 for sedentary types > and times 10 for active types. Thus a 150 lb. male > has a caloric output of 1500 assuming he has an > active life or exercise regime. It's only 1350 > calories per day for sedentary types. The factors > for females are 8 and 9 as they lack testosterone > which plays a role in lean body mass and caloric > output. For very aerobic athletes you may need to > modify this factor. I am such an athlete yet I went > from a 10 to a 9 after the age of 50. Aging > happens. Once you assess the bmr caloric output you > balance that with food caloric input and exercise > caloric output. The final figure is zero for no > gain or loss of body fat. If you want to lose > weight, then you create a greater output value over > the input value. As stated this take > experimentation. You may need to use a 9.5 or an > 8.5 if you see the person is not responding > according to your numbers. I started gaining weight > after 50, so I adjusted my bmr factor downward and > lost the weight. > > All of this is a lot of work until you get used to > calculating food calories and exercise calories. > I've gotten myself to log this every day for the > past 18 years or so, in order to make use of myself > as a physiology lab. It may seem obsessive to some, > but it's useful as a daily meditation. I remind my > students that they have a physiology lab where ever > they go ... their own bodies. Practitioners have a > CM clinic where ever you go since you no doubt self > treat with acupuncture and herbs. > > Emmanuel Segmen > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 Emmanuel I forgot, how do you calculate basal rate Alon >>>I wander how functioning mainly via glucolosis vs lipolosis changes the calculations, since obviously one can eat a much higher amount of calories when functioning in lipolosis Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 Hi Anand, It turns out if you take the time to measure calorie output and calorie input, you can indeed regulate weight with regard to fat storage. Pregnancy, very old age, childhood development and intense athletes are exceptional situations where tissues other than fat may be affected by tight regulation. In more stable adult systems, energy and matter are indeed conserved ... assuming that you've measured them. I've observed data from thousands of individuals without seeing exceptions. Actually measuring food calories and maintaining a diary is essential. To make an alteration (or to exert tight regulation) requires mindfulness. Some individuals who eat uncontrollably have insulin resistance wherein even their adipose tissue becomes resistant. So they plateau in their weight gain. Some are so insulin resistant that they do not gain weight at all. Thus, to gain weight from overeating is, from this perspective, a sign of good health. I mainly meant to respond to Alon's question of bmr calculations. Those calculations work when diet is sufficiently controlled to remove refined carbohydrates so that insulin resistance ceases to be a factor. Whether insulin resistance is a factor or not, it is observed that pretty much whatever you eat of nutritive value will enter the blood. Uptake by the cells is dependant on insulin. Thanks for your question, Emmanuel Segmen - anand bapat Chinese Medicine Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:37 PM Re: BMR calculation HI, GOOD IDEA RE: WEIGHT GAIN OR LOSS. BUT IS WEIGHT DECIDED BY FOOD YOU EAT & ACTIVITY LEVEL YOU HAVE. I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE LOSE WEIGHT DUE TO REDUCED EATING & WILL STOP LOSING WT. AFETR A CERTAIN LEVEL INSPITE OF EATING LESS. SIMILARLY PEOPLE WHO EAT MORE PUT ON WT FOR SOME TIME. AFTER A CERTAIN LEVEL THEY SEEM TO KEEP THEIR WT CONSTANT INSPITE OF SAME FOOD HABITS & LEVEL OF EXERCISE. WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ABOUT THIS OBSERVATION. SAME WITH OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE. THEY KEP EATING MORE BUT MAY NOT PUT ON THE SAME WEIGHT AS THEY DID WHEN THEY WERELIGHTER. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE FOOD ANAND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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