Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 I really don't see the point in this thread apart from filling up my inbox. I've got better things to do than read this kinda stuff and i hope you have too. It not only irritates the list memebers, as its got nothing to do with TCM, but also generates admin for me with the complaints i get off list, so please drop this discussion of the 'Zen stick' and lets get back to some real discussions! Attilio (spelled correctly) wrote: > Hello Holger is to bad that we maybe starting a new tread but with the subject Zen Stick funnyyyyyyyyyy and I don't think Emmanuel knows yet that his name is all over the world now with the his Zen Stick is out of the closet completly. He might be still on peejamas ) I just like to make a comment that this Zen Stick has been used by our ancestors as Apes to awake the Zen out of the channels or either in the GB 30 region of choices for the GB20 or Yintang as you wish. > One time I was offer a job in a acupuncture school and I thought I will check it maybe is a good thing to do( open the doors and windows for students). > I had my first meeting with the director of the school. He told me straight,: don't talk much about qi, go into more about neurological foundation within the acupuncture stimulation and don't talk about japanese acupuncture.( I will not mention the name of the school or any names) > I ask why not talk about the energetic essence behind the Total process in acupuncture , he said I don't beleive in the existance of energy as in channels, it is all about the neurological pathways behind the results. > I told him right there: How can you have a school of acupuncture and delete or hide the fact energy behind this wonderful medicine? If the people on the top don't believe in existance of the qi, than how can the students here become real acupuncturists? > He told me that I was not the right person for that school ) > I saw the director of the school years latter( the same person I talked in the meeting), in a physiotherapy clinic having ultra sound for his back problems. I ask him there: Why don't you try acupuncture ? He gave me a dead smile. He is a fake and was the director and teacher of an acupuncture school. > I am not saying this fact is a general one, but hurts me to know that many in the field of TCM classic or not, doesn't really believe or want to try to go away from the QI FACT. > Do you know what I mean? > I would be pleased to use the Zen Stick on those people to just wake the Zen out of them wherever is their brains located GV20 or GB 30 they choose )))) > I hope Atilion will not kick me out of the room ) is Emmanuels fault in bring the Zen Stick out of the closet ))) > Vanessa > > > > Holger Wendt <holger.wendt@t...> wrote: > he he he > you don't seem to be needing the stick on the but but rather prefer to hold > on to it's other end. I can imagine you going around in those schools...... > > When I choose to study ap and tcm I had a choice between that and doing > personal and organizational transformational development with a friend. (who > is by the way doing a great job) The choise of tcm/ap I dreaded at first as > it looked to me as having to go completely inside a box. Emerge in it. Being > fanatic about it for ahwile. And then suddenly I saw that that was just what > I had avoided for most of my life, putting myself in a particular frame or > box. Being labled. But I discovered that I needed that. So I choose that > conciously. and was fanatic for ahwile, like a child that discovers she can > walk. and discovered what a heuretic landscape it is. lot's of fascination > and fun > > Ken's terms for a perspective on Qi: connectivity, communication, change and > movement are also great principles for learning and teaching. > Put that in the stick Vanessa > > Holger > > > > Från: > > Svara till: Chinese Medicine > > Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:58:14 -0700 (PDT) > > Till: Chinese Medicine > > Ämne: Re: Re: The Zen stick came to life thanks to Emmanuel's deeds > > > > Hello Holger, that is a nice angle to see it. > > > > I didn't mean in a bad way,is just a procedure to wake the Zen out in us, but > > if the gluteus around GB 30 is to low or indecent, than we can go to the > > Yintang ot across the GV 20. Either way will do the job. > > Thanks for the support , > > Ok back to the real issues: What about short courses and the need to please > > the MD's ? > > Ops maybe lets not get there ). > > I heard Zen Sticks are needed in the big associations and many schools of > > acupuncture around the US. > > Vanessa > > > > << > > Holger Wendt <holger.wendt@t...> wrote: > > Ok, TCM Attilio: , the technique of butt spanking, (voluntarily accepted by > > an adult in search of waking up I presume), is in this precise described > > medically implemented technique done on GB meridian around GB30 (with a > > wooden tool) .... am I right? > > > > As far as I have heard and read, the GB is in " control of judgment and > > decisions " the action needed to make planning meaningful , also connected to > > initiative and courage... nourishment needed for the mind to hold on to the > > decisions and carry them out. > > > > so the technique is " waking us up " - to attentiveness, decision, > > initiative, action and " fullfilment of decision and action " > > > > not bad > > > > Holger > > > > > > > > Från: " " <attiliodalberto> > > Svara till: Chinese Medicine > > Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:20:42 -0000 > > Till: Chinese Medicine > > Ämne: Re: The Zen stick came to life thanks to Emmanuel's deeds > > > > > > Can we please keep it to TCM rather than talk of butt spanking with > > sticks and surfing. Thank you. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Attilio > > (moderator) > > > > Chinese Medicine , Vanessa Birang > > wrote: > >> Hello All, > >> we have a new tool for the correction of atitude or lack of it > > called the Zen Stick weight around 15 pounds, 4 feet long, rough > > wood, full of magic and has been used to bring up the best on us the > > servant of medicine . This tools is used to hit across the area of > > the gluteus maximum and minimum if it is done correctly, for the > > purpose of waiking the Zen in us. > >> So I like to thanks Emmanuel to bring this technique tool out of > > the closet as he mention in his posting to Ken. > >> So lets the fun beggin I am last thanks. > >> Vanessa > >> > >>>> > >> Emmanuel Segmen <susegmen@i...> wrote: > >> Hi Ken, > >> > >> Go easy with the zen stick as I arise to the task of meditating on > > your own fine texts (in English). > >> In gratitude, > >> Emmanuel Segmen > >> susegmen@i... > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 Why can't we have some fun too. You need to understand that 90% of my post was about the story on the school director and his hidden agenda about TCM , type of material that we use all the time in the group. Why can't you handle on single 3 line fun material? Are you that sensitive or grown up?? Vanessa > <attiliodalberto wrote: I really don't see the point in this thread apart from filling up my inbox. I've got better things to do than read this kinda stuff and i hope you have too. It not only irritates the list memebers, as its got nothing to do with TCM, but also generates admin for me with the complaints i get off list, so please drop this discussion of the 'Zen stick' and lets get back to some real discussions! Attilio (spelled correctly) wrote: > Hello Holger is to bad that we maybe starting a new tread but with the subject Zen Stick funnyyyyyyyyyy and I don't think Emmanuel knows yet that his name is all over the world now with the his Zen Stick is out of the closet completly. He might be still on peejamas ) I just like to make a comment that this Zen Stick has been used by our ancestors as Apes to awake the Zen out of the channels or either in the GB 30 region of choices for the GB20 or Yintang as you wish. > One time I was offer a job in a acupuncture school and I thought I will check it maybe is a good thing to do( open the doors and windows for students). > I had my first meeting with the director of the school. He told me straight,: don't talk much about qi, go into more about neurological foundation within the acupuncture stimulation and don't talk about japanese acupuncture.( I will not mention the name of the school or any names) > I ask why not talk about the energetic essence behind the Total process in acupuncture , he said I don't beleive in the existance of energy as in channels, it is all about the neurological pathways behind the results. > I told him right there: How can you have a school of acupuncture and delete or hide the fact energy behind this wonderful medicine? If the people on the top don't believe in existance of the qi, than how can the students here become real acupuncturists? > He told me that I was not the right person for that school ) > I saw the director of the school years latter( the same person I talked in the meeting), in a physiotherapy clinic having ultra sound for his back problems. I ask him there: Why don't you try acupuncture ? He gave me a dead smile. He is a fake and was the director and teacher of an acupuncture school. > I am not saying this fact is a general one, but hurts me to know that many in the field of TCM classic or not, doesn't really believe or want to try to go away from the QI FACT. > Do you know what I mean? > I would be pleased to use the Zen Stick on those people to just wake the Zen out of them wherever is their brains located GV20 or GB 30 they choose )))) > I hope Atilion will not kick me out of the room ) is Emmanuels fault in bring the Zen Stick out of the closet ))) > Vanessa > > > > Holger Wendt <holger.wendt@t...> wrote: > he he he > you don't seem to be needing the stick on the but but rather prefer to hold > on to it's other end. I can imagine you going around in those schools...... > > When I choose to study ap and tcm I had a choice between that and doing > personal and organizational transformational development with a friend. (who > is by the way doing a great job) The choise of tcm/ap I dreaded at first as > it looked to me as having to go completely inside a box. Emerge in it. Being > fanatic about it for ahwile. And then suddenly I saw that that was just what > I had avoided for most of my life, putting myself in a particular frame or > box. Being labled. But I discovered that I needed that. So I choose that > conciously. and was fanatic for ahwile, like a child that discovers she can > walk. and discovered what a heuretic landscape it is. lot's of fascination > and fun > > Ken's terms for a perspective on Qi: connectivity, communication, change and > movement are also great principles for learning and teaching. > Put that in the stick Vanessa > > Holger > > > > Från: > > Svara till: Chinese Medicine > > Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:58:14 -0700 (PDT) > > Till: Chinese Medicine > > Ämne: Re: Re: The Zen stick came to life thanks to Emmanuel's deeds > > > > Hello Holger, that is a nice angle to see it. > > > > I didn't mean in a bad way,is just a procedure to wake the Zen out in us, but > > if the gluteus around GB 30 is to low or indecent, than we can go to the > > Yintang ot across the GV 20. Either way will do the job. > > Thanks for the support , > > Ok back to the real issues: What about short courses and the need to please > > the MD's ? > > Ops maybe lets not get there ). > > I heard Zen Sticks are needed in the big associations and many schools of > > acupuncture around the US. > > Vanessa > > > > << > > Holger Wendt <holger.wendt@t...> wrote: > > Ok, TCM Attilio: , the technique of butt spanking, (voluntarily accepted by > > an adult in search of waking up I presume), is in this precise described > > medically implemented technique done on GB meridian around GB30 (with a > > wooden tool) .... am I right? > > > > As far as I have heard and read, the GB is in " control of judgment and > > decisions " the action needed to make planning meaningful , also connected to > > initiative and courage... nourishment needed for the mind to hold on to the > > decisions and carry them out. > > > > so the technique is " waking us up " - to attentiveness, decision, > > initiative, action and " fullfilment of decision and action " > > > > not bad > > > > Holger > > > > > > > > Från: " " <attiliodalberto> > > Svara till: Chinese Medicine > > Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:20:42 -0000 > > Till: Chinese Medicine > > Ämne: Re: The Zen stick came to life thanks to Emmanuel's deeds > > > > > > Can we please keep it to TCM rather than talk of butt spanking with > > sticks and surfing. Thank you. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Attilio > > (moderator) > > > > Chinese Medicine , Vanessa Birang > > wrote: > >> Hello All, > >> we have a new tool for the correction of atitude or lack of it > > called the Zen Stick weight around 15 pounds, 4 feet long, rough > > wood, full of magic and has been used to bring up the best on us the > > servant of medicine . This tools is used to hit across the area of > > the gluteus maximum and minimum if it is done correctly, for the > > purpose of waiking the Zen in us. > >> So I like to thanks Emmanuel to bring this technique tool out of > > the closet as he mention in his posting to Ken. > >> So lets the fun beggin I am last thanks. > >> Vanessa > >> > >>>> > >> Emmanuel Segmen <susegmen@i...> wrote: > >> Hi Ken, > >> > >> Go easy with the zen stick as I arise to the task of meditating on > > your own fine texts (in English). > >> In gratitude, > >> Emmanuel Segmen > >> susegmen@i... > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 <attiliodalberto wrote:I really don't see the point in this thread apart from filling up my inbox. I've got better things to do than read this kinda stuff and i hope you have too. It not only irritates the list memebers, as its got nothing to do with TCM, but also generates admin for me with the complaints i get off list, so please drop this discussion of the 'Zen stick' and lets get back to some real discussions! Attilio (spelled correctly) wrote: > Hello Holger is to bad that we maybe starting a new tread but with the subject Zen Stick funnyyyyyyyyyy and I don't think Emmanuel knows yet that his name is all over the world now with the his Zen Stick is out of the closet completly. He might be still on peejamas ) I just like to make a comment that this Zen Stick has been used by our ancestors as Apes to awake the Zen out of the channels or either in the GB 30 region of choices for the GB20 or Yintang as you wish. > One time I was offer a job in a acupuncture school and I thought I will check it maybe is a good thing to do( open the doors and windows for students). > I had my first meeting with the director of the school. He told me straight,: don't talk much about qi, go into more about neurological foundation within the acupuncture stimulation and don't talk about japanese acupuncture.( I will not mention the name of the school or any names) > I ask why not talk about the energetic essence behind the Total process in acupuncture , he said I don't beleive in the existance of energy as in channels, it is all about the neurological pathways behind the results. > I told him right there: How can you have a school of acupuncture and delete or hide the fact energy behind this wonderful medicine? If the people on the top don't believe in existance of the qi, than how can the students here become real acupuncturists? > He told me that I was not the right person for that school ) > I saw the director of the school years latter( the same person I talked in the meeting), in a physiotherapy clinic having ultra sound for his back problems. I ask him there: Why don't you try acupuncture ? He gave me a dead smile. He is a fake and was the director and teacher of an acupuncture school. > I am not saying this fact is a general one, but hurts me to know that many in the field of TCM classic or not, doesn't really believe or want to try to go away from the QI FACT. > Do you know what I mean? > I would be pleased to use the Zen Stick on those people to just wake the Zen out of them wherever is their brains located GV20 or GB 30 they choose )))) > I hope Atilion will not kick me out of the room ) is Emmanuels fault in bring the Zen Stick out of the closet ))) > Vanessa > > > > Holger Wendt <holger.wendt@t...> wrote: > he he he > you don't seem to be needing the stick on the but but rather prefer to hold > on to it's other end. I can imagine you going around in those schools...... > > When I choose to study ap and tcm I had a choice between that and doing > personal and organizational transformational development with a friend. (who > is by the way doing a great job) The choise of tcm/ap I dreaded at first as > it looked to me as having to go completely inside a box. Emerge in it. Being > fanatic about it for ahwile. And then suddenly I saw that that was just what > I had avoided for most of my life, putting myself in a particular frame or > box. Being labled. But I discovered that I needed that. So I choose that > conciously. and was fanatic for ahwile, like a child that discovers she can > walk. and discovered what a heuretic landscape it is. lot's of fascination > and fun > > Ken's terms for a perspective on Qi: connectivity, communication, change and > movement are also great principles for learning and teaching. > Put that in the stick Vanessa > > Holger > > > > Från: > > Svara till: Chinese Medicine > > Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:58:14 -0700 (PDT) > > Till: Chinese Medicine > > Ämne: Re: Re: The Zen stick came to life thanks to Emmanuel's deeds > > > > Hello Holger, that is a nice angle to see it. > > > > I didn't mean in a bad way,is just a procedure to wake the Zen out in us, but > > if the gluteus around GB 30 is to low or indecent, than we can go to the > > Yintang ot across the GV 20. Either way will do the job. > > Thanks for the support , > > Ok back to the real issues: What about short courses and the need to please > > the MD's ? > > Ops maybe lets not get there ). > > I heard Zen Sticks are needed in the big associations and many schools of > > acupuncture around the US. > > Vanessa > > > > << > > Holger Wendt <holger.wendt@t...> wrote: > > Ok, TCM Attilio: , the technique of butt spanking, (voluntarily accepted by > > an adult in search of waking up I presume), is in this precise described > > medically implemented technique done on GB meridian around GB30 (with a > > wooden tool) .... am I right? > > > > As far as I have heard and read, the GB is in " control of judgment and > > decisions " the action needed to make planning meaningful , also connected to > > initiative and courage... nourishment needed for the mind to hold on to the > > decisions and carry them out. > > > > so the technique is " waking us up " - to attentiveness, decision, > > initiative, action and " fullfilment of decision and action " > > > > not bad > > > > Holger > > > > > > > > Från: " " <attiliodalberto> > > Svara till: Chinese Medicine > > Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:20:42 -0000 > > Till: Chinese Medicine > > Ämne: Re: The Zen stick came to life thanks to Emmanuel's deeds > > > > > > Can we please keep it to TCM rather than talk of butt spanking with > > sticks and surfing. Thank you. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Attilio > > (moderator) > > > > Chinese Medicine , Vanessa Birang > > wrote: > >> Hello All, > >> we have a new tool for the correction of atitude or lack of it > > called the Zen Stick weight around 15 pounds, 4 feet long, rough > > wood, full of magic and has been used to bring up the best on us the > > servant of medicine . This tools is used to hit across the area of > > the gluteus maximum and minimum if it is done correctly, for the > > purpose of waiking the Zen in us. > >> So I like to thanks Emmanuel to bring this technique tool out of > > the closet as he mention in his posting to Ken. > >> So lets the fun beggin I am last thanks. > >> Vanessa > >> > >>>> > >> Emmanuel Segmen <susegmen@i...> wrote: > >> Hi Ken, > >> > >> Go easy with the zen stick as I arise to the task of meditating on > > your own fine texts (in English). > >> In gratitude, > >> Emmanuel Segmen > >> susegmen@i... > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 I don't need the 3 warning. Keep it a serious group and for your comment of " let's get back to serious discussion " I would say try Ilusion for foundation of this discussion. I had enjoyed as I was around so thanks for everything, take me from this group before I get officially kick out. ) Vanessa >> <vbirang wrote: Why can't we have some fun too. You need to understand that 90% of my post was about the story on the school director and his hidden agenda about TCM , type of material that we use all the time in the group. Why can't you handle on single 3 line fun material? Are you that sensitive or grown up?? Vanessa > wrote: I really don't see the point in this thread apart from filling up my inbox. I've got better things to do than read this kinda stuff and i hope you have too. It not only irritates the list memebers, as its got nothing to do with TCM, but also generates admin for me with the complaints i get off list, so please drop this discussion of the 'Zen stick' and lets get back to some real discussions! Attilio (spelled correctly) wrote: > Hello Holger is to bad that we maybe starting a new tread but with the subject Zen Stick funnyyyyyyyyyy and I don't think Emmanuel knows yet that his name is all over the world now with the his Zen Stick is out of the closet completly. He might be still on peejamas ) I just like to make a comment that this Zen Stick has been used by our ancestors as Apes to awake the Zen out of the channels or either in the GB 30 region of choices for the GB20 or Yintang as you wish. > One time I was offer a job in a acupuncture school and I thought I will check it maybe is a good thing to do( open the doors and windows for students). > I had my first meeting with the director of the school. He told me straight,: don't talk much about qi, go into more about neurological foundation within the acupuncture stimulation and don't talk about japanese acupuncture.( I will not mention the name of the school or any names) > I ask why not talk about the energetic essence behind the Total process in acupuncture , he said I don't beleive in the existance of energy as in channels, it is all about the neurological pathways behind the results. > I told him right there: How can you have a school of acupuncture and delete or hide the fact energy behind this wonderful medicine? If the people on the top don't believe in existance of the qi, than how can the students here become real acupuncturists? > He told me that I was not the right person for that school ) > I saw the director of the school years latter( the same person I talked in the meeting), in a physiotherapy clinic having ultra sound for his back problems. I ask him there: Why don't you try acupuncture ? He gave me a dead smile. He is a fake and was the director and teacher of an acupuncture school. > I am not saying this fact is a general one, but hurts me to know that many in the field of TCM classic or not, doesn't really believe or want to try to go away from the QI FACT. > Do you know what I mean? > I would be pleased to use the Zen Stick on those people to just wake the Zen out of them wherever is their brains located GV20 or GB 30 they choose )))) > I hope Atilion will not kick me out of the room ) is Emmanuels fault in bring the Zen Stick out of the closet ))) > Vanessa > > > > Holger Wendt wrote: > he he he > you don't seem to be needing the stick on the but but rather prefer to hold > on to it's other end. I can imagine you going around in those schools...... > > When I choose to study ap and tcm I had a choice between that and doing > personal and organizational transformational development with a friend. (who > is by the way doing a great job) The choise of tcm/ap I dreaded at first as > it looked to me as having to go completely inside a box. Emerge in it. Being > fanatic about it for ahwile. And then suddenly I saw that that was just what > I had avoided for most of my life, putting myself in a particular frame or > box. Being labled. But I discovered that I needed that. So I choose that > conciously. and was fanatic for ahwile, like a child that discovers she can > walk. and discovered what a heuretic landscape it is. lot's of fascination > and fun > > Ken's terms for a perspective on Qi: connectivity, communication, change and > movement are also great principles for learning and teaching. > Put that in the stick Vanessa > > Holger > > > > Från: > > Svara till: Chinese Medicine > > Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:58:14 -0700 (PDT) > > Till: Chinese Medicine > > Ämne: Re: Re: The Zen stick came to life thanks to Emmanuel's deeds > > > > Hello Holger, that is a nice angle to see it. > > > > I didn't mean in a bad way,is just a procedure to wake the Zen out in us, but > > if the gluteus around GB 30 is to low or indecent, than we can go to the > > Yintang ot across the GV 20. Either way will do the job. > > Thanks for the support , > > Ok back to the real issues: What about short courses and the need to please > > the MD's ? > > Ops maybe lets not get there ). > > I heard Zen Sticks are needed in the big associations and many schools of > > acupuncture around the US. > > Vanessa > > > > << > > Holger Wendt wrote: > > Ok, TCM Attilio: , the technique of butt spanking, (voluntarily accepted by > > an adult in search of waking up I presume), is in this precise described > > medically implemented technique done on GB meridian around GB30 (with a > > wooden tool) .... am I right? > > > > As far as I have heard and read, the GB is in " control of judgment and > > decisions " the action needed to make planning meaningful , also connected to > > initiative and courage... nourishment needed for the mind to hold on to the > > decisions and carry them out. > > > > so the technique is " waking us up " - to attentiveness, decision, > > initiative, action and " fullfilment of decision and action " > > > > not bad > > > > Holger > > > > > > > > Från: " " > > Svara till: Chinese Medicine > > Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:20:42 -0000 > > Till: Chinese Medicine > > Ämne: Re: The Zen stick came to life thanks to Emmanuel's deeds > > > > > > Can we please keep it to TCM rather than talk of butt spanking with > > sticks and surfing. Thank you. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Attilio > > (moderator) > > > > Chinese Medicine , Vanessa Birang > > wrote: > >> Hello All, > >> we have a new tool for the correction of atitude or lack of it > > called the Zen Stick weight around 15 pounds, 4 feet long, rough > > wood, full of magic and has been used to bring up the best on us the > > servant of medicine . This tools is used to hit across the area of > > the gluteus maximum and minimum if it is done correctly, for the > > purpose of waiking the Zen in us. > >> So I like to thanks Emmanuel to bring this technique tool out of > > the closet as he mention in his posting to Ken. > >> So lets the fun beggin I am last thanks. > >> Vanessa > >> > >>>> > >> Emmanuel Segmen wrote: > >> Hi Ken, > >> > >> Go easy with the zen stick as I arise to the task of meditating on > > your own fine texts (in English). > >> In gratitude, > >> Emmanuel Segmen > >> susegmen@i... > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 Bye Bye Vanessa, Happy needling Sharon - " " <vbirang <Chinese Medicine > Friday, September 19, 2003 11:43 AM Re: The Zen stick - second warning!! I don't need the 3 warning. Keep it a serious group and for your comment of " let's get back to serious discussion " I would say try Ilusion for foundation of this discussion. I had enjoyed as I was around so thanks for everything, take me from this group before I get officially kick out. ) Vanessa >> <vbirang wrote: Why can't we have some fun too. You need to understand that 90% of my post was about the story on the school director and his hidden agenda about TCM , type of material that we use all the time in the group. Why can't you handle on single 3 line fun material? Are you that sensitive or grown up?? Vanessa > wrote: I really don't see the point in this thread apart from filling up my inbox. I've got better things to do than read this kinda stuff and i hope you have too. It not only irritates the list memebers, as its got nothing to do with TCM, but also generates admin for me with the complaints i get off list, so please drop this discussion of the 'Zen stick' and lets get back to some real discussions! Attilio (spelled correctly) wrote: > Hello Holger is to bad that we maybe starting a new tread but with the subject Zen Stick funnyyyyyyyyyy and I don't think Emmanuel knows yet that his name is all over the world now with the his Zen Stick is out of the closet completly. He might be still on peejamas ) I just like to make a comment that this Zen Stick has been used by our ancestors as Apes to awake the Zen out of the channels or either in the GB 30 region of choices for the GB20 or Yintang as you wish. > One time I was offer a job in a acupuncture school and I thought I will check it maybe is a good thing to do( open the doors and windows for students). > I had my first meeting with the director of the school. He told me straight,: don't talk much about qi, go into more about neurological foundation within the acupuncture stimulation and don't talk about japanese acupuncture.( I will not mention the name of the school or any names) > I ask why not talk about the energetic essence behind the Total process in acupuncture , he said I don't beleive in the existance of energy as in channels, it is all about the neurological pathways behind the results. > I told him right there: How can you have a school of acupuncture and delete or hide the fact energy behind this wonderful medicine? If the people on the top don't believe in existance of the qi, than how can the students here become real acupuncturists? > He told me that I was not the right person for that school ) > I saw the director of the school years latter( the same person I talked in the meeting), in a physiotherapy clinic having ultra sound for his back problems. I ask him there: Why don't you try acupuncture ? He gave me a dead smile. He is a fake and was the director and teacher of an acupuncture school. > I am not saying this fact is a general one, but hurts me to know that many in the field of TCM classic or not, doesn't really believe or want to try to go away from the QI FACT. > Do you know what I mean? > I would be pleased to use the Zen Stick on those people to just wake the Zen out of them wherever is their brains located GV20 or GB 30 they choose )))) > I hope Atilion will not kick me out of the room ) is Emmanuels fault in bring the Zen Stick out of the closet ))) > Vanessa > > > > Holger Wendt wrote: > he he he > you don't seem to be needing the stick on the but but rather prefer to hold > on to it's other end. I can imagine you going around in those schools...... > > When I choose to study ap and tcm I had a choice between that and doing > personal and organizational transformational development with a friend. (who > is by the way doing a great job) The choise of tcm/ap I dreaded at first as > it looked to me as having to go completely inside a box. Emerge in it. Being > fanatic about it for ahwile. And then suddenly I saw that that was just what > I had avoided for most of my life, putting myself in a particular frame or > box. Being labled. But I discovered that I needed that. So I choose that > conciously. and was fanatic for ahwile, like a child that discovers she can > walk. and discovered what a heuretic landscape it is. lot's of fascination > and fun > > Ken's terms for a perspective on Qi: connectivity, communication, change and > movement are also great principles for learning and teaching. > Put that in the stick Vanessa > > Holger > > > > Från: > > Svara till: Chinese Medicine > > Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:58:14 -0700 (PDT) > > Till: Chinese Medicine > > Ämne: Re: Re: The Zen stick came to life thanks to Emmanuel's deeds > > > > Hello Holger, that is a nice angle to see it. > > > > I didn't mean in a bad way,is just a procedure to wake the Zen out in us, but > > if the gluteus around GB 30 is to low or indecent, than we can go to the > > Yintang ot across the GV 20. Either way will do the job. > > Thanks for the support , > > Ok back to the real issues: What about short courses and the need to please > > the MD's ? > > Ops maybe lets not get there ). > > I heard Zen Sticks are needed in the big associations and many schools of > > acupuncture around the US. > > Vanessa > > > > << > > Holger Wendt wrote: > > Ok, TCM Attilio: , the technique of butt spanking, (voluntarily accepted by > > an adult in search of waking up I presume), is in this precise described > > medically implemented technique done on GB meridian around GB30 (with a > > wooden tool) .... am I right? > > > > As far as I have heard and read, the GB is in " control of judgment and > > decisions " the action needed to make planning meaningful , also connected to > > initiative and courage... nourishment needed for the mind to hold on to the > > decisions and carry them out. > > > > so the technique is " waking us up " - to attentiveness, decision, > > initiative, action and " fullfilment of decision and action " > > > > not bad > > > > Holger > > > > > > > > Från: " " > > Svara till: Chinese Medicine > > Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:20:42 -0000 > > Till: Chinese Medicine > > Ämne: Re: The Zen stick came to life thanks to Emmanuel's deeds > > > > > > Can we please keep it to TCM rather than talk of butt spanking with > > sticks and surfing. Thank you. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Attilio > > (moderator) > > > > Chinese Medicine , Vanessa Birang > > wrote: > >> Hello All, > >> we have a new tool for the correction of atitude or lack of it > > called the Zen Stick weight around 15 pounds, 4 feet long, rough > > wood, full of magic and has been used to bring up the best on us the > > servant of medicine . This tools is used to hit across the area of > > the gluteus maximum and minimum if it is done correctly, for the > > purpose of waiking the Zen in us. > >> So I like to thanks Emmanuel to bring this technique tool out of > > the closet as he mention in his posting to Ken. > >> So lets the fun beggin I am last thanks. > >> Vanessa > >> > >>>> > >> Emmanuel Segmen wrote: > >> Hi Ken, > >> > >> Go easy with the zen stick as I arise to the task of meditating on > > your own fine texts (in English). > >> In gratitude, > >> Emmanuel Segmen > >> susegmen@i... > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 we will miss you Vanessa. go on Seb - Chinese Medicine Friday, September 19, 2003 7:56 AM Re: The Zen stick - second warning!! Bye Bye Vanessa, Happy needling Sharon - " " <vbirang <Chinese Medicine > Friday, September 19, 2003 11:43 AM Re: The Zen stick - second warning!! I don't need the 3 warning. Keep it a serious group and for your comment of " let's get back to serious discussion " I would say try Ilusion for foundation of this discussion. I had enjoyed as I was around so thanks for everything, take me from this group before I get officially kick out. ) Vanessa >> <vbirang wrote: Why can't we have some fun too. You need to understand that 90% of my post was about the story on the school director and his hidden agenda about TCM , type of material that we use all the time in the group. Why can't you handle on single 3 line fun material? Are you that sensitive or grown up?? Vanessa > wrote: I really don't see the point in this thread apart from filling up my inbox. I've got better things to do than read this kinda stuff and i hope you have too. It not only irritates the list memebers, as its got nothing to do with TCM, but also generates admin for me with the complaints i get off list, so please drop this discussion of the 'Zen stick' and lets get back to some real discussions! Attilio (spelled correctly) wrote: > Hello Holger is to bad that we maybe starting a new tread but with the subject Zen Stick funnyyyyyyyyyy and I don't think Emmanuel knows yet that his name is all over the world now with the his Zen Stick is out of the closet completly. He might be still on peejamas ) I just like to make a comment that this Zen Stick has been used by our ancestors as Apes to awake the Zen out of the channels or either in the GB 30 region of choices for the GB20 or Yintang as you wish. > One time I was offer a job in a acupuncture school and I thought I will check it maybe is a good thing to do( open the doors and windows for students). > I had my first meeting with the director of the school. He told me straight,: don't talk much about qi, go into more about neurological foundation within the acupuncture stimulation and don't talk about japanese acupuncture.( I will not mention the name of the school or any names) > I ask why not talk about the energetic essence behind the Total process in acupuncture , he said I don't beleive in the existance of energy as in channels, it is all about the neurological pathways behind the results. > I told him right there: How can you have a school of acupuncture and delete or hide the fact energy behind this wonderful medicine? If the people on the top don't believe in existance of the qi, than how can the students here become real acupuncturists? > He told me that I was not the right person for that school ) > I saw the director of the school years latter( the same person I talked in the meeting), in a physiotherapy clinic having ultra sound for his back problems. I ask him there: Why don't you try acupuncture ? He gave me a dead smile. He is a fake and was the director and teacher of an acupuncture school. > I am not saying this fact is a general one, but hurts me to know that many in the field of TCM classic or not, doesn't really believe or want to try to go away from the QI FACT. > Do you know what I mean? > I would be pleased to use the Zen Stick on those people to just wake the Zen out of them wherever is their brains located GV20 or GB 30 they choose )))) > I hope Atilion will not kick me out of the room ) is Emmanuels fault in bring the Zen Stick out of the closet ))) > Vanessa > > > > Holger Wendt wrote: > he he he > you don't seem to be needing the stick on the but but rather prefer to hold > on to it's other end. I can imagine you going around in those schools...... > > When I choose to study ap and tcm I had a choice between that and doing > personal and organizational transformational development with a friend. (who > is by the way doing a great job) The choise of tcm/ap I dreaded at first as > it looked to me as having to go completely inside a box. Emerge in it. Being > fanatic about it for ahwile. And then suddenly I saw that that was just what > I had avoided for most of my life, putting myself in a particular frame or > box. Being labled. But I discovered that I needed that. So I choose that > conciously. and was fanatic for ahwile, like a child that discovers she can > walk. and discovered what a heuretic landscape it is. lot's of fascination > and fun > > Ken's terms for a perspective on Qi: connectivity, communication, change and > movement are also great principles for learning and teaching. > Put that in the stick Vanessa > > Holger > > > > Från: > > Svara till: Chinese Medicine > > Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:58:14 -0700 (PDT) > > Till: Chinese Medicine > > Ämne: Re: Re: The Zen stick came to life thanks to Emmanuel's deeds > > > > Hello Holger, that is a nice angle to see it. > > > > I didn't mean in a bad way,is just a procedure to wake the Zen out in us, but > > if the gluteus around GB 30 is to low or indecent, than we can go to the > > Yintang ot across the GV 20. Either way will do the job. > > Thanks for the support , > > Ok back to the real issues: What about short courses and the need to please > > the MD's ? > > Ops maybe lets not get there ). > > I heard Zen Sticks are needed in the big associations and many schools of > > acupuncture around the US. > > Vanessa > > > > << > > Holger Wendt wrote: > > Ok, TCM Attilio: , the technique of butt spanking, (voluntarily accepted by > > an adult in search of waking up I presume), is in this precise described > > medically implemented technique done on GB meridian around GB30 (with a > > wooden tool) .... am I right? > > > > As far as I have heard and read, the GB is in " control of judgment and > > decisions " the action needed to make planning meaningful , also connected to > > initiative and courage... nourishment needed for the mind to hold on to the > > decisions and carry them out. > > > > so the technique is " waking us up " - to attentiveness, decision, > > initiative, action and " fullfilment of decision and action " > > > > not bad > > > > Holger > > > > > > > > Från: " " > > Svara till: Chinese Medicine > > Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:20:42 -0000 > > Till: Chinese Medicine > > Ämne: Re: The Zen stick came to life thanks to Emmanuel's deeds > > > > > > Can we please keep it to TCM rather than talk of butt spanking with > > sticks and surfing. Thank you. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Attilio > > (moderator) > > > > Chinese Medicine , Vanessa Birang > > wrote: > >> Hello All, > >> we have a new tool for the correction of atitude or lack of it > > called the Zen Stick weight around 15 pounds, 4 feet long, rough > > wood, full of magic and has been used to bring up the best on us the > > servant of medicine . This tools is used to hit across the area of > > the gluteus maximum and minimum if it is done correctly, for the > > purpose of waiking the Zen in us. > >> So I like to thanks Emmanuel to bring this technique tool out of > > the closet as he mention in his posting to Ken. > >> So lets the fun beggin I am last thanks. > >> Vanessa > >> > >>>> > >> Emmanuel Segmen wrote: > >> Hi Ken, > >> > >> Go easy with the zen stick as I arise to the task of meditating on > > your own fine texts (in English). > >> In gratitude, > >> Emmanuel Segmen > >> susegmen@i... > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 Attilio, Rather than berate people for a minor bit of levity, couldn't you insist that posters snip previous message copies, apart from the sentences they are specifically replying to? The one below for instance has a quick message for Vanessa, and then has 470 lines of crap underneath it. Trying to follow a thread becomes a chore, and reading anything in Digest format becomes almost impossible. Thanks, Godfry Bartlett Chinese Medicine , " Sebastien Demortier " <sebanddem> wrote: > we will miss you Vanessa. > go on > Seb > - > > Chinese Medicine > Friday, September 19, 2003 7:56 AM > Re: The Zen stick - second warning!! > > > Bye Bye Vanessa, > Happy needling > Sharon > - > " " > <Chinese Medicine > > Friday, September 19, 2003 11:43 AM > Re: The Zen stick - second warning!! > > > > I don't need the 3 warning. Keep it a serious group and for your comment of > " let's get back to serious discussion " I would say try Ilusion for > foundation of this discussion. > I had enjoyed as I was around so thanks for everything, take me from this > group before I get officially kick out. > ) > Vanessa > > > >> wrote: > Why can't we have some fun too. You need to understand that 90% of my post > was about the story on the school director and his hidden agenda about TCM , > type of material that we use all the time in the group. Why can't you handle > on single 3 line fun material? Are you that sensitive or grown up?? > > Vanessa > > > > wrote: > I really don't see the point in this thread apart from filling up my > inbox. I've got better things to do than read this kinda stuff and i > hope you have too. It not only irritates the list memebers, as its > got nothing to do with TCM, but also generates admin for me with the > complaints i get off list, so please drop this discussion of the 'Zen > stick' and lets get back to some real discussions! > > Attilio > (spelled correctly) > > wrote: > > Hello Holger is to bad that we maybe starting a new tread but with > the subject Zen Stick funnyyyyyyyyyy and I don't think Emmanuel knows > yet that his name is all over the world now with the his Zen Stick > is out of the closet completly. He might be still on peejamas ) I > just like to make a comment that this Zen Stick has been used by our > ancestors as Apes to awake the Zen out of the channels or either in > the GB 30 region of choices for the GB20 or Yintang as you wish. > > One time I was offer a job in a acupuncture school and I thought I > will check it maybe is a good thing to do( open the doors and windows > for students). > > I had my first meeting with the director of the school. He told me > straight,: don't talk much about qi, go into more about neurological > foundation within the acupuncture stimulation and don't talk about > japanese acupuncture.( I will not mention the name of the school or > any names) > > I ask why not talk about the energetic essence behind the Total > process in acupuncture , he said I don't beleive in the existance of > energy as in channels, it is all about the neurological pathways > behind the results. > > I told him right there: How can you have a school of acupuncture > and delete or hide the fact energy behind this wonderful medicine? If > the people on the top don't believe in existance of the qi, than how > can the students here become real acupuncturists? > > He told me that I was not the right person for that school ) > > I saw the director of the school years latter( the same person I > talked in the meeting), in a physiotherapy clinic having ultra sound > for his back problems. I ask him there: Why don't you try > acupuncture ? He gave me a dead smile. He is a fake and was the > director and teacher of an acupuncture school. > > I am not saying this fact is a general one, but hurts me to know > that many in the field of TCM classic or not, doesn't really believe > or want to try to go away from the QI FACT. > > Do you know what I mean? > > I would be pleased to use the Zen Stick on those people to just > wake the Zen out of them wherever is their brains located GV20 or GB > 30 they choose )))) > > I hope Atilion will not kick me out of the room ) is Emmanuels > fault in bring the Zen Stick out of the closet ))) > > Vanessa > > > > > > > > Holger Wendt wrote: > > he he he > > you don't seem to be needing the stick on the but but rather prefer > to hold > > on to it's other end. I can imagine you going around in those > schools...... > > > > When I choose to study ap and tcm I had a choice between that and > doing > > personal and organizational transformational development with a > friend. (who > > is by the way doing a great job) The choise of tcm/ap I dreaded at > first as > > it looked to me as having to go completely inside a box. Emerge in > it. Being > > fanatic about it for ahwile. And then suddenly I saw that that was > just what > > I had avoided for most of my life, putting myself in a particular > frame or > > box. Being labled. But I discovered that I needed that. So I choose > that > > conciously. and was fanatic for ahwile, like a child that discovers > she can > > walk. and discovered what a heuretic landscape it is. lot's of > fascination > > and fun > > > > Ken's terms for a perspective on Qi: connectivity, communication, > change and > > movement are also great principles for learning and teaching. > > Put that in the stick Vanessa > > > > Holger > > > > > > > Från: > > > Svara till: Chinese Medicine > > > Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:58:14 -0700 (PDT) > > > Till: Chinese Medicine > > > Ämne: Re: Re: The Zen stick came to life thanks to > Emmanuel's deeds > > > > > > Hello Holger, that is a nice angle to see it. > > > > > > I didn't mean in a bad way,is just a procedure to wake the Zen > out in us, but > > > if the gluteus around GB 30 is to low or indecent, than we can go > to the > > > Yintang ot across the GV 20. Either way will do the job. > > > Thanks for the support , > > > Ok back to the real issues: What about short courses and the need > to please > > > the MD's ? > > > Ops maybe lets not get there ). > > > I heard Zen Sticks are needed in the big associations and many > schools of > > > acupuncture around the US. > > > Vanessa > > > > > > << > > > Holger Wendt wrote: > > > Ok, TCM Attilio: , the technique of butt spanking, (voluntarily > accepted by > > > an adult in search of waking up I presume), is in this precise > described > > > medically implemented technique done on GB meridian around GB30 > (with a > > > wooden tool) .... am I right? > > > > > > As far as I have heard and read, the GB is in " control of > judgment and > > > decisions " the action needed to make planning meaningful , also > connected to > > > initiative and courage... nourishment needed for the mind to hold > on to the > > > decisions and carry them out. > > > > > > so the technique is " waking us up " - to attentiveness, decision, > > > initiative, action and " fullfilment of decision and action " > > > > > > not bad > > > > > > Holger > > > > > > > > > > > > Från: " " > > > Svara till: Chinese Medicine > > > Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:20:42 -0000 > > > Till: Chinese Medicine > > > Ämne: Re: The Zen stick came to life thanks to Emmanuel's > deeds > > > > > > > > > Can we please keep it to TCM rather than talk of butt spanking > with > > > sticks and surfing. Thank you. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Attilio > > > (moderator) > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , Vanessa > Birang > > > wrote: > > >> Hello All, > > >> we have a new tool for the correction of atitude or lack of it > > > called the Zen Stick weight around 15 pounds, 4 feet long, rough > > > wood, full of magic and has been used to bring up the best on us > the > > > servant of medicine . This tools is used to hit across the area of > > > the gluteus maximum and minimum if it is done correctly, for the > > > purpose of waiking the Zen in us. > > >> So I like to thanks Emmanuel to bring this technique tool out of > > > the closet as he mention in his posting to Ken. > > >> So lets the fun beggin I am last thanks. > > >> Vanessa > > >> > > >>>> > > >> Emmanuel Segmen wrote: > > >> Hi Ken, > > >> > > >> Go easy with the zen stick as I arise to the task of meditating > on > > > your own fine texts (in English). > > >> In gratitude, > > >> Emmanuel Segmen > > >> susegmen@i... > > >>>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 I have already explained my reasons and am not in the process of repeating myself. Yes people should also cut out the 'crap' (which you didn't) as you put it when replying from daily digests and should also change the subject header, something actually Vanessa is very good at doing. Attilio Chinese Medicine , " acu_qichina " <acu@q...> wrote: > Attilio, > Rather than berate people for a minor bit of levity, couldn't you > insist that posters snip previous message copies, apart from the > sentences they are specifically replying to? > > The one below for instance has a quick message for Vanessa, and then > has 470 lines of crap underneath it. Trying to follow a thread becomes > a chore, and reading anything in Digest format becomes almost impossible. > Thanks, > Godfry Bartlett have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 I'm not gonna throw you out. I find it difficult enough having to 'tell people off' as everyone is not only older than myself but alot wiser. The job of moderator is often a blind one, things go on behind the group's eyes and i have to deal with them. If anyone ever becomes joint moderator then you'll see!!!!! Until then i hope you'll stay. I apprecitate your comments and views that you have towards TCM and share with the group. Attilio wrote: > > I don't need the 3 warning. Keep it a serious group and for your comment of " let's get back to serious discussion " I would say try Ilusion for foundation of this discussion. > I had enjoyed as I was around so thanks for everything, take me from this group before I get officially kick out. > ) > Vanessa > > > >> wrote: > Why can't we have some fun too. You need to understand that 90% of my post was about the story on the school director and his hidden agenda about TCM , type of material that we use all the time in the group. Why can't you handle on single 3 line fun material? Are you that sensitive or grown up?? > > Vanessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 Consider yourself thrown out. If you still get emails from the group just ignore them, they don't belong to you. If you really want out - then 'throw yourself out' by emailing the following and don't forget to reply to the confirmation prompt: Chinese Medicine- Have a nice day ;-) Sammy. monica shields [mhesters] 20 September 2003 15:37 Chinese Medicine Re: The Zen stick - second warning!! please do throw me out. i no longer wish to be a part of this group. thank you kindly, monica shields --- <attiliodalberto wrote: > I'm not gonna throw you out. I find it difficult > enough having > to 'tell people off' as everyone is not only older > than myself but > alot wiser. > > The job of moderator is often a blind one, things go > on behind the > group's eyes and i have to deal with them. If anyone > ever becomes > joint moderator then you'll see!!!!! > > Until then i hope you'll stay. I apprecitate your > comments and views > that you have towards TCM and share with the group. > > Attilio > > wrote: > > > > I don't need the 3 warning. Keep it a serious > group and for your > comment of " let's get back to serious discussion " I > would say try > Ilusion for foundation of this discussion. > > I had enjoyed as I was around so thanks for > everything, take me > from this group before I get officially kick out. > > ) > > Vanessa > > > > > > >> wrote: > > Why can't we have some fun too. You need to > understand that 90% of > my post was about the story on the school director > and his hidden > agenda about TCM , type of material that we use all > the time in the > group. Why can't you handle on single 3 line fun > material? Are you > that sensitive or grown up?? > > > > Vanessa > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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