The Zen stick came to life thanks to Emmanuel's deeds

September 18, 2003

Hello All,

we have a new tool for the correction of atitude or lack of it called the Zen

Stick weight around 15 pounds, 4 feet long, rough wood, full of magic and has

been used to bring up the best on us the servant of medicine . This tools is

used to hit across the area of the gluteus maximum and minimum if it is done

correctly, for the purpose of waiking the Zen in us.

So I like to thanks Emmanuel to bring this technique tool out of the closet as

he mention in his posting to Ken.

So lets the fun beggin I am last thanks.

Vanessa

>>

Emmanuel Segmen <susegmen wrote:

Hi Ken,

Go easy with the zen stick as I arise to the task of meditating on your own fine

texts (in English).

In gratitude,

Emmanuel Segmen

susegmen

>>

September 18, 2003

Can we please keep it to TCM rather than talk of butt spanking with

sticks and surfing. Thank you.

Kind regards,

Attilio

(moderator)

Chinese Medicine ,

wrote:

> Hello All,

> we have a new tool for the correction of atitude or lack of it

called the Zen Stick weight around 15 pounds, 4 feet long, rough

wood, full of magic and has been used to bring up the best on us the

servant of medicine . This tools is used to hit across the area of

the gluteus maximum and minimum if it is done correctly, for the

purpose of waiking the Zen in us.

> So I like to thanks Emmanuel to bring this technique tool out of

the closet as he mention in his posting to Ken.

> So lets the fun beggin I am last thanks.

> Vanessa

>

> >>

> Emmanuel Segmen <susegmen@i...> wrote:

> Hi Ken,

>

> Go easy with the zen stick as I arise to the task of meditating on

your own fine texts (in English).

> In gratitude,

> Emmanuel Segmen

> susegmen@i...

> >>

>

September 18, 2003

Ok, TCM Attilio: , the technique of butt spanking, (voluntarily accepted by

an adult in search of waking up I presume), is in this precise described

medically implemented technique done on GB meridian around GB30 (with a

wooden tool) .... am I right?

As far as I have heard and read, the GB is in " control of judgment and

decisions " the action needed to make planning meaningful , also connected to

initiative and courage... nourishment needed for the mind to hold on to the

decisions and carry them out.

so the technique is " waking us up " - to attentiveness, decision,

initiative, action and " fullfilment of decision and action "

not bad

Holger

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Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:20:42 -0000

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Can we please keep it to TCM rather than talk of butt spanking with

sticks and surfing. Thank you.

Kind regards,

Attilio

(moderator)

Chinese Medicine ,

wrote:

> Hello All,

> we have a new tool for the correction of atitude or lack of it

called the Zen Stick weight around 15 pounds, 4 feet long, rough

wood, full of magic and has been used to bring up the best on us the

servant of medicine . This tools is used to hit across the area of

the gluteus maximum and minimum if it is done correctly, for the

purpose of waiking the Zen in us.

> So I like to thanks Emmanuel to bring this technique tool out of

the closet as he mention in his posting to Ken.

> So lets the fun beggin I am last thanks.

> Vanessa

>

> >>

> Emmanuel Segmen <susegmen@i...> wrote:

> Hi Ken,

>

> Go easy with the zen stick as I arise to the task of meditating on

your own fine texts (in English).

> In gratitude,

> Emmanuel Segmen

> susegmen@i...

> >>

>

September 18, 2003

Hello Holger, that is a nice angle to see it.

I didn't mean in a bad way,is just a procedure to wake the Zen out in us, but if

the gluteus around GB 30 is to low or indecent, than we can go to the Yintang ot

across the GV 20. Either way will do the job.

Thanks for the support ,

Ok back to the real issues: What about short courses and the need to please the

MD's ?

Ops maybe lets not get there ).

I heard Zen Sticks are needed in the big associations and many schools of

acupuncture around the US.

Vanessa

<<

Holger Wendt <holger.wendt wrote:

Ok, TCM Attilio: , the technique of butt spanking, (voluntarily accepted by

an adult in search of waking up I presume), is in this precise described

medically implemented technique done on GB meridian around GB30 (with a

wooden tool) .... am I right?

As far as I have heard and read, the GB is in " control of judgment and

decisions " the action needed to make planning meaningful , also connected to

initiative and courage... nourishment needed for the mind to hold on to the

decisions and carry them out.

so the technique is " waking us up " - to attentiveness, decision,

initiative, action and " fullfilment of decision and action "

not bad

Holger

Från: " " <attiliodalberto

Svara till: Chinese Medicine

Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:20:42 -0000

Till: Chinese Medicine

Ämne: Re: The Zen stick came to life thanks to Emmanuel's deeds

Can we please keep it to TCM rather than talk of butt spanking with

sticks and surfing. Thank you.

Kind regards,

Attilio

(moderator)

Chinese Medicine ,

wrote:

> Hello All,

> we have a new tool for the correction of atitude or lack of it

called the Zen Stick weight around 15 pounds, 4 feet long, rough

wood, full of magic and has been used to bring up the best on us the

servant of medicine . This tools is used to hit across the area of

the gluteus maximum and minimum if it is done correctly, for the

purpose of waiking the Zen in us.

> So I like to thanks Emmanuel to bring this technique tool out of

the closet as he mention in his posting to Ken.

> So lets the fun beggin I am last thanks.

> Vanessa

>

> >>

> Emmanuel Segmen <susegmen@i...> wrote:

> Hi Ken,

>

> Go easy with the zen stick as I arise to the task of meditating on

your own fine texts (in English).

> In gratitude,

> Emmanuel Segmen

> susegmen@i...

> >>

>

September 18, 2003

he he he

you don't seem to be needing the stick on the but but rather prefer to hold

on to it's other end. I can imagine you going around in those schools......

When I choose to study ap and tcm I had a choice between that and doing

personal and organizational transformational development with a friend. (who

is by the way doing a great job) The choise of tcm/ap I dreaded at first as

it looked to me as having to go completely inside a box. Emerge in it. Being

fanatic about it for ahwile. And then suddenly I saw that that was just what

I had avoided for most of my life, putting myself in a particular frame or

box. Being labled. But I discovered that I needed that. So I choose that

conciously. and was fanatic for ahwile, like a child that discovers she can

walk. and discovered what a heuretic landscape it is. lot's of fascination

and fun

Ken's terms for a perspective on Qi: connectivity, communication, change and

movement are also great principles for learning and teaching.

Put that in the stick Vanessa

Holger

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> Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:58:14 -0700 (PDT)

> Till: Chinese Medicine

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>

> Hello Holger, that is a nice angle to see it.

>

> I didn't mean in a bad way,is just a procedure to wake the Zen out in us, but

> if the gluteus around GB 30 is to low or indecent, than we can go to the

> Yintang ot across the GV 20. Either way will do the job.

> Thanks for the support ,

> Ok back to the real issues: What about short courses and the need to please

> the MD's ?

> Ops maybe lets not get there ).

> I heard Zen Sticks are needed in the big associations and many schools of

> acupuncture around the US.

> Vanessa

>

> <<

> Holger Wendt <holger.wendt wrote:

> Ok, TCM Attilio: , the technique of butt spanking, (voluntarily accepted by

> an adult in search of waking up I presume), is in this precise described

> medically implemented technique done on GB meridian around GB30 (with a

> wooden tool) .... am I right?

>

> As far as I have heard and read, the GB is in " control of judgment and

> decisions " the action needed to make planning meaningful , also connected to

> initiative and courage... nourishment needed for the mind to hold on to the

> decisions and carry them out.

>

> so the technique is " waking us up " - to attentiveness, decision,

> initiative, action and " fullfilment of decision and action "

>

> not bad

>

> Holger

>

> Från: " " <attiliodalberto

> Svara till: Chinese Medicine

> Datum: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:20:42 -0000

> Till: Chinese Medicine

> Ämne: Re: The Zen stick came to life thanks to Emmanuel's deeds

>

> Can we please keep it to TCM rather than talk of butt spanking with

> sticks and surfing. Thank you.

>

> Kind regards,

>

> Attilio

> (moderator)

>

> Chinese Medicine ,

> wrote:

>> Hello All,

>> we have a new tool for the correction of atitude or lack of it

> called the Zen Stick weight around 15 pounds, 4 feet long, rough

> wood, full of magic and has been used to bring up the best on us the

> servant of medicine . This tools is used to hit across the area of

> the gluteus maximum and minimum if it is done correctly, for the

> purpose of waiking the Zen in us.

>> So I like to thanks Emmanuel to bring this technique tool out of

> the closet as he mention in his posting to Ken.

>> So lets the fun beggin I am last thanks.

>> Vanessa

>>

>>>>

>> Emmanuel Segmen <susegmen@i...> wrote:

>> Hi Ken,

>>

>> Go easy with the zen stick as I arise to the task of meditating on

> your own fine texts (in English).

>> In gratitude,

>> Emmanuel Segmen

>> susegmen@i...

>>>>

>>

September 18, 2003

Hello Holger is to bad that we maybe starting a new tread but with the subject

Zen Stick funnyyyyyyyyyy and I don't think Emmanuel knows yet that his name is

all over the world now with the his Zen Stick is out of the closet completly.

He might be still on peejamas ) I just like to make a comment that this Zen

Stick has been used by our ancestors as Apes to awake the Zen out of the

channels or either in the GB 30 region of choices for the GB20 or Yintang as you

wish.

One time I was offer a job in a acupuncture school and I thought I will check it

maybe is a good thing to do( open the doors and windows for students).

I had my first meeting with the director of the school. He told me straight,:

don't talk much about qi, go into more about neurological foundation within the

acupuncture stimulation and don't talk about japanese acupuncture.( I will not

mention the name of the school or any names)

I ask why not talk about the energetic essence behind the Total process in

acupuncture , he said I don't beleive in the existance of energy as in channels,

it is all about the neurological pathways behind the results.

I told him right there: How can you have a school of acupuncture and delete or

hide the fact energy behind this wonderful medicine? If the people on the top

don't believe in existance of the qi, than how can the students here become real

acupuncturists?

He told me that I was not the right person for that school )

I saw the director of the school years latter( the same person I talked in the

meeting), in a physiotherapy clinic having ultra sound for his back problems. I

ask him there: Why don't you try acupuncture ? He gave me a dead smile. He is a

fake and was the director and teacher of an acupuncture school.

I am not saying this fact is a general one, but hurts me to know that many in

the field of TCM classic or not, doesn't really believe or want to try to go

away from the QI FACT.

Do you know what I mean?

I would be pleased to use the Zen Stick on those people to just wake the Zen out

of them wherever is their brains located GV20 or GB 30 they choose ))))

I hope Atilion will not kick me out of the room ) is Emmanuels fault in bring

the Zen Stick out of the closet )))