MD friend of mine 's question about pulse

[Guest guest]

An MD friend of mine from the neuroscience field of medicine ask me the

following question by email and I am passing it around to see you guys response

to it.

 

" When in chinese medicine you examine the pulse after you put needles in, you

can detect changes in the pulses as they happen.

 

Is this feeback report coming from a neurological or circulatory pathway

connection ?

 

If the pulse is a biofeedback information response through the circulation

pathway, how than you can get different pulse qualities, strenght within the

same area (Cun Guan CHi) ??

 

So what do you think.

 

Vanessa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

To confirm your friend's speculations about vessel (pulse) diagnosis, it would

take a

body of research to confirm, which, as far as I know as yet doesn't exist. So

one

cannot say with authority that there would be an either/or

neurological/circulatory

pathway connection.

 

As you've pointed out, the differentiation of pulses by position (cun, guan,

chi) and

depth (heaven, human, earth), along with qualities does not, at the present

time,

translate into physiological truisms we can rely on. This doesn't render the

use of

vessel diagnosis for millenia obsolete in any way. It has been used as an

accurate

indicator of disease patterns throughout the entire history of Chinese medicine.

 

I rely on one of the core principles of Chinese medicine, zang xiang/visceral

manifestation, first mentioned in the Nei Jing. The term means that internal

processes in the viscera, bowels, blood/qi/fluids can be viewed and determined

from

the outside, by examining and palpating the vessels and observing the outer

appearance (color, texture, odor, sound, etc.).

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine ,

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following

question by email and I am passing it around to see you guys response to it.

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> " When in chinese medicine you examine the pulse after you put needles in, you

can detect changes in the pulses as they happen.

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> Is this feeback report coming from a neurological or circulatory pathway

connection

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> If the pulse is a biofeedback information response through the circulation

pathway,

how than you can get different pulse qualities, strenght within the same area

(Cun

Guan CHi) ??

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> So what do you think.

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> Vanessa

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[Guest guest]

Hello Z'ev thanks for the response.

 

He is a brain surgeon , but he is very curious on some of the diagnostic

procedure within chinese medicine.

 

He said we can exchange tratments I give him acupuncture and he gives me brain

surgery

 

 

 

 

 

Vanessa

 

>>Z'ev wrote it:

 

 

I rely on one of the core principles of Chinese medicine, zang xiang/visceral

manifestation, first mentioned in the Nei Jing. The term means that internal

processes in the viscera, bowels, blood/qi/fluids can be viewed and determined

from

the outside, by examining and palpating the vessels and observing the outer

appearance (color, texture, odor, sound, etc.).

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine ,

wrote:

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> An MD friend of mine from the neuroscience field of medicine ask me the

following

question by email and I am passing it around to see you guys response to it.

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> " When in chinese medicine you examine the pulse after you put needles in, you

can detect changes in the pulses as they happen.

>

> Is this feeback report coming from a neurological or circulatory pathway

connection

?

>

> If the pulse is a biofeedback information response through the circulation

pathway,

how than you can get different pulse qualities, strenght within the same area

(Cun

Guan CHi) ??

>

> So what do you think.

>

> Vanessa

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[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , Vanessa wrote:

> [An MD friend asked:] If the pulse is a biofeedback information

response through the circulation pathway, how than you can get

different pulse qualities, strenght within the same area (Cun Guan

CHi) ??

>

> So what do you think.>>>

 

 

Vanessa:

 

Obviously the feedback information is not limited soley to the

behavior pf the circulation pathway---qi is also involved. I can

show him many types of pulses which break that Western expectation---

even on his own patients. There are pulse movements that reverse and

move at 90 degrees to the expected flow of the artery; and do many

other odd and wonderful things.

 

In Complexity Theory this process is called emergence, a behavior of

a system that can't be predicted from the components of the system.

Similarly, ideas, feelings, and identity can't be predicted from the

chemical/electrical soup he calls the brain.

 

Both you and he face the same mystery from different perspectives.

 

 

Jim Ramholz