FYI - Felix man's & illusion

September 16, 2003

Dear Vanessa,

I've been following this debate with interest, and just thought I'd share an

experience I had a few years ago.

I had chronic M.E., which made me bedridden for two years 17-19. My parents

took me for Acupuncture with Felix Mann, who put one needle in Liv 3 and one

in Sp 3, and told my parent that if this didn't work, I would not be a

candidate for acupuncture.

Of course, there was no discernible change in my condition, but fortunately

my parents didn't stop there, and I went on to have more acupuncture from a

different practitioner, which helped immensely.

This experience incensed me, and I resolved to find out for myself. I am

now an Acupuncturist/Herbalist at 25, and upon reflection, I realised what

was missing in Felix's treatment.

He didn't believe in Qi.

He didn't believe in what he couldn't see, and therefore, he couldn't treat

it.

He couldn't treat it because he was fixated on the idea that each point was

like a button you pressed which was supposed to have an immediate and

isolated effect on the body.

He didn't believe in what he practiced, therefore each treatment was a

negative self-fulfilling prophecy.

Whereas, we as TCM/Five Element/Complementary/Alternative Practitioners

(whatever name we call ourselves) know that we treat a complex trail of

energy which crosses and crosses again over the body tangling itself in

complex and unique pathology, and that it takes a skilled diagnosis, an

understanding of the movement of this invisible energy, and finally an

intricate point combination in order to change the root and the branch, the

ben and biao of the body.

Naava.

> <vbirang

>Chinese Medicine

>Re: Felix man's latest book states acupuncture to be

>largely an ilusion

>Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:35:40 -0700 (PDT)

>

> >Sharon wrote it:

> >

> > Finally why do you need faith in the teacher? What

> > happens when one doesn't have faith or loses one's

> > faith?

> > Sharon

>

>hello Sharon I am eternally thankfull to my teachers

>for the insight and the door openings that they taught

>me. I am thanfull for them to have accepted me as

>their student.

>I am not saying this as a cheap poetic statement, it

>is a reality experienced by many around the world.

>Many of us are affraid to have a teacher where you

>give your faith to it, Offcourse I am not talking of

>any teacher.

>If the teacher is real and he is within this

>understanding he can pass it to you. He can make it

>easier to enter the knowledge. There is an immense

>amount of people that have a great memory bank and

>they recite the TCM theories , old books statements,

>but in the end is just as blind as it can be.

>It is an invisible world( Energetic), so we need an

>special way to enter and way to stay there.

>I forgot to say that my tibetan teahcer was a master

>on gigong and many things that I saw or experience in

>that energetic system could not be appreciated by

>many, because our logical so-called intellectual mind

>is in the way and the experiences would only accepted

>as part of believe.

>But when you meet a good master in qigong you will

>know that he can enter a special dimension which TCM

>has many things in commom.

>So respect to a good teacher is important.

>It is amazing what a bonafide teacher can do for a

>good sincere by heart student. I saw many times.

>Vanessa

>

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September 16, 2003

I agree totally.

Vanessa

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