Guest guest Posted September 14, 2003 Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 Dear Vanessa and list, How can I get English language information of Van Nghi? I have heard on the internet quite a bit of this person and his colleague whom is also French Vietnamese but the name (I forgot, sorry) I thus far been unable to find any articles written by Van Nghi and his colleague do they have any English language books or other media material? Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2003 Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 Or spanish... - Marco Chinese Medicine Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:10 AM Re: VAn Nghi Dear Vanessa and list, How can I get English language information of Van Nghi? I have heard on the internet quite a bit of this person and his colleague whom is also French Vietnamese but the name (I forgot, sorry) I thus far been unable to find any articles written by Van Nghi and his colleague do they have any English language books or other media material? Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2003 Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 Dear Fernando, Yes, Tran Vet is the person I am thinking of... was not Yves Requina also a student of the Van and Tran? thanks for the address will check it out... Marco Marco, Check out " http://www.jungtao.edu/ " Sean Marshall and staff have been translating Van Nghi's work from French to English for some time now. Are you thinking of Tran Viet Dzung? Buena Suerte! ~Fernando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2003 Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 Marco, Check out " http://www.jungtao.edu/ " Sean Marshall and staff have been translating Van Nghi's work from French to English for some time now. Are you thinking of Tran Viet Dzung? Buena Suerte! ~Fernando Chinese Medicine , " Marco " <bergh@i...> wrote: > Or spanish... > - > Marco > Chinese Medicine > Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:10 AM > Re: VAn Nghi > > > Dear Vanessa and list, > > > How can I get English language information of Van Nghi? > > I have heard on the internet quite a bit of this person and his colleague whom is also French Vietnamese but the name (I forgot, sorry) > > I thus far been unable to find any articles written by Van Nghi and his colleague do they have any English language books or other media material? > > Marco > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2003 Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 " Marco " <bergh@i...> wrote: > How can I get English language information of Van Nghi? The translation of the Van Nghi's Ling Shu is to be published in " early 2004 " . Source: vannghi.net (http://www.vannghi.net/forum/ikonboard.cgi? s=3f6471772db5ffff;act=ST;f=1;t=46) Regards Alwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2003 Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 You can find allot of information about him and his work in the net, books etc.... Vanessa >> --- Marco <bergh wrote: > Dear Vanessa and list, > > > How can I get English language information of Van > Nghi? > > I have heard on the internet quite a bit of this > person and his colleague whom is also French > Vietnamese but the name (I forgot, sorry) > > I thus far been unable to find any articles written > by Van Nghi and his colleague do they have any > English language books or other media material? > > Marco > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2003 Report Share Posted September 14, 2003 Hi have looked and actualy not find that much information but thanks anyway... Marco You can find allot of information about him and his work in the net, books etc.... Vanessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 I've been down the same road with respect to Van Nghi's work, so maybe I can be of some help. Information about Van Nghi's system on the web is somewhat sparse. The following link gives some background information: http://vannghi.net/collection.html With respect to his written work, almost all of it is written in French. The English verision of his translation of the Ling Shu (with his commentary on the work's passages), which another forum member has stated will be due out in the Spring of 2004, has been due to come out for the past year and a half. I am starting to wonder if I should just learn French and save myself the trouble of waiting for the English translations - as valuable as they will undoubtedly be. The Jung Tao School of Acupuncture has a series of three video collections based on lectures by Van Nghi and Tran Viet Dzung in the late 1990's. I've seen two of these and they are well worth the expense, in my opinion. I haven't purchased any of their text materials, but they look very interesting (in particular Sean Marshall's dissertation on gynecologicial issues, which may or may not be based upon his understanding of Van Nghi's approach to acupuncture). Information about Van Nghi's system can be found in John Pirog's " Meridian Style Acupuncture. " Joseph Helms' " Acupuncture Energetics " is largely based on Van Nghi's system. Both books are excellent but also quite expensive. Tran Viet Dzung lectures frequently and a search on the web will turn up some audiotapes of a few of his lectures. I believe, (but could be mistaken) that much of the material that was taught at the Occidental Institute of Chinese Studies in Montreal during the 1970's was influenced by Van Nghi's approach. See http://www.oirf.com/refmat/oics.html for information about their training materials. (I would be interested in learning whether this is, in fact, the case - so if anyone on the forum attended the OICS, then I would appreciate some feedback.) Finally, " Rheumatology in , " by Guillaume and Chieu, is an excellent reference for those interested in learning more about the French Meridian-style approach to acupuncture - although it is not a book about Van Nghi's style per se. As stated by one commentator about Van Nghi: there is nothing particularly " French " (or Vietnamese, for that matter) about his style of acupuncture. He developed his own, ideosyncratric approach, based upon a lifelong study of the Chinese classics. Best, Steve Lamade Stephen G. Lamade > " Marco " <bergh >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >Re: VAn Nghi >Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:30:18 -0500 > >Hi have looked and actualy not find that much information but thanks >anyway... > >Marco > > > >You can find allot of information about him and his >work in the net, books etc.... >Vanessa > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 Information about Van Nghi's system can be found in John Pirog's " Meridian Style Acupuncture. " Joseph Helms' " Acupuncture Energetics " is largely based on Van Nghi's system. >>>And we should point out that many of our chinese reading public and sticklers have strongly criticized many of his interpretation as so called " make stuff up. " Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 Hi Alon, One of TCM teachers is highly critical of some of these stuff ups, he even wrote to the French ap ass to pt out the errors! Amongst other stuff ups he hated were the Window to the Sky points; he published an article " Curtains for Widows to the Sky " ; he says that this was made up stuff from CA, although of course Deadman covers them in his book. There is another stuff up with Maciocia about the nature of qi in the extra vessels, I think he says / implies that there is limited qi and therefore it will run out if extra pts are used too often, which according to others is just not the nature of the qi in the extra vessels. Then of course there is Van Burrens work where there are no sources even sighted for the work.... Have you heard the one about the Abbott who was asked if the monks ever stuffed up when copying the holy books...The Abbott said " No, my son we don't make errors. " The Abbott left, headed for the safe to the master copy to find that the word was not " celebrant " it was " celebrate " .... opps ..... hope the humour makes it intact through the air ways and the cultures! cheers Sharon - Alon Marcus Chinese Medicine Monday, September 15, 2003 12:24 PM Re: Van Nghi Information about Van Nghi's system can be found in John Pirog's " Meridian Style Acupuncture. " Joseph Helms' " Acupuncture Energetics " is largely based on Van Nghi's system. >>>And we should point out that many of our chinese reading public and sticklers have strongly criticized many of his interpretation as so called " make stuff up. " Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 I have some tapes i made of one of Dr Van Ghi's first 2 day US lectures Doc True security must be rooted in true and complete social, economic and environmental justice for everyone everywhere with no exceptions. Anything else is an illusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 The Abbott left, headed for the safe to the master copy to find that the word was not " celebrant " it was " celebrate " .... opps ..... hope the humour makes it intact through the air ways and the cultures! >>>>> I like it Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 There is another stuff up with Maciocia about the nature of qi in the extra vessels, I think he says / implies that there is limited qi and therefore it will run out if extra pts are used too often, which according to others is just not the nature of the qi in the extra vessels. >>>>>At the same time i remember by teacher in china taking about a line from shang han and covering some 15 interpretation on the line, then saying they are all wrong it should understood like this... So we do need to keep our ears open but at the same time evaluate all for our self's don't we Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 Hi Alon, We do need to keep our eyes open, and our hearts. If theories help us find our way; or help us to explain where we came; then I suppose them not to be right or wrong but to be useful or not useful. Sharon - Alon Marcus Chinese Medicine Monday, September 15, 2003 4:34 PM Re: Van Nghi There is another stuff up with Maciocia about the nature of qi in the extra vessels, I think he says / implies that there is limited qi and therefore it will run out if extra pts are used too often, which according to others is just not the nature of the qi in the extra vessels. >>>>>At the same time i remember by teacher in china taking about a line from shang han and covering some 15 interpretation on the line, then saying they are all wrong it should understood like this... So we do need to keep our ears open but at the same time evaluate all for our self's don't we Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 We do need to keep our eyes open, and our hearts. If theories help us find our way; or help us to explain where we came; then I suppose them not to be right or wrong but to be useful or not useful. >>>I agree. I for one never had any trouble with the fact that there is so much contradictory information in CM.I have always viewed CM as a non lab kind of science. That was/is the only way I am able to attempt to understand CM with the many twists and terns. If I would have tried to make a unified sense out of CM I would have given up long ago.That is also why I have been speaking about the limitation of " TCM " for many years, a modern attempt to due just that. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 dear alon, its great to have your views & i love reading all the diverse points of view. one of the things that i have realised after over 20 years in the profession is that the theories are very correct. we seem to have a part view or understanding of each of the bits & pieces. only when we contemplate & understand all the theory do we come up with the real truth which is that the theory of TCM applies in every case. TCM has the flexibility to permit lattitude to think & apply. its like saying something is far. then it permits one to look at something a mile away 10 miles away & a few 1000 miles away. but if one were to locate something at 100 miles then we would have one & only one standpoint. this i believe is the beauty of if one cares to understand it fully. theory is always based on the practise as the person outlining the theory has found it to be. so the theories will differ alittle bit & the theory also explains the diversity & ned of the time at that point in time. we do need to understand all this thoroughly before one can develop the full understanding of tcm. maybe this will help msake the point. anand --- ALON MARCUS <alonmarcus wrote: > We do need to keep our eyes open, and our hearts. > If theories help us find our way; or help us to > explain where we came; then I suppose them not to be > right or wrong but to be useful or not useful. > >>>I agree. I for one never had any trouble with the > fact that there is so much contradictory information > in CM.I have always viewed CM as a non lab kind of > science. That was/is the only way I am able to > attempt to understand CM with the many twists and > terns. If I would have tried to make a unified sense > out of CM I would have given up long ago.That is > also why I have been speaking about the limitation > of " TCM " for many years, a modern attempt to due > just that. > Alon > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== Anand Bapat Pain Management Specialist Sports Injury Specialist Blacktown, Parramatta, Punchbowl, & Hammondville 0402 472 897 ______________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://mail.messenger..co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 theory is always based on the practise as the person outlining the theory has found it to be. >>>>This however is were some of what unschuld is interesting because he claims that some of the " medical " theory had nothing to do with medicine, it was just superimposed onto medicine. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Mon, 1 Jan 2007 08:45:45 –0800, " " <johnkokko wrote: >>… The Nguyen Van Nghi group is also in the process of translating several classics… Thanks for the lead. Any further translations help in the process of triangulating among them to get a better sense of what's really, maybe, there in the classics. (Tom) as you may well be aware of, Nguyen Van Nghi has written many more books in French. Satas.com carries 21 books authored or co-authored by him. Recent Activity 10New Members 2New Links Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 There are two translated volumes of Ling Shu of Van Nghi's available from the Jung Dao school, a third on the way. The quality is better than most others out there on the market, although there is still much to be desired. The diagrams are quite helpful. On Jan 1, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Tom Verhaeghe wrote: > > Thanks for the lead. Any further translations help in the process of > triangulating among them to get a better sense of what's really, > maybe, there in the classics. > > (Tom) as you may well be aware of, Nguyen Van Nghi has written many > more > books in French. Satas.com carries 21 books authored or co-authored > by him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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